The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act passed a couple days ago

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

 

[koshergrl]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Technically they took the "I'll never perform an abortion" part out of the Hippocratic Oath when it was rewritten. It doesn't really matter, though, as it's not legally binding anyway. It's just traditional. A lot of doctors don't really even take it anymore.

Original:
"I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius the surgeon, likewise Hygeia and Panacea, and call all the gods and goddesses to witness, that I will observe and keep this underwritten oath, to the utmost of my power and judgment.

I will reverence my master who taught me the art. Equally with my parents, will I allow him things necessary for his support, and will consider his sons as brothers. I will teach them my art without reward or agreement; and I will impart all my acquirement, instructions, and whatever I know, to my master's children, as to my own; and likewise to all my pupils, who shall bind and tie themselves by a professional oath, but to none else.

With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage.

Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child.

Further, I will comport myself and use my knowledge in a godly manner.

I will not cut for the stone, but will commit that affair entirely to the surgeons.

Whatsoever house I may enter, my visit shall be for the convenience and advantage of the patient; and I will willingly refrain from doing any injury or wrong from falsehood, and (in an especial manner) from acts of an amorous nature, whatever may be the rank of those who it may be my duty to cure, whether mistress or servant, bond or free.

Whatever, in the course of my practice, I may see or hear (even when not invited), whatever I may happen to obtain knowledge of, if it be not proper to repeat it, I will keep sacred and secret within my own breast.

If I faithfully observe this oath, may I thrive and prosper in my fortune and profession, and live in the estimation of posterity; or on breach thereof, may the reverse be my fate!"

Modern:
"I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help."

 

[the_human_being]

ROFLMNAO!

This dumbass is in here crying about THE COST OF RAISING UNWANTED BABIES... and its only solution is to murder pre-born children, because the alternative deals it out of easy trim and the RESPONSIBILITY OF RAISING HIS UNWANTED CHILDREN... and IT NEEDS TO BLAME RELIGION FOR OF THE COST OF RAISING UNWANTED CHILDREN AND REASONABLE PEOPLE RECOGNIZING THAT TO DEVALUE THE PRE-BORN HUMAN DEVALUES ALL HUMANS.

Guy, you work on the assumption that women will not get abortions because you say so. it makes me wonder if you have ever had a real live encounter with a naked lady.

Women are going to have abortions regardless of what the law is. they had abortions before Roe v. Wade. The birth rate did NOT DROP in 1973. Before Roe, doctors performed abortions and wrote something else down on the chart.

Here's a hint... 5000 years ago, it was EXPENSIVE TO RAISE UNWANTED CHILDREN. And 5000 years ago, PEOPLE KNEW THAT IT WAS EXPENSIVE TO RAISE UNWANTED CHILDREN.

So... Laws were made which made it IMPERATIVE TO RAISE YOUR OWN KIDS! Those laws came down from the authorities, whose power was based in RELIGION. That the power that outlawed pawning your kids off to others was based in RELIGION, DOES NOT MAKE THE REASON FOR THE LAW: RELIGIOUS.

Now, here's the thing. Maybe you need to read what ancient civilizations actually did. Child sacrifice was actually a common thing. There is even a case of it in the Bible, where Jephthah the Gileadite sacrificed his daughter because God gave him a victory.

Another common practice was "exposing' children. - to leave them out in the cold until they died. And of course, women knew how to induce abortions and did.

So... Laws were made which made it IMPERATIVE TO RAISE YOUR OWN KIDS! Those laws came down from the authorities, whose power was based in RELIGION. That the power that outlawed pawning your kids off to others was based in RELIGION, DOES NOT MAKE THE REASON FOR THE LAW: RELIGIOUS.

Funny you should mention that. the bible allows you to sell your daughter into slavery.

Exodus
21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

The bible also says you should kill your children if they mouth off to you.

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. -- Leviticus 20:9

That is, unless you need to claim that the recognition of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS EXCLUSIVELY RELIGIOUS... which would be a pretty silly thing for a Pro-Life Atheist to claim. (And anyone else... for that matter... but particularly for those idiots.)

Actually, the Bible says nothing about abortion. In fact, the bible considered causing an abortion to only be worthy of a fine.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

Actually yes, the bible does mention abortion.

The bible tells how to induce an abortion.

So the christians are lying when they use their bible to excuse their need to control women and force them to be incubators for a pregnancy she doesn't want.


