The biggest Obama lie of all cannot be denied

I have my kids on private plans. Their plans are grandfathered in, so they will be able to keep them.

So what you're saying is, as long as your children get to keep their plan, "fuck everybody else"?

No, but you are trying to make it out as if nobody will be able to keep their current plan when in fact most will. It is true that some employers may be forced to switch to cheaper plans due to the cadillac tax, but the fact is that employers have an option of compensating those employees with better pay if they must reduce their benefits. Nothing in this world is absolutely perfect, and it never will be, but sometimes we need to try to make things better. This is what is happening with the ACA. The best thing about it is that once we know what works well in the ACA and what does not, then positive changes can be made. I happen to prefer that method over just going back to what we had which was a system that allowed insurance companies to drop policy holders whenever they felt the cost was too high.

It's stupid to tax the so-called Cadillac plan. Why are people being punished for choosing to spend more money on a good insurance plan? Government should stay out of it and stop making things difficult.

There will be the same number of uninsured now that there were before, so Obamacare changes nothing in that regard despite that supposedly being the reason for doing this in the first place. Obamacare also punishes charitable hospitals who treat the poor for free. They'll have to stop doing that or face huge fines.

There is little good that will come out of Obamacare, which is why congress and the IRS will be exempt. How can anyone say it's a good thing when those who know it better than anyone want nothing to do with it?

Obama promised time and time again that people would get to keep what they have. He said that knowing full well that companies would lay off people and end their current insurance. He claimed costs would be lower and they are rising. He claimed it would help those uninsured people who couldn't afford it. The same number will still be in the same boat and the poor will pay more taxes now. Out of the 29 new taxes in Obamacare, 12 will apply to everyone.

Whether or not you like it, the government will have real time access to your bank account. That alone gives me the creeps.

The purpose of this was to transfer more power from the people to the government, impose new taxes and take a step toward socialism. Reid already admitted that it's just a step toward single payer. It's a mess on purpose and they know it's a disaster, as written. They don't care that it will make our lives more difficult until they can convince enough people that they need to go further and just socialize the healthcare system altogether. Once a government controls healthcare, they control everything. And, yes, the government bureaucrats will have a lot of say in who lives or dies. People over 75 are likely to be denied expensive surgeries and treatments. If bureaucrats get to decide what procedures you can have and government sets the costs of those procedures too high, it's fair to say they are death panels.

The government bureaucrats can easily see which party people are registered as and they can see exactly how much money we have in the bank at any given time since they'll have access. They will know our entire medical history. Considering how government agencies have been misused by dictators in the past and the fact that human nature is what it is, you can see the potential for eliminating dissenters simply by having the power to grant or deny lifesaving treatment.

I just plain do not trust government, especially not the Obama administration. It's a nightmare to think they are involved in any way in my health care and will have real time access to my money. I've seen how stupid government is when they are in charge of safekeeping the money they steal from us. What will these idiots do if they have the ability to transfer money from our accounts to supposedly pay for medical treatment? Will they deny procedures if they check our accounts and see that we don't have enough to cover it? If they see someone has plenty of money, will the cost of the procedures increase? If an illegal alien uses someone else's identity to get treatment, will the person will on the hook? Good luck getting that straightened out.

Seriously, the way it's set up, it's ripe for fraud, waste and serious abuse.
 

Nothing like Conservative Propaganda to get you all ginned up.

Funny, rates have gone down in California and New York.

So, you fail.

They've gone up in Ohio and Illinois, you lose kid.

Not sure if they are going up in Ohio. We won't know until we actually see the rates and what the plans cover. In Ohio, insurance companies offered many plans that were basically major medical catastrophic type plans that are very cheap. This brought the average cost way down, so I'm not certain rates will increase any when comparing similar plans.
 
I never said that there weren't protests over the film ELSEWHERE. There were. Your problem is that video tapes from that evening showed no "protest" of any kind took place in Benghazi before a well coordinated attack by a large force of men armed with assault weapons and rocket propelled grenades...a fact that the Obama Administration would have known that night. The Obama folks decided to blame Benghazi on something they KNEW never took place...and they did so strictly for political reasons.

So did you want to take a crack at explaining why Obama let Susan Rice go out on those talk shows a week later and give a version of events that he KNEW was incorrect? Or explain why he let Jay Carney make his statement that only one word was changed from the original CIA talking points? Obama knew that was a lie as well...yet there was his Press Secretary standing in front of the Press Corps and saying just that.

What about Wanis al-Sharef, a Libyan Interior Ministry official?

