The biggest Obama lie of all cannot be denied

[dilloduck]

What can't be ignored is Obama's approval rating has slumped to 41%

-Geaux

Wait til they start paying for Obamacare and seeing the results.

 

[dilloduck]

Opting Out of ObamaCare
ObamaCare is so odious that lawmakers and aides are trying to extricate themselves from its shackles. As Politico reported [in April], “Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.”

Could there be a more ringing indictment of the law? Not even its authors and supporters, Democrats all, want to be under its control. And yet they expect the rest of the country to submit to a law they have found lacking.

We could call the congressional Democrats who want to exempt themselves from ObamaCare hypocrites, and while that’s an apt description, they are also realists. They see the law up close and first-hand and know that it has problems.

Opting Out Of ObamaCare; Petty, Punitive Politics At The FAA - Forbes

 

[Oldstyle]

No, but you are trying to make it out as if nobody will be able to keep their current plan when in fact most will. It is true that some employers may be forced to switch to cheaper plans due to the cadillac tax, but the fact is that employers have an option of compensating those employees with better pay if they must reduce their benefits. Nothing in this world is absolutely perfect, and it never will be, but sometimes we need to try to make things better. This is what is happening with the ACA. The best thing about it is that once we know what works well in the ACA and what does not, then positive changes can be made. I happen to prefer that method over just going back to what we had which was a system that allowed insurance companies to drop policy holders whenever they felt the cost was too high.

So in essence what you're saying is that ObamaCare is a disaster but once we figure out WHY it's a disaster...we can fix it? With all due respect, Auditor? We could have passed legislation that would have made it illegal for insurance companies to drop people at their whim. Are we going trillions in debt just for that? If so THAT'S IDIOTIC!!!

First of all, if you're going to require insurance companies to insure everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions or you're not going to make it legal for them to drop people who become too expensive, then you have to have a mandate that everyone purchase the insurance. If you do not, then rates would go through the roof and it would be a disaster. The ACA is not a disaster, and there are many good things about it. The few things that are bad can be changed or made better.

The biggest flaw in the ACA is the fact that employers must cover all full-time employees. There are two problems with this. The first is the one cons all point out, that employers just won't give many employees the 30 hours that are required to be considered full-time. That should be changed to 37.5 hours. It would benefit employers and employees. Besides the problem you all point out, there is another problem for the employees. In many cases, these employees are low wage workers, and if their employer makes health insurance available to them, many will only cover half the premium. The other half must be covered by the employee, and that will make the plan more expensive than if that employee were able to purchase a plan off of the exchange and receive the tax credit to help pay for it.

Now the funny thing about this is that this truly is the biggest problem with the ACA, yet the Republican answer is to scrap the whole thing when they should be pushing to fix this problem. Unfortunately, today's Republicans are only interested in their own agenda, which is cut taxes, cut spending, and don't worry about whom it affects. And that is why the Republican Party is going down the shitter.

So you admit that there are bad things in the ACA before it even starts? So why did the Democrats pass a bill that has these bad things in it...and more importantly what Democrat has proposed legislation to CORRECT the bad things that are in the ACA? I must have missed that, Auditor!

The people who are sticking steadfastly to an "agenda" are actually you Progressives. You admit that the ACA sucks but none of you have done a thing to fix it. Why? Because it's such a bad piece of legislation that if you start trying to take out what doesn't work...you'll end up with next to nothing.

 

[Antares]

Harry Reid and Tom Coburn Agree: Obamacare Was Designed to Fail, Pave Way for Single-Payer

Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

it wasn't design to fail.... it was the beginnings to lead us to single payer ... the fact that when it comes imnto full play the majority of the people will like it so much that they will sign in to law single payer ... the idea that you feel that obamacare-was-designed-fail is noting more the right wing talking points not harry Reids

These are NOT the droids you're looking for.

Swallow some more kid.