Numbers 5:11-31 Revised Standard Version
11 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 12 Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If any man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him, 13 if a man has had intercourse with her but it is hidden from her husband, so that she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her since she was not caught in the act; 14 if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself; or if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself; 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest. And he shall bring the offering required for her, one-tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 Then the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord; 17 the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 The priest shall set the woman before the Lord, dishevel the woman's hair, and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. In his own hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. 19 Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, "If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband's authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband's authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you," 21 —let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman—"the Lord make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge; 22 now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!" And the woman shall say, "Amen. Amen." 23 Then the priest shall put these curses in writing, and wash them off into the water of bitterness. 24 He shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter her and cause bitter pain. 25 The priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman's hand, and shall elevate the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar; 26 and the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and turn it into smoke on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children. 29 This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband's authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when a spirit of jealousy comes on a man and he is jealous of his wife; then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall apply this entire law to her. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman shall bear her iniquity.

For the umpteenth time, neither the Bible, Christianity, God, Christ, or religion in general are the subject here and none of those things are of issue except that it was thrown out there in a fit of hatred by the one advocating for the murder of the just born. The issue before us is the law making it a crime to kill a just delivered baby fresh out of the womb.

 

[the_human_being]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

I agree. There should be a database available listing their names and addressees as there are for child molesters so parents and grandparents will have a "heads up" concerning their presence in the neighborhood and take precautions in protecting the children from the monsters.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

I agree. There should be a database available listing their names and addressees as there are for child molesters so parents and grandparents will have a "heads up" concerning their presence in the neighborhood and take precautions in protecting the children from the monsters.

I'm definitely going to need to know where people stand on this before bringing my kids around them when I'm a parent. If they think it's cool for a doctor to kill a newborn then I have no reason to believe they'll have any qualms concerning my own children.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Listen, JoeB131, this would be a lot simpler if you stopped ignoring my previous request to give us your definition of "fetus". As it stands now, you're using the term for a born person anyone else would call a baby. It would clear up a lot of confusion to explain why you're doing so.

That sick asshole would approve aborting a full grown white, male conservative. He is deaf, dumb and blind with murderous rage regarding the abortion topic.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

[
Joey...

I realize you can't buy rubbers with food stamps...

Need to borrow 50 cents????

Ouch! lol

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

I agree. There should be a database available listing their names and addressees as there are for child molesters so parents and grandparents will have a "heads up" concerning their presence in the neighborhood and take precautions in protecting the children from the monsters.

I would like to see the database expanded to include people who advocate the Pro-abortion stance of allowing for late term abortions or any abortion for convenience. Life of the mother is the only excuse to terminate if there is no way to save the baby and the mother. Rape and incest is no excuse to terminate.

 

[the_human_being]

Again, keep your superstitions in your church, let medical professionals make medical decisions.

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

I agree. There should be a database available listing their names and addressees as there are for child molesters so parents and grandparents will have a "heads up" concerning their presence in the neighborhood and take precautions in protecting the children from the monsters.

I would like to see the database expanded to include people who advocate the Pro-abortion stance of allowing for late term abortions or any abortion for convenience. Life of the mother is the only excuse to terminate if there is no way to save the baby and the mother. Rape and incest is no excuse to terminate.

It saddens me to see anyone such as Joe who has totally lost his humanity. These are the traits most often found among serial killers and the like.

 

[BlindBoo]

President Obama has vowed to veto it. There is a high likelihood that Democrats will filibuster it if the veto fails.

Civics 101. A filibuster comes before a vote in the Senate.

 

[koshergrl]

Listen, JoeB131, this would be a lot simpler if you stopped ignoring my previous request to give us your definition of "fetus". As it stands now, you're using the term for a born person anyone else would call a baby. It would clear up a lot of confusion to explain why you're doing so.

That sick asshole would approve aborting a full grown white, male conservative. He is deaf, dumb and blind with murderous rage regarding the abortion topic.

Porn addict and possibly engaged in the sex industry. Everybody who sexually exploits and abuse women are fanatical about their RIGHT to kill babies.

 

[JoeB131]

Not really. But what societies did do was throw their children into sacrificial fires to appease some irascible deity. You people have been killing children in every age of man and will not escape God's judgment.

Why would your imaginary sky pixie have a problem with people killing children?

God drowned every child in the world in teh great flood.

He burned every child in Sodom and Gomorrah alive.

He killed every first born child in Egypt.

He ordered Saul to kill all the Children of the Amelakites.