LOL...you want NOTHING to do with explaining why Obama let Rice and Carney deceive the American people, do you? Can't say as I blame you...I wouldn't want to even try...

There was no deception. Rice, the State Dept and the White House were going on the best available 'intel' at the time. And any logical and intelligent person would highly suspect that the protests they were seeing in Cairo OVER THE FILM, that preceded the Benghazi attacks and the protests OVER THE FILM that occurred in over 20 countries were related and fueled by the same cause.
 
One hilarious fact about right wingers and health care. Most don't have any. They are only screaming because they hate Obama.

I can hear them now, "How dare that black bastard take away health care I never had to begin with".

It's like so many of them believing they are "millionaires" but without funds. But one day, that ship will come in.

Where is your fact that "MOST don't have any healthcare?"

Here is a FACT from your beloved Politifact.org , Pulitzer prize winning FACT FINDER!!

According to PolitiFact.org nearly 332 million people are covered!

"Employers provide most of the insurance in this country.
About 60 percent of everyone under 65 is covered through either a large-group or small-group plan, according to the Employee Benefits Research Institute, an independent think tank.

About 22 percent of people under 65 are with a government program, either Medicaid or a children’s program, S-CHIP.

The individual market represents the smallest slice of people with insurance, about 7%."

add:
"About 60 percent under 65 is covered....a large-group or small-group
About 22 percent of people under 65 are with a government program,
about 7 percent....individual market...."
PolitiFact | AFP ad says premiums will rise under Obamacare

The above adds up 89%.
Is 89% of 316 million people 281.2 million?

The above again is EVERYONE except over 65.

Medicare states in the below on Page 8..
"In 2011, Medicare covered 40.4 million aged 65
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...eports/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2012.pdf

Add 89% of USA population or 281.2 million to the 40.4 million on Medicare over age 65 the number:-- 321.6 million covered by the paper's 89% and Medicare's 40.4 million.

so where is the 46 million Obama said are uninsured???
 
One hilarious fact about right wingers and health care. Most don't have any. They are only screaming because they hate Obama.

I can hear them now, "How dare that black bastard take away health care I never had to begin with".

It's like so many of them believing they are "millionaires" but without funds. But one day, that ship will come in.

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Gotta be honest with ya', Billy...trotting out the whole "Republicans lie" thing is getting to be a little amusing at this point, considering the Obama White House's total inability to TELL the truth. I mean...that might have worked before Barry GOT in the Oval Office...but since he's been there it borders on farce.

denying that the republicans haven't lied is a bigger farce ... in my opinion... so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... there has been plenty accusations, that's for sure ... but nobody has ever proved that he lied about Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about ... they just make unsubstantiated accusation ... to rile their base ... that's what I've seen


Damn..you should get over the Obama euphoria, it's like you Rip Van Winkled the past 6 years....:lol:

If you're not interested in the truth about "Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about" I don't blame you, although, Obama is ridiculously insulated.

The current trend is 73% believe the country is moving in the wrong direction and Obama is the figure head for blame, deal with it..hell, you probably voted for it...enjoy the ride.

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Twenty-seven percent (27%) of Likely U.S. Voters say the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken the week ending Sunday, August 4.

Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports?

typical delusional repub-lie-tard rants and raves about things he hasn't any proof too .... when obama released all the communication to all the things he has been accused of, it has shown he had nothing to do with it and its slowly petering out ... just like I said all morons like you have is accusations with no actual proof ... you clain there is proof all kinds of proof, but when held up to the light of day, they fall by the waste side ... so wheres your proof or are you all mouth ... typical lying repub-lie-tard no proof at all
 
Gotta be honest with ya', Billy...trotting out the whole "Republicans lie" thing is getting to be a little amusing at this point, considering the Obama White House's total inability to TELL the truth. I mean...that might have worked before Barry GOT in the Oval Office...but since he's been there it borders on farce.

denying that the republicans haven't lied is a bigger farce ... in my opinion... so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... there has been plenty accusations, that's for sure ... but nobody has ever proved that he lied about Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about ... they just make unsubstantiated accusation ... to rile their base ... that's what I've seen

Well I must admit to one kernel of truth in what you say: "so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... ."

I doubt anyone could ever prove it to you.

Here is a real simple on that can not be denied. Is it important, no, but was it a lie, certainly.

Shortly into his Presidency Obama gave an interview where Obama said that if he hasn’t solved the nations economic problems within three years it’s going to be a one term Presidency.

Obama said, “If I don’t have this done in three years, then this is going to be a one‑term proposition.”

