The cops used a Bomb to kill the guy....anyone curious about that tactic?

[JakeStarkey]

It will not, unfortunately, dissuade others if it is the inevitable death awaiting the terrorist.

Johnson proved that an armed veteran with a tactical sense in a built up environment is worth several officers in a combat situation.

Yep. Police are heroes in society but they are not as well trained in tactics as a military member. That said, those brave souls were ambushed too & did not have the element of surprise.

The vast majority of those police officers are veterans too!

Years removed. Johnson was 12 months removed. Watch the vids. Small forward steps, shoot and move, swing wide for cover and concealment, aggressive when needed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What makes you think that they used C-4?

What makes you think that cops wouldn't have C-4?

As I think this through more- 'bomb disposal robot'.....what do bomb disposal units use to take care of bombs they can't safely defuse?

They blow them up.

What do they use to blow up the bombs?

Probably whatever they used to blow up this asshole.

The Police Chief said they used C-4...and you are right... the bomb disposal unit would probably have it......

So you are okay that the cops shot the guy in Baton Rouge...right? And the Gentle Giant? And the Martin kid?

I am okay with police taking out armed suspects who are endangering others.

So are you okay with the police taking out this suspect?

Or do you have a problem just because you prefer police to shoot suspects?

I don't think it was justified....he was contained and not a threat to anyone.....but....if he was a threat then no, I don't care about him.....

If he wasn't dead, he was still a threat. Why are you claiming this ridiculous line of reasoning?

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Because they could have used CS-gas and smoked him out.....or just waited till he gave himself up...as long as he was contained, was there a need to use lethal force?

Johnson was a mad dog. He was rabid. You kill rabid animals.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It will not, unfortunately, dissuade others if it is the inevitable death awaiting the terrorist.

Johnson proved that an armed veteran with a tactical sense in a built up environment is worth several officers in a combat situation.

Yep. Police are heroes in society but they are not as well trained in tactics as a military member. That said, those brave souls were ambushed too & did not have the element of surprise.

The vast majority of those police officers are veterans too!

Years removed. Johnson was 12 months removed. Watch the vids. Small forward steps, shoot and move, swing wide for cover and concealment, aggressive when needed.

My son is a former infantryman who served in Afghanistan. He learned that 10 years ago. It isn't anything new.

One of the cops he killed was still a Navy reservist and Afghanistan vet.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It will not, unfortunately, dissuade others if it is the inevitable death awaiting the terrorist.

Johnson proved that an armed veteran with a tactical sense in a built up environment is worth several officers in a combat situation.

Yep. Police are heroes in society but they are not as well trained in tactics as a military member. That said, those brave souls were ambushed too & did not have the element of surprise.

The vast majority of those police officers are veterans too!

Years removed. Johnson was 12 months removed. Watch the vids. Small forward steps, shoot and move, swing wide for cover and concealment, aggressive when needed.

My son is a former infantryman who served in Afghanistan. He learned that 10 years ago. It isn't anything new.

One of the cops he killed was still a Navy reservist and Afghanistan vet.

Two or three of the five were vets, and one or two of the wounded were as well. Johnson was well trained, disciplined, and knew exactly what he wanted to do.

 

[MikeK]

The fires in Waco was started INSIDE the compound. Not by those assaulting the compound. Take that up in the conspiracy thread.

Even if that were true, which I'm not convinced it was, the cops were well aware there were dozens of children in there, and that Koresh was believed to be insane, and that Koresh had warned that he would kill everyone if any attempt to breach was made. Knowing that, they broke down a wall using a tank retriever and inserted pounds of highly flammable, military-grade tear gas.

Again, they knew there were innocent kids in there. They knew Koresh was unstable. They knew Koresh had threatened mass suicide. So does it matter who started the fire? It is undeniably obvious who was responsible for it.

Remember -- 21 children. Some as young as two. Innocent tots. The impatient cops ignored that and sealed their fate.

 

[MikeK]

He was in an engineering job.He learned at a private self-defense class.

Dallas shooter learned tactics at Texas self-defense school

One does not obtain sniper training at a civilian self-defense school.

My MOS was Engineer (heavy equipment) in the Marine Corps, but because I qualified as Expert Rifleman on the range I received two additional weeks of specialized sniper training -- as did all qualified Expert Riflemen.