He killed the infant son of David and Bathsheeba to teach them a lesson about not setting up unwanted husbands to get killed in battle.

"Blessed is he who smashes your little ones heads against the stones" - Psalm 137:9

 

[JoeB131]

No no... You're a Relativist.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

It is through this perversion of reason; wherein relativism axiomatically rejects the very existence of objectivity; which is essential to truth, that we find that such precludes the means for Left-think to serve justice.

With truth being essential to trust and, both: truth and trust being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality and, because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

And only through Relativism, comes a rationalization to murder a baby in its Mother's womb, then sell its corpse, as a means to avoid the responsibilities of raising the child the Mother CHOSE, when she chose to engage in the behavior SPECIFICALLY designed to conceive a child.

Guy, that was a very pretty speech and all, but i have yet to hear one of your wingnuts tell me how you are going ot make a ban on abortion work.

Abortions are going to happen no matter what the law is. Period. Has been since the begining of time.

 

[JoeB131]

ROFL! You're the one stripping women of their essence. I'd explain it to you, but you're clearly insufficient to even begin to understand.

Most women I know don't consider themselves to be merely breeding machines.

Again, you sound like a guy who never gets laid.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Why would your imaginary sky pixie have a problem with people killing children?

What is an imaginary Sky Pixie? (Besides a figment of your deluded imagination...)

 

[AvgGuyIA]

An abortionist has a conflict of interest unlike all other medical professionals. Most of his practice depends upon doing as many abortions as possible, and he or she may have personal beliefs to further abortion that he follows.

Well, the Hippocratic Oath requires Doctors 'to do not harm'. Abortion is always harmful... .

So you're exactly right, Abortionists where they are Doctors, are operating in direct conflict with their own sacred bond.

Abortionists are the scum of the medical world. They aren't allowed admitting rights in real hospitals for a reason. Most of them are disgraced, un licensed, addicted, monsters.

I agree. There should be a database available listing their names and addressees as there are for child molesters so parents and grandparents will have a "heads up" concerning their presence in the neighborhood and take precautions in protecting the children from the monsters.

I would like to see the database expanded to include people who advocate the Pro-abortion stance of allowing for late term abortions or any abortion for convenience. Life of the mother is the only excuse to terminate if there is no way to save the baby and the mother. Rape and incest is no excuse to terminate.

It saddens me to see anyone such as Joe who has totally lost his humanity. These are the traits most often found among serial killers and the like.

Indeed. There is no reasoning with pro-abortion proponents.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Most women I know don't consider themselves to be merely breeding machines.

I've never met a woman that does... . Which is sorta why your would-be position is so perverse.

Bearing children is not a curse on women ass-hat. It is a privilege and it is the most honorable of deeds, to be taken seriously and a responsibility to be born with pride.

YOU are the one that is 'reducing' woman to breeding machines and you're a fuckin' embarrassment to the species, for doing so.

 

[JoeB131]

Even if a boyfriend punched a pregnant woman in the gut, killing her baby, you would acquit., apparently. Amazing how someone can be so fucking murderous in their desire to kill babies.

NO, i would happily convict him of aggravated assault, the only crime he's guilty of.

Not just religious people , people with morales are against it.

Juan Morales? I use to hang out with that guy!

Unwanted pregnancies are far more avoidable now than at any time in history. You seem to feel it is unavoidable. It's not. Men and women have been experiencing the same sexual urges since Adam and Eve. I had the same hormones raging in me as any male nowadays experience. I simply spent the fifty cents at the service station dispensary and assumed the responsibility myself. My wife had three children and we presently have seven grandchildren. Neither my wife, my son, or my two daughter ever even considered having an abortion. Actually, all three of our children were planned for and wanted.

That you know of. Hey, guy, I would love it if everyone practiced birth control and only had sex with people who were good life partners. That's not the world we live in. We live in a world where people show poor judgement, but I'm not about to grant civil rights to embryoes because I don't like their bad decision making.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB would acquit on the charge of killing the Peterson baby.

Was there a birth certificate for the "Peterson Baby"? Was this baby born someone that it was recorded?

We don't really know at all how many late-term perfectly healthy babies are aborted. For sure, there are many.

NO, there really aren't. Less than 1% of abortions are performed at the 20th week, and most of those for good medical reasons.

Do you really think there is a woman out there who goes through 20 weeks of morning sickness, bloating and hormonal imbalance if she doesn't intend to have children?