The curse of socialism…

[Rustic]

Original EU, Scandinavia, Canada, Japan, australia, and NZ.

Japan is actually closer to the US in almost every regard, so not sure why they are no that list. They have a larger debt to GDP than us too.

All those countries have produced an artificial economy for themselves. They are taking money from limited resource extraction that dwindles overtime to fuel a welfare system that is designed with permanency.

Scandinavia is the worst, since for most of their economies, 50% of their economic diversity is composed of non-sustainable resources. It is a heavily expanded bubble.

...and most of the EU is heavily dependent on oil/coal from Russia, so Putin has those socialist fucks by the short hairs... Lol

 

[Rustic]

Tell us where Socialism has worked a long term?

Original EU, Scandinavia, Canada, Japan, australia, and NZ.

None of those are long-term, and most of them are on the verge of collapse under their own debt ridden weight...

BS. They do recover more slowly from corrupt GOP meltdowns without our natural resources. GD disastrous GOP, dupe.

Stop confusing the 2, stupid dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, he fixed temporary pain with long term troubles (and the puppet did not even do that)

We already expanded the artificial economy several times during the 20th century. The risk of implosion has been in steady growth.

All Obama did was make the rich richer. The stock market boomed, but over 50% of Americans are not invested in the stock market...and certainly the poor and lower middle class are not in the stock market.

If Big Ears were an R, libs and progs would be condemning him for enriching the rich while doing nothing for the poor.

JESUS CHRIST!!! GOPers blocked everything you want in this area. HELLOOOOO????

The federal government are all progressives, no one blocked shit they all spent more than what they have to spend. fact

Your ignorance is amazing.

Bills Republicans Have Blocked Since President Obama Took Office ...
Bills Republicans Have Blocked Since President Obama Took Office: Off Topic Forum: Digital Photography Review
DP Review
I keep hearing this argument that Obama did not do enough....there is a long list of achievement I posted...http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3292812.
The Cost To Our Economy From Republican Obstruction And Sabotage
https://ourfuture.org/.../the-cost-to-our-economy-from...
Campaign for America's Future
Sep 23, 2014 - Since the 2009 “stimulus,” Republicans have obstructed pretty much every ... of bills Senate Republicans have filibustered since President Obama took ..... was no public support whatsoever for the policies being attempted.
Obama: GOP blocked 500 bills - POLITICO
www.politico.com/story/.../republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
Politico
May 8, 2014 - He says the midterm elections are crucial because the GOP is willing ... Obama saysRepublicans have been obstructionist since even before ...►
Just the Facts: House Republicans' Record on Obstruction | The Office ...
https://www.democraticwhip.gov/.../just-facts-house-republicans-record-obstruction
Sep 11, 2014 - Senate Republicans have blocked debate on bill after bill, including: ... “Mitch McConnell has a game plan to confront President Barack Obama with a ... year: Accept bills reining in the administration's policies or veto them and ...
Obama: GOP has filibustered 500 bills | MSNBC
www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/obama-gop-has-blocked-500-bills
May 8, 2014 - The president slammed congressional Republicans for blocking legislation in a fundraising pitch on Wednesday.

You do realize that it is one party rule in Washington? The progressive party

BS. This is basically continued Reaganism, pandering to the rich, defended to the death by bought off GOP a-holes and silly dupes. Try actually reading this, dumbass dupe- see if you can spot the truth. AY CARAMBA:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Rustic]

A progressive income tax has never made a healthy country, in fact it's been all downhill since... Or I should say uphill. LOL

Hilarious. Proven totally ignorant. Move on lol. Downhill since REAGANISM started, brainwashed functional moron. Read something. Later, chumps. lol

Deflection

First off, the US population is only surpassed in population by China and India, so obviously the budget is always going to be a higher cost per percentage of population.