 

[Pete7469]

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

Rarely disagree with you dude, but on this I do.

What's next? Airstrikes?

Civilian police should not be using military tactics or ordinance no matter what.

If a person or group is so well armed the civilian authorities cannot bring them in, the state needs to mobilize it's military.

In this case a blast of tear gas would probably have done the trick. Failing that wait until dehydration and hunger work in your favor.

Exactly.

The military cannot be used for law enforcement.

How do you know he didn't have a gas mask and plenty of water?

Although it is an armed service, the U.S. Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not restricted by the Posse Comitatus Act. The Coast Guard enforces federal laws within its jurisdiction, even when operating as a service within the U.S. Navy

It is NOT currently a part of the Navy, but is under Homeland Security, but can be during wartime.

The National Guard in each state can be called up by the governor to enforce state authority.

 

[martybegan]

It will not, unfortunately, dissuade others if it is the inevitable death awaiting the terrorist.

Johnson proved that an armed veteran with a tactical sense in a built up environment is worth several officers in a combat situation.

Yep. Police are heroes in society but they are not as well trained in tactics as a military member. That said, those brave souls were ambushed too & did not have the element of surprise.

The vast majority of those police officers are veterans too!

Years removed. Johnson was 12 months removed. Watch the vids. Small forward steps, shoot and move, swing wide for cover and concealment, aggressive when needed.

My son is a former infantryman who served in Afghanistan. He learned that 10 years ago. It isn't anything new.

One of the cops he killed was still a Navy reservist and Afghanistan vet.

Two or three of the five were vets, and one or two of the wounded were as well. Johnson was well trained, disciplined, and knew exactly what he wanted to do.

It's also a question of initiative, because who in their right mind (until now) would expect a guy to actively target multiple police officers in one event? Even trained people would take a few minutes to sort out what was going on and report it up the chain to make everyone aware, and until then he has the drop on any cop he ran into.

 

[Syriusly]

Why do you think a parking garage is anywhere near "contained"? The tear gas would just blow away through the open air.

I don't think it was justified....he was contained and not a threat to anyone.....but....if he was a threat then no, I don't care about him.....

If he wasn't dead, he was still a threat. Why are you claiming this ridiculous line of reasoning?

Because they could have used CS-gas and smoked him out.....or just waited till he gave himself up...as long as he was contained, was there a need to use lethal force?

Ever had tear gas used on you? It works best in a closed environment, which a parking garage is NOT!

Yes...I have, in both an open and enclosed environment.....they could have brought in tear gas sprayers and just kept it on him........

I'm sorry. I am not buying your "experience". Tear gas in an open environment like used in a riot is to make people leave the area. All he had to do was move. Also, how do you know he didn't have a gas mask?

Even more so- the cops couldn't know that he didn't have a gas mask. If they used tear gas- and he had a gas mask. they would just be obstructing their visability.

 

[charwin95]

Blue lives splatter.

If this racist prick is really an airplane mechanic, I wouldn't want him working on a plane I was flying in. I'm white.

Seriously. He is dump truck driver. Thanks god he is not an airplane mechanic.

 

[dannyboys]

What makes you think that they used C-4?

What makes you think that cops wouldn't have C-4?

As I think this through more- 'bomb disposal robot'.....what do bomb disposal units use to take care of bombs they can't safely defuse?

They blow them up.

What do they use to blow up the bombs?

Probably whatever they used to blow up this asshole.

The Police Chief said they used C-4...and you are right... the bomb disposal unit would probably have it......

So you are okay that the cops shot the guy in Baton Rouge...right? And the Gentle Giant? And the Martin kid?

I am okay with police taking out armed suspects who are endangering others.

So are you okay with the police taking out this suspect?

Or do you have a problem just because you prefer police to shoot suspects?

I don't think it was justified....he was contained and not a threat to anyone.....but....if he was a threat then no, I don't care about him.....

If he wasn't dead, he was still a threat. Why are you claiming this ridiculous line of reasoning?

Because they could have used CS-gas and smoked him out.....or just waited till he gave himself up...as long as he was contained, was there a need to use lethal force?

Being "contained" has fuck all to do with the REALITY of the situation. The negroid panty sniffer claimed he had planted bombs and was threatening to detonate them. All it takes is a cell phone to detonate the bombs you ASSHOLE!
The longer the standoff continued the more desperate and paranoid the Negroid panty sniffer was getting.
Had the Negroid panty sniffer detonated a few bombs YOU would have been screaming "Why didn't the cops do their duty and kill the mother fucker!".
Go away. You're a waste of bandwidth.

 

[charwin95]

Why not? It's as good a way as any.

Because , ultimately the police are SUPPOSED to try to bring suspects in alive. Not just say "well he won't give up " and then bomb them, sheesh.

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Why not? It's as good a way as any.

Because , ultimately the police are SUPPOSED to try to bring suspects in alive. Not just say "well he won't give up " and then bomb them, sheesh.

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

 

[dannyboys]

The fires in Waco was started INSIDE the compound. Not by those assaulting the compound. Take that up in the conspiracy thread.

Even if that were true, which I'm not convinced it was, the cops were well aware that there were dozens of children in there, and that Koresh was believed to be insane, and that Koresh had warned that he would kill everyone if any attempt to breach was made. Knowing that, they broke down a wall using a tank retriever and inserted pounds of highly flammable, military-grade tear gas.

Again, they knew there were innocent kids in there. They knew Koresh was unstable. They knew Koresh had threatened mass suicide. So does it matter who started the fire? It is undeniably obvious who was responsible for it.

Remember -- 21 children. Some as young as two. Innocent tots. The impatient cops ignored that and sealed their fate.

Another bullshit opinion!
All those children were in the care and custody of their parents. Their parents happened to be insane fucking zombies, much like the Bob Jones zombies and the current Hillary zombie negro 'base'. Not a fucking brain cell between them when it comes to taking responsibility for their lives.
Blame the zombie parents for the death of their children.
Blame the males who impregnate thirteen year olds in the inner city shitholes and never take responsibility as the father for over seventy percent of inner city shithole children guaranteed to grow up to behave just like their never to be known fathers.
It's ALWAYS the parent's responsibility to 'parent'. A concept totally foreign to the minds, such as they are, of innercity Negroids.

 

[dannyboys]

Why not? It's as good a way as any.

Because , ultimately the police are SUPPOSED to try to bring suspects in alive. Not just say "well he won't give up " and then bomb them, sheesh.

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

Tough shit what you "believe"! Real people live in the real world.
Give it a try sometime jerk!
I had the misfortune to come across you hundreds of times. Absolutely ZERO grounding in what was reality and what was not.
You live in a fucking pansy-ass coward dreamworld.

 

[dannyboys]

Why not? It's as good a way as any.

Because , ultimately the police are SUPPOSED to try to bring suspects in alive. Not just say "well he won't give up " and then bomb them, sheesh.

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

You murder five LEOs and wound another seven and claim you have bombs hidden which you can detonate with your cell phone you are officially fucking DEAD!
Shove your being "disturbed" up your ass pal!

 

[yiostheoy]

He was in an engineering job.He learned at a private self-defense class.

Dallas shooter learned tactics at Texas self-defense school

One does not obtain sniper training at a civilian self-defense school.

My MOS was Engineer (heavy equipment) in the Marine Corps, but because I qualified as Expert Rifleman on the range I received two additional weeks of specialized sniper training -- as did all qualified Expert Riflemen.

USMC is way different. They/we train all their people to be good shots.

Johnson in Dallas was an Army engineer -- demolition and construction. He would only have gotten basic rifle training. But their training is not bad.

I would not call Johnson a "sniper" per se. He never received sniper training. But he did learn how to aim a rifle and shoot at people.

It surprises me more that he was able to kill is fellow citizens so easily, shooting 14 of them (12 cops on purpose and 2 civilians by accident or collaterally).

It takes a very hard heart to kill. It takes an especially hard heart to kill innocent people.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Because , ultimately the police are SUPPOSED to try to bring suspects in alive. Not just say "well he won't give up " and then bomb them, sheesh.

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

Tough shit what you "believe"! Real people live in the real world.
Give it a try sometime jerk!
I had the misfortune to come across you hundreds of times. Absolutely ZERO grounding in what was reality and what was not.
You live in a fucking pansy-ass coward dreamworld.

What the fuck are you talking about? Pansy? Do you think it takes a tough guy to post on the internet "hell yeah cops should blow people up?" You're as stupid as the black lives matter idiots. No , the cops don't get to just kill someone simply b/c that someone killed cops earlier in the day. Now , a shoot out , or shooting a fleeing suspect who poses a danger to others? Tough shit, they get what they get. But a suspect who killed people hours ago and was no holed up where he couldn't hurt anyone else? No, the cops shouldn't be blowing that guy up with a bomb.

The same robot that carried a bomb could have been equipped with a tranquilizer dart. That's not an option if the guy has hostages or what have you, but if he is alone and has no way to harm others, it is.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When a suspect is barricaded in, and refuses to give up, and is known to be heavily armed, this tactic is justified.

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

Tough shit what you "believe"! Real people live in the real world.
Give it a try sometime jerk!
I had the misfortune to come across you hundreds of times. Absolutely ZERO grounding in what was reality and what was not.
You live in a fucking pansy-ass coward dreamworld.

What the fuck are you talking about? Pansy? Do you think it takes a tough guy to post on the internet "hell yeah cops should blow people up?" You're as stupid as the black lives matter idiots. No , the cops don't get to just kill someone simply b/c that someone killed cops earlier in the day. Now , a shoot out , or shooting a fleeing suspect who poses a danger to others? Tough shit, they get what they get. But a suspect who killed people hours ago and was no holed up where he couldn't hurt anyone else? No, the cops shouldn't be blowing that guy up with a bomb.

The same robot that carried a bomb could have been equipped with a tranquilizer dart. That's not an option if the guy has hostages or what have you, but if he is alone and has no way to harm others, it is.

You watch too much TV. Grow up, go out and live in the real world.

Where are you getting he was "holed up" from? If someone has to go in there and get him, wherever he is, they are putting their life in jeopardy trying to arrest him. Send in a robot and blow his ass to smithereens was an acceptable alternative, no matter how much it makes you want to piss your tighty-whiteys!



Tranquilizer darts? Are you that stupid?

 

[dannyboys]

No it isn't. Just wait his ass out. Where is he going to go? Police should NEVER go tactical unless a person is a danger to others. PERIOD

Danger to others? He already killed several cops........ You don't make sense at all. You don't make sense at al.

So what? IF he was no longer a danger, the police are supposed to deescalate as well. Then if he presents a danger again, do what you have to do. This to me just sounds like the guy was holed up, not a present danger to anyone, but the police were tired of wating for him to surrender.

I mean I don't care that he's dead, but it's very disturbing that many people believe the police should be able to blow suspects up

Tough shit what you "believe"! Real people live in the real world.
Give it a try sometime jerk!
I had the misfortune to come across you hundreds of times. Absolutely ZERO grounding in what was reality and what was not.
You live in a fucking pansy-ass coward dreamworld.

What the fuck are you talking about? Pansy? Do you think it takes a tough guy to post on the internet "hell yeah cops should blow people up?" You're as stupid as the black lives matter idiots. No , the cops don't get to just kill someone simply b/c that someone killed cops earlier in the day. Now , a shoot out , or shooting a fleeing suspect who poses a danger to others? Tough shit, they get what they get. But a suspect who killed people hours ago and was no holed up where he couldn't hurt anyone else? No, the cops shouldn't be blowing that guy up with a bomb.

The same robot that carried a bomb could have been equipped with a tranquilizer dart. That's not an option if the guy has hostages or what have you, but if he is alone and has no way to harm others, it is.

You watch too much TV. Grow up, go out and live in the real world.

Where are you getting he was "holed up" from? If someone has to go in there and get him, wherever he is, they are putting their life in jeopardy trying to arrest him. Send in a robot and blow his ass to smithereens was an acceptable alternative, no matter how much it makes you want to piss your tighty-whiteys!



Tranquilizer darts? Are you that stupid?

Yes the fucking moron is THAT stupid!
I doubt the asshole has ever held a BB gun in his useless life.
God I'd LOVE to watch this asshole put in charge of a police standoff with a multiple murderer with the victims families gathered around and the shooter claiming he has planted bombs he can detonate wit his cellphone.
The little creep would be fucking kicked to death.