I guess maybe this one isn't a lie, he just expected the American people to be smarter.

OK, how about this one: He promised YOU that he would not run for president in 2004, he lacked the experience and he was correct. But we all know what he actually did.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4yCwqtuv5Q]Obama says he's not ready to be President - YouTube[/ame]

Little non-meaningful lies, maybe but lies none the less.
this is what cracks me up about you lying repub-lie-tards you take a statement totally out of context then say see he lied... what obama was talking about was if he hasn’t solved the nations economic problems he will be voted out of office ..., thats what he was talking about you dunce... lucky for him romney ran for office ... still waiting for that allege lie he has told
 
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The truth is...this was never about "fixing" health care...ObamaCare was ALWAYS about taking the first giant step towards government run health care. If it had REALLY been about fixing costs they would have had legislation in there to allow you to buy across State lines and legislation dealing with tort reform.
they would have to make the heath care, across state lines, use the same rules and regulations you have in your state ... the health care across state lines would have to respond to your challenge to a charge or a denial in your state ... other wise you would end up having to go to what ever state you chose to use, to challenge their denial ... that would be very costly to you or the person involved to the challenge or denial ... that's one of the main reason getting health care across state lines is a bad Idea

Complete and total nonsense... As with ALL businesses, those choosing to do business in ANY state are subject to the laws of that state. So there would be ZERO conflicts, ZERO costs, ZERO issues (beyond what already exists).

its not nonsense .... so if a states say fuck you were not going to abide by your states health care laws laws then what??? you chose a out a state carrier ... they tell you denied .... then what you have to go to that state under that stats laws and challenge them at your expense how is that better for you .... you're assuming that all state will abide by each and ever states health care laws ... sorry pal it doesn't work that way....
 
Gotta be honest with ya', Billy...trotting out the whole "Republicans lie" thing is getting to be a little amusing at this point, considering the Obama White House's total inability to TELL the truth. I mean...that might have worked before Barry GOT in the Oval Office...but since he's been there it borders on farce.

denying that the republicans haven't lied is a bigger farce ... in my opinion... so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... there has been plenty accusations, that's for sure ... but nobody has ever proved that he lied about Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about ... they just make unsubstantiated accusation ... to rile their base ... that's what I've seen

Wait, Wait, Wait... did you seriously just say "nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told"?!? :lmao:

Considering the first post which started this thread PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama lied over and over and over, your post here now has the distinct "honor" of being the most absurd, partisan-hack post in USMB history.

How's Obama's cock taste Billy? You clearly LOVE having that thing buried in the back of your throat... :eusa_whistle:

and yet dick breath you have no proof ... the video isn't proof of any kind ... still waiting for a lie he told
 
Gotta be honest with ya', Billy...trotting out the whole "Republicans lie" thing is getting to be a little amusing at this point, considering the Obama White House's total inability to TELL the truth. I mean...that might have worked before Barry GOT in the Oval Office...but since he's been there it borders on farce.

denying that the republicans haven't lied is a bigger farce ... in my opinion... so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... there has been plenty accusations, that's for sure ... but nobody has ever proved that he lied about Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about ... they just make unsubstantiated accusation ... to rile their base ... that's what I've seen

Yyyyyyeah.... nothing to see here folks! Move along! These are not the droids you are looking for... :eusa_whistle:

[ame=http://youtu.be/wfl55GgHr5E]"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." - Barack Obama - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://youtu.be/NTRy0uTuv0M]Obama promises transparency - YouTube[/ame]

Seriously folks - only a Dumbocrat could see indisputable evidence of Obama on VIDEO lying and make the outrageous & absurd claim that there is no "proof" that Obama has lied :banghead:
when you have some actual proof and not some edited video, we will take you serious ... still waiting for that so-called lie he told ... next!!!!!
 
Gotta be honest with ya', Billy...trotting out the whole "Republicans lie" thing is getting to be a little amusing at this point, considering the Obama White House's total inability to TELL the truth. I mean...that might have worked before Barry GOT in the Oval Office...but since he's been there it borders on farce.

denying that the republicans haven't lied is a bigger farce ... in my opinion... so far what I've seen is nobody on the right has been able to prove any so-called lies that Obama has told... there has been plenty accusations, that's for sure ... but nobody has ever proved that he lied about Benghazi, the IRS, fast and furious, or any of the so called BS things that republicans rant about ... they just make unsubstantiated accusation ... to rile their base ... that's what I've seen

Yyyyyyeah.... nothing to see here folks! Move along! These are not the droids you are looking for... :eusa_whistle:

[ame=http://youtu.be/wfl55GgHr5E]"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." - Barack Obama - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://youtu.be/NTRy0uTuv0M]Obama promises transparency - YouTube[/ame]

Seriously folks - only a Dumbocrat could see indisputable evidence of Obama on VIDEO lying and make the outrageous & absurd claim that there is no "proof" that Obama has lied :banghead:

don't ys just love it they type indisputable evidence of Obama on VIDEO lying and call it factual .... I just love it .... watch this one lose their mind its all been edited indisputable evidence of Obama on VIDEO lying I just loving it .... how's that ring in your nose doing ???? hey they do have breath mints for the dick breath you have
 
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The Dems know that Obama-care is a ticking time bomb.

They want it to fail.

That way they can take the next step to Single provider, the Government.

SO thats why in new york and california and the states that took the sign up to obama care their cost has dropped because of this ticking time bomb you speak of ...
 
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Nothing like Conservative Propaganda to get you all ginned up.

Funny, rates have gone down in California and New York.

So, you fail.

Not true

-Geaux

really so wheres the beef ???? tell us that the healh care cost hasn't almost cut in half in cost ... we love to see your proof ... really !!!!show us the proof ... that its not true ....you haven't any proof !!!! thats what rush told you to say!!!!! figures .....
 
So what you're saying is, as long as your children get to keep their plan, "fuck everybody else"?

No, but you are trying to make it out as if nobody will be able to keep their current plan when in fact most will. It is true that some employers may be forced to switch to cheaper plans due to the cadillac tax, but the fact is that employers have an option of compensating those employees with better pay if they must reduce their benefits. Nothing in this world is absolutely perfect, and it never will be, but sometimes we need to try to make things better. This is what is happening with the ACA. The best thing about it is that once we know what works well in the ACA and what does not, then positive changes can be made. I happen to prefer that method over just going back to what we had which was a system that allowed insurance companies to drop policy holders whenever they felt the cost was too high.

So in essence what you're saying is that ObamaCare is a disaster but once we figure out WHY it's a disaster...we can fix it? With all due respect, Auditor? We could have passed legislation that would have made it illegal for insurance companies to drop people at their whim. Are we going trillions in debt just for that? If so THAT'S IDIOTIC!!!

no he didn't say that you did .... just because you couldn't comprehend what he was saying in essence ....
 
the biggest OsamaObama lies of all time cannot be denied or refuted by anyone, even the most radical libertards on this forum :up:

Make Government Open and Transparent :lmao:

Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects :lmao:

Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out) :lmao:

No more secrecy :lmao:

Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill :lmao:

You’ll know what’s in it (Republican Senators didn’t know) :lmao:

We will put every pork barrel project online :lmao:
 
Nothing like Conservative Propaganda to get you all ginned up.

Funny, rates have gone down in California and New York.

So, you fail.

Not true

-Geaux

REALLY???

2009 PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'


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2010 PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

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yes ... really !!!
 
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the biggest OsamaObama lies of all time cannot be denied or refuted by anyone, even the most radical libertards on this forum :up:

Make Government Open and Transparent :lmao:

Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects :lmao:

Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out) :lmao:

No more secrecy :lmao:

Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill :lmao:

You’ll know what’s in it (Republican Senators didn’t know) :lmao:

We will put every pork barrel project online :lmao:

Back peddling and stuttering bunch of fools. It's sad they even try to defend black and white lies. "Well GITMO is 3/4 closed". :lmao:

I still wanna hear why people are being forced to have insurance.
Did Obama think that this was going to cause a workers revolution of people demanding that private companies give them a 40 hour work week with full bennies ?
Allowing ANYONE to opt out of Obamacare is HORSESHIT. Do people understand what kind of benefits and pensions that Congress has ? I bet they don't cuz they would be pissed.
 

it wasn't design to fail.... it was the beginnings to lead us to single payer ... the fact that when it comes into full play, the majority of the people will like it so much that they will sign in to law single payer ... the idea that you feel that obamacare-was-designed-fail is noting more the right wing talking points not harry Reids
 
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it wasn't design to fail.... it was the beginnings to lead us to single payer ... the fact that when it comes imnto full play the majority of the people will like it so much that they will sign in to law single payer ... the idea that you feel that obamacare-was-designed-fail is noting more the right wing talking points not harry Reids

It designed so that no one picks up on the fact that it is socialized health care and you pay into the system WHETHER YOU USE IT OR NOT
 

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