 

[billyerock1991]

the biggest OsamaObama lies of all time cannot be denied or refuted by anyone, even the most radical libertards on this forum

Make Government Open and Transparent

Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects

Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)

No more secrecy

Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill

You’ll know what’s in it (Republican Senators didn’t know)

We will put every pork barrel project online

tell us the truth... that's really your imagination of a dick shooting in your mouth ... you can tell us ...we won't laugh at ya

 

[billyerock1991]

Harry Reid and Tom Coburn Agree: Obamacare Was Designed to Fail, Pave Way for Single-Payer

Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

it wasn't design to fail.... it was the beginnings to lead us to single payer ... the fact that when it comes imnto full play the majority of the people will like it so much that they will sign in to law single payer ... the idea that you feel that obamacare-was-designed-fail is noting more the right wing talking points not harry Reids

It designed so that no one picks up on the fact that it is socialized health care and you pay into the system WHETHER YOU USE IT OR NOT

WEATHER THEY LET YOU USE OT OR NOT LET YOU USE IT ... the health care system you had in the past what was that all about??? you pay for it or your company pays for it ... then you used it to take care of a medical issue that you have, what happens???"? they would to one of three things... deny you coverage, raise your rates, or cancel your health care all together .... then make it next to impossible for you to get health care ... or price it so high that you couldn't afford it... that's the great system you talk about.... at least under obama care you have a system that pays for your health care that you can use... as for it being socialized medicine, that's bull shit ... you as a citizen pay for it ... if the government paid for it then it would be socialized medicine ... the fact that each and every person pays for it says it all ...

 

[billyerock1991]

What can't be ignored is Obama's approval rating has slumped to 41%

-Geaux

Wait til they start paying for Obamacare and seeing the results.

many people in some states have sign up for it and what they have found is the get the same coverage at half the cost ... then you will see obamas approval rating go through the roof along with republicans committing suicide ....

in the state I'm the have a system trough the state where you can buy health care... they sent me information about it ... for my self I pay just about 450 dollars a month for a 5000 dollar deductible ... I look into just one of the system with better cover then I have now with a 100 dollar deductible ... it says I will pay 229 dollars a month so tell me how that's worse... and please tell me how bad that Will make Obama lose popularity polling...

 

[billyerock1991]

So in essence what you're saying is that ObamaCare is a disaster but once we figure out WHY it's a disaster...we can fix it? With all due respect, Auditor? We could have passed legislation that would have made it illegal for insurance companies to drop people at their whim. Are we going trillions in debt just for that? If so THAT'S IDIOTIC!!!

First of all, if you're going to require insurance companies to insure everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions or you're not going to make it legal for them to drop people who become too expensive, then you have to have a mandate that everyone purchase the insurance. If you do not, then rates would go through the roof and it would be a disaster. The ACA is not a disaster, and there are many good things about it. The few things that are bad can be changed or made better.

The biggest flaw in the ACA is the fact that employers must cover all full-time employees. There are two problems with this. The first is the one cons all point out, that employers just won't give many employees the 30 hours that are required to be considered full-time. That should be changed to 37.5 hours. It would benefit employers and employees. Besides the problem you all point out, there is another problem for the employees. In many cases, these employees are low wage workers, and if their employer makes health insurance available to them, many will only cover half the premium. The other half must be covered by the employee, and that will make the plan more expensive than if that employee were able to purchase a plan off of the exchange and receive the tax credit to help pay for it.

Now the funny thing about this is that this truly is the biggest problem with the ACA, yet the Republican answer is to scrap the whole thing when they should be pushing to fix this problem. Unfortunately, today's Republicans are only interested in their own agenda, which is cut taxes, cut spending, and don't worry about whom it affects. And that is why the Republican Party is going down the shitter.

So you admit that there are bad things in the ACA before it even starts? So why did the Democrats pass a bill that has these bad things in it...and more importantly what Democrat has proposed legislation to CORRECT the bad things that are in the ACA? I must have missed that, Auditor!