Healthcare does not have a one track cost. The best healthcare in the world exists in the United States, being pretty much the medical capital of the world. That means the most expensive surgeries, the highest costs for hospital care, and the largest selection of drugs at huge mark ups set by the corporations that produce them,

Relatively over 40% of healthcare costs go to seniors, so old people can stop themselves from croaking for several more years. The other 40% goes into health supply companies. (that's your corporate welfare PPACA) The rest is spread out lightly among the general population and research and development for new antibiotics and stuff.

Even though I totally oppose healthcare spending, your best bet for making it one of the best healthcare systems in the world is setting a significant spending cap on senior citizens. (stop expanding medicare Democrats) and ending corporate welfare in the health industry (never going to happen Democrats)

They do not.

Would be nice to see an argument in support of your position though.

Transparent competition and gov't regulation. It's happening, dupe.

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

First off, the US population is only surpassed in population by China and India, so obviously the budget is always going to be a higher cost per percentage of population.

Healthcare does not have a one track cost. The best healthcare in the world exists in the United States, being pretty much the medical capital of the world. That means the most expensive surgeries, the highest costs for hospital care, and the largest selection of drugs at huge mark ups set by the corporations that produce them,

Relatively over 40% of healthcare costs go to seniors, so old people can stop themselves from croaking for several more years. The other 40% goes into health supply companies. (that's your corporate welfare PPACA) The rest is spread out lightly among the general population and research and development for new antibiotics and stuff.

Even though I totally oppose healthcare spending, your best bet for making it one of the best healthcare systems in the world is setting a significant spending cap on senior citizens. (stop expanding medicare Democrats) and ending corporate welfare in the health industry (never going to happen Democrats)

They do not.

Would be nice to see an argument in support of your position though.

Transparent competition and gov't regulation. It's happening, dupe.

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

BS. That's communism, dupe.

Dupe, socialism breeds dictatorships, it's the best in the world at it...

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

 

[Rustic]

All Obama did was make the rich richer. The stock market boomed, but over 50% of Americans are not invested in the stock market...and certainly the poor and lower middle class are not in the stock market.

If Big Ears were an R, libs and progs would be condemning him for enriching the rich while doing nothing for the poor.

JESUS CHRIST!!! GOPers blocked everything you want in this area. HELLOOOOO????

The federal government are all progressives, no one blocked shit they all spent more than what they have to spend. fact

Your ignorance is amazing.

Bills Republicans Have Blocked Since President Obama Took Office ...
Bills Republicans Have Blocked Since President Obama Took Office: Off Topic Forum: Digital Photography Review
DP Review
I keep hearing this argument that Obama did not do enough....there is a long list of achievement I posted...http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3292812.
The Cost To Our Economy From Republican Obstruction And Sabotage
https://ourfuture.org/.../the-cost-to-our-economy-from...
Campaign for America's Future
Sep 23, 2014 - Since the 2009 “stimulus,” Republicans have obstructed pretty much every ... of bills Senate Republicans have filibustered since President Obama took ..... was no public support whatsoever for the policies being attempted.
Obama: GOP blocked 500 bills - POLITICO
www.politico.com/story/.../republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
Politico
May 8, 2014 - He says the midterm elections are crucial because the GOP is willing ... Obama saysRepublicans have been obstructionist since even before ...►
Just the Facts: House Republicans' Record on Obstruction | The Office ...
https://www.democraticwhip.gov/.../just-facts-house-republicans-record-obstruction
Sep 11, 2014 - Senate Republicans have blocked debate on bill after bill, including: ... “Mitch McConnell has a game plan to confront President Barack Obama with a ... year: Accept bills reining in the administration's policies or veto them and ...
Obama: GOP has filibustered 500 bills | MSNBC
www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/obama-gop-has-blocked-500-bills
May 8, 2014 - The president slammed congressional Republicans for blocking legislation in a fundraising pitch on Wednesday.