The people who are sticking steadfastly to an "agenda" are actually you Progressives. You admit that the ACA sucks but none of you have done a thing to fix it. Why? Because it's such a bad piece of legislation that if you start trying to take out what doesn't work...you'll end up with next to nothing.

if there are three bad things as you say there is it will get change after the 2014 election ....when republicans lose control of the house by get voted out ... then if there is three bad things that need fixing lie you say they will get it fixed ... but for right now as long as repub-lie-tards refuse to bring any bill that the dems need to work on, it won't happen ... might make the repub-lie-tards look even badder then they already look ....
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA

 

[dilloduck]

it wasn't design to fail.... it was the beginnings to lead us to single payer ... the fact that when it comes imnto full play the majority of the people will like it so much that they will sign in to law single payer ... the idea that you feel that obamacare-was-designed-fail is noting more the right wing talking points not harry Reids

It designed so that no one picks up on the fact that it is socialized health care and you pay into the system WHETHER YOU USE IT OR NOT

WEATHER THEY LET YOU USE OT OR NOT LET YOU USE IT ... the health care system you had in the past what was that all about??? you pay for it or your company pays for it ... then you used it to take care of a medical issue that you have, what happens???"? they would to one of three things... deny you coverage, raise your rates, or cancel your health care all together .... then make it next to impossible for you to get health care ... or price it so high that you couldn't afford it... that's the great system you talk about.... at least under obama care you have a system that pays for your health care that you can use... as for it being socialized medicine, that's bull shit ... you as a citizen pay for it ... if the government paid for it then it would be socialized medicine ... the fact that each and every person pays for it says it all ...

Listen closely------not everyone is heavily dependent on the health care system. If you don't use it why should I be forced to pay for it ? Why are so many people exempt ?
Are you crazy ? You don't think this is going to cost the government anything ?

 

[Antares]

It designed so that no one picks up on the fact that it is socialized health care and you pay into the system WHETHER YOU USE IT OR NOT

WEATHER THEY LET YOU USE OT OR NOT LET YOU USE IT ... the health care system you had in the past what was that all about??? you pay for it or your company pays for it ... then you used it to take care of a medical issue that you have, what happens???"? they would to one of three things... deny you coverage, raise your rates, or cancel your health care all together .... then make it next to impossible for you to get health care ... or price it so high that you couldn't afford it... that's the great system you talk about.... at least under obama care you have a system that pays for your health care that you can use... as for it being socialized medicine, that's bull shit ... you as a citizen pay for it ... if the government paid for it then it would be socialized medicine ... the fact that each and every person pays for it says it all ...

Listen closely------not everyone is heavily dependent on the health care system. If you don't use it why should I be forced to pay for it ? Why are so many people exempt ?
Are you crazy ? You don't think this is going to cost the government anything ?

No, the kid obviously still thinks that the ACA is "revenue neutral".

 

[francoHFW]

Jeebus the hater dupes believe a pile of crappe LOL! There are 40 million freeloaders YOU are paying for, and our Pub SCAM of a system is a cruel disaster, and the horrors Pubs scare you with haven't happened and never will. A-holes and silly brainwashed Pub dupes. AND it's a Pub style reform. Functional morons. LOL

 

[Geaux4it]

Jeebus the hater dupes believe a pile of crappe LOL! There are 40 million freeloaders YOU are paying for, and our Pub SCAM of a system is a cruel disaster, and the horrors Pubs scare you with haven't happened and never will. A-holes and silly brainwashed Pub dupes. AND it's a Pub style reform. Functional morons. LOL

I'm tired of supporting others. Looking out for myself and family first.

Fuck everyone else

There, I said it.

-Geaux

 

[Oldstyle]

First of all, if you're going to require insurance companies to insure everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions or you're not going to make it legal for them to drop people who become too expensive, then you have to have a mandate that everyone purchase the insurance. If you do not, then rates would go through the roof and it would be a disaster. The ACA is not a disaster, and there are many good things about it. The few things that are bad can be changed or made better.

The biggest flaw in the ACA is the fact that employers must cover all full-time employees. There are two problems with this. The first is the one cons all point out, that employers just won't give many employees the 30 hours that are required to be considered full-time. That should be changed to 37.5 hours. It would benefit employers and employees. Besides the problem you all point out, there is another problem for the employees. In many cases, these employees are low wage workers, and if their employer makes health insurance available to them, many will only cover half the premium. The other half must be covered by the employee, and that will make the plan more expensive than if that employee were able to purchase a plan off of the exchange and receive the tax credit to help pay for it.

Now the funny thing about this is that this truly is the biggest problem with the ACA, yet the Republican answer is to scrap the whole thing when they should be pushing to fix this problem. Unfortunately, today's Republicans are only interested in their own agenda, which is cut taxes, cut spending, and don't worry about whom it affects. And that is why the Republican Party is going down the shitter.

So you admit that there are bad things in the ACA before it even starts? So why did the Democrats pass a bill that has these bad things in it...and more importantly what Democrat has proposed legislation to CORRECT the bad things that are in the ACA? I must have missed that, Auditor!

The people who are sticking steadfastly to an "agenda" are actually you Progressives. You admit that the ACA sucks but none of you have done a thing to fix it. Why? Because it's such a bad piece of legislation that if you start trying to take out what doesn't work...you'll end up with next to nothing.

if there are three bad things as you say there is it will get change after the 2014 election ....when republicans lose control of the house by get voted out ... then if there is three bad things that need fixing lie you say they will get it fixed ... but for right now as long as repub-lie-tards refuse to bring any bill that the dems need to work on, it won't happen ... might make the repub-lie-tards look even badder then they already look ....
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA

Please point me to any Democratic bills to overhaul ObamaCare, Billy. If you admit that there are problems with it then what are you Progressives waiting for? It's been three years since that bad boy was passed! How long does it take you people to sit down and draft legislation that fixes the obvious problems in the ACA?

Now you say that we'll need to wait until AFTER the 2014 election for changes? LOL Why is it, Billy that you guys always push everything back until after the next election...and then as soon as we've HAD that election, you do nothing and start promising that it will all happen after the NEXT election? At what point do Progressives actually deliver on their promises?

 

[regent]

A democracy rarely produces a law, particularly a social law, that works as the author intended. One political party does not want the law to work and the other does. The end result is a compromise and a bad law. Many times it takes some years and many adjustments for the law to work as intended. Social Security is still being tweaked.

 

[007]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc3J5ZLf9W0]Obama Lie Montage - YouTube[/ame]

 

[francoHFW]

ACA will be tinkered with forever, and SOMETHING has to be done with our Pub default system, which is a ridiculously overpriced catastrophe.

 

[francoHFW]

#135- Not lies, just total BS Pub propaganda, hater dupe. Ain't the Pub Propaganda Machine great, organizing all that BULLSHYTTE for you? Read something from a real journalist.

 

[dilloduck]

#135- Not lies, just total BS Pub propaganda, hater dupe. Ain't the Pub Propaganda Machine great, organizing all that BULLSHYTTE for you? Read something from a real journalist.

Why are some people exempted from Obamacare ?

 

[dilloduck]

A democracy rarely produces a law, particularly a social law, that works as the author intended. One political party does not want the law to work and the other does. The end result is a compromise and a bad law. Many times it takes some years and many adjustments for the law to work as intended. Social Security is still being tweaked.

Then let's tweak what we have

 

[Antares]

#135- Not lies, just total BS Pub propaganda, hater dupe. Ain't the Pub Propaganda Machine great, organizing all that BULLSHYTTE for you? Read something from a real journalist.

Why are some people exempted from Obamacare ?

Why mess with franco?

The dude is a clueless idiot.

He has one response to everything "Pub hater dupes"....whatever that means.