You do realize that it is one party rule in Washington? The progressive party

BS. This is basically continued Reaganism, pandering to the rich, defended to the death by bought off GOP a-holes and silly dupes. Try actually reading this, dumbass dupe- see if you can spot the truth. AY CARAMBA:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[francoHFW]

Original EU, Scandinavia, Canada, Japan, australia, and NZ.

Japan is actually closer to the US in almost every regard, so not sure why they are no that list. They have a larger debt to GDP than us too.

All those countries have produced an artificial economy for themselves. They are taking money from limited resource extraction that dwindles overtime to fuel a welfare system that is designed with permanency.

Scandinavia is the worst, since for most of their economies, 50% of their economic diversity is composed of non-sustainable resources. It is a heavily expanded bubble.

...and most of the EU is heavily dependent on oil/coal from Russia, so Putin has those socialist fucks by the short hairs... Lol

Try and follow the debate, dumbass. They're socialist and not going anywhere. SO ARE WE, cold war dinosaur.

 

[francoHFW]

Hilarious. Proven totally ignorant. Move on lol. Downhill since REAGANISM started, brainwashed functional moron. Read something. Later, chumps. lol

Deflection

Transparent competition and gov't regulation. It's happening, dupe.

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

Transparent competition and gov't regulation. It's happening, dupe.

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

BS. That's communism, dupe.

Dupe, socialism breeds dictatorships, it's the best in the world at it...

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

 

[Rustic]

Original EU, Scandinavia, Canada, Japan, australia, and NZ.

Japan is actually closer to the US in almost every regard, so not sure why they are no that list. They have a larger debt to GDP than us too.

All those countries have produced an artificial economy for themselves. They are taking money from limited resource extraction that dwindles overtime to fuel a welfare system that is designed with permanency.

Scandinavia is the worst, since for most of their economies, 50% of their economic diversity is composed of non-sustainable resources. It is a heavily expanded bubble.

...and most of the EU is heavily dependent on oil/coal from Russia, so Putin has those socialist fucks by the short hairs... Lol

Try and follow the debate, dumbass. They're socialist and not going anywhere. SO ARE WE, cold war dinosaur.

 

[Rustic]

Deflection

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

Admit it, socialism is a failure in all of its forms. Mainly because freedom and socialism cannot co-exist...

BS. That's communism, dupe.

Dupe, socialism breeds dictatorships, it's the best in the world at it...

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

 

[Rustic]

 

[francoHFW]

Hilarious. Proven totally ignorant. Move on lol. Downhill since REAGANISM started, brainwashed functional moron. Read something. Later, chumps. lol

Reagan was a big government spender.

You said earlier that government spending helps the economy. You should be defending Reagan.

Not on the military like Reagan, stupid. lol

 

[francoHFW]

BS. That's communism, dupe.

Dupe, socialism breeds dictatorships, it's the best in the world at it...

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

Stupid Pubspam, dupe. Only one is democratic and true socialism. Ay caramba.

 

[Rustic]

Dupe, socialism breeds dictatorships, it's the best in the world at it...

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

Stupid Pubspam, dupe.

 

[Rustic]

 

[francoHFW]

Feq communism. Everyone else has. Start with what I said. The dictionary definition RWers always give says "means of production owned or REGULATED by the community"...REGULATED is socialism in the modern sense.

There is more than one dictionary definition, and there are always technical and philosophical definitions.

The technical and philosophical definitions say that the western world is communist.

Socialist, stupid.

 

[Rustic]

 

[francoHFW]

Never without violent revolution, dupe. Just like capitalism. Because it is capitalism. Just well regulated and fair. We barely qualify. Thanks GOP a-holes and dupes.

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

Stupid Pubspam, dupe.

That's communism, stupid dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Idiot.

 

[Rustic]

It's a safety net for the unfortunate. And a shytty GOP one at that. Nobody WANTS to be on it anyway.

Stupid Pubspam, dupe.

That's communism, stupid dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

READ IT, dumbass.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 35 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts