The damage done by the New Partisans

[Bfgrn]

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I wonder if, at any point in this thread, any partisans will have the nerve to stop pointing the finger at the other guys and engage in a little honest, humble, sincere self-examination.

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That is one of the cores of liberalism...self examination

 

[kaz]

It's a symbiotic relationship. Pols are like dogs. They react to stimulus. When they go off demonizing Republicans and get huge applause in the media and from voters and get elected they learn that behavior gets rewarded. So they do it more.
Obama did more to polarize race in this country than anyone else. He had to stick his flat nose into every local controversy, regardless of the facts. Recall his jumping into the arrest of the Harvard professor before al the facts were out. Holder is an out and out racist, who gives passes to blacks who violate election laws.

Remember the outrage when a black man was elected president, before he was even settle in office?
Holder and Oblama are no worse than what white presidents have done to acerbate the racial tension by silent proxy...

RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST.!!!!!

Oh, and what's wrong with you people? Why are YOU so angry?

Gotcha, dick, when the Marxist became President, our issue was his skin color. That's why we were OK with Slick, John Fing Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Read and the white liberals. I mean we tried to oppose them, but damn it, they are white, it's OK.

You see Bfjorn, you are an idiot, you don't see hatred on your own side, you just don't. Because you are full of hate yourself

It's pretty straight forward, race pimp

I just report, if you don't like it tough shit...

God, another weeping liberal. Look, girlfriend, it's just the internet. We are discussing politics. If you're going to cry and wail like that, maybe you should just go watch TV. Here's a tissue

 

[Mac1958]

That is one of the cores of liberalism...self examination

Okay, great, go ahead.

Let's see it.

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[Moonglow]

Remember the outrage when a black man was elected president, before he was even settle in office?
Holder and Oblama are no worse than what white presidents have done to acerbate the racial tension by silent proxy...

RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST,RACIST, RACIST, RACIST.!!!!!

Oh, and what's wrong with you people? Why are YOU so angry?

Gotcha, dick, when the Marxist became President, our issue was his skin color. That's why we were OK with Slick, John Fing Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Read and the white liberals. I mean we tried to oppose them, but damn it, they are white, it's OK.

You see Bfjorn, you are an idiot, you don't see hatred on your own side, you just don't. Because you are full of hate yourself

It's pretty straight forward, race pimp

I just report, if you don't like it tough shit...

God, another weeping liberal. Look, girlfriend, it's just the internet. We are discussing politics. If you're going to cry and wail like that, maybe you should just go watch TV. Here's a tissue

Maybe you could get that thorn out of your ass today, nope you like it there...

 

[The Rabbi]

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

Wrong.
Next.

As usual, you are obtuse to the core of the issue.

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.

I vehemently opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, his sanction of torture, his environmental policies, his economic policies...the list is long. BUT, BIG BUT...I never accused Bush of loving America or accused him of having loyalty to another country or that he hated America.

The right can't make that claim...

Fucking spare me, OK? The Left accused Bush of everything short of drinking human blood. And probably someone thought that too.
Oops. I should have used Google before I typed that:

Obama's actions as well as his words suggest he thinks America is the problem. No other president ever suggested that. That is why people question whether he loves America.
Reality: Try it sometime.

 

[Iceweasel]

The only party that has been hijacked was the Republican party by the far right.

Yeah right, Retardo. It was the right that introduced gay marriage, legalized pot, illegal aliens voting, obamacare, massive business regulations, union demands, etc. etc.

Go drool in your spittle cup.

No, the right introduced legalized unconstitutional discrimination (Marriage Act), marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic in the same category as heroin, deregulation that crashed our economy, unconstitutional racial profiling laws...

But Republicans DID introduce "Obamacare" in 1993 including the Heritage Foundation's "individual mandate"

Wrong Droolcup. Introducing a bill doesn't make it unconstitutional, there has to be a law then the ruling for that. It was a reaction to the left overturning the people's constitutional right in a state to define marriage.

No Republican voted for obamacare. And obama had congress at his disposal for 2 years and MJ stayed on the list. None of that demonstrates the right moving further right.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, we do live in an era of hyper partisanship. Examples of this began with accusing anyone who opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq as being terrorist supporters but it began earlier than that with the crotch sniffing attacks on Bill Clinton. In essence the "politics of personal destruction" morphed into hyper partisanship.

The subsequent gerrymandering simply reinforced those mindsets and yes, that electorate is sadly misinformed by disingenuous sources that spread disinformation under the guise of "entertainment".

As far as any remediation goes it is more just a matter of letting it run it's odious course until it burns itself out. The demographic shifts will reduce this malign influence on our society and it will die off, quite literally.

The new generation of conservatives are already moving away from the partisan rhetoric and embracing things like Obamacare because they are looking at the benefits of having healthcare and marriage equality amongst their peers.

The old guard won't be around for long enough to damage this nation irreparably IMO.

Interesting how you stopped at Clinton and ignored the absolute vile vitriol leveled at Ronald Reagan for eight long years...Prior to that, it was Ford and prior to that, Nixon.

It is at Nixon that I think the hyper-partisanship began. It wasn't until the liberals lost their lock on media outlets that they became outright rabid about it, and today, the left (more specifically, progressives) are only a hairs breath away from literal foaming at the mouth when talking about people who have a different vision. Oh, and that different vision has to be lied about in order to justify their venomous reactions.

Yeah teh John Birch Society sure represents most Republicans.
Retard.

 

[Iceweasel]

Race only divides us as it is used to divide class.

The history of America is the history of class warfare with the upper classes using race to divide the lowers classes.

...which is why poor people the world over came here, right. To stay poor? Sorry, but many (most) made it. Some made it big time.

 

[Iceweasel]

Democrats keep saving Republicans' asses with their failed economics policies, and unfunded wars...

Wow.

 

[Moonglow]

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

Wrong.
Next.

As usual, you are obtuse to the core of the issue.

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.

I vehemently opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, his sanction of torture, his environmental policies, his economic policies...the list is long. BUT, BIG BUT...I never accused Bush of loving America or accused him of having loyalty to another country or that he hated America.

The right can't make that claim...

Fucking spare me, OK? The Left accused Bush of everything short of drinking human blood. And probably someone thought that too.
Oops. I should have used Google before I typed that:

Obama's actions as well as his words suggest he thinks America is the problem. No other president ever suggested that. That is why people question whether he loves America.
Reality: Try it sometime.

He loves it enough too see a problem, just as every president has.....

 

[The Rabbi]

This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.

Have you forgotten the Clinton administration? We're the Conservatives welcoming President Clinton like an old lodge buddy?

Ken Starr investigations wandering around looking for something to investigate. Rush Limbaugh and other so-called pundits throwing grenades and watching their effect?

Sure! "It all started with the Democrats".

Don't speak of Conservative innocence.

"We;re"? Really?
Please show me the time teh Democrats welcomed a Republican president. Please show me when Democrats pledged to re-elect a Republican president. Yeah, never happened.
Bill Clinton took bribes from the Chinese government and covered it up. His administration was rife with scandals, Whitewater, cattle futures etc. The Lewinsky thing was merely the most provable of many allegations that were probably all true. No wonder Starr was called in to investigate. By Janet Reno, btw.

 

[The Rabbi]

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

Wrong.
Next.

As usual, you are obtuse to the core of the issue.

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.

I vehemently opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, his sanction of torture, his environmental policies, his economic policies...the list is long. BUT, BIG BUT...I never accused Bush of loving America or accused him of having loyalty to another country or that he hated America.

The right can't make that claim...

Fucking spare me, OK? The Left accused Bush of everything short of drinking human blood. And probably someone thought that too.
Oops. I should have used Google before I typed that:

Obama's actions as well as his words suggest he thinks America is the problem. No other president ever suggested that. That is why people question whether he loves America.
Reality: Try it sometime.

He loves it enough too see a problem, just as every president has.....

Wrong. He sees America as the problem. Other presidents have seen mistakes the US has made. They have never seen America as the problem.

 

[hazlnut]

Race only divides us as it is used to divide class.

The history of America is the history of class warfare with the upper classes using race to divide the lowers classes.

...which is why poor people the world over came here, right. To stay poor? Sorry, but many (most) made it. Some made it big time.

Take a history class.

Then get back to me.

Half made it to middle class.

When you define what "Rich" is-- the top 2%, throughout the history of the U.S. on a tiny percentage has ever been Rich.

 

[The Rabbi]

The only party that has been hijacked was the Republican party by the far right.

Yeah right, Retardo. It was the right that introduced gay marriage, legalized pot, illegal aliens voting, obamacare, massive business regulations, union demands, etc. etc.

Go drool in your spittle cup.

No, the right introduced legalized unconstitutional discrimination (Marriage Act), marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic in the same category as heroin, deregulation that crashed our economy, unconstitutional racial profiling laws...

But Republicans DID introduce "Obamacare" in 1993 including the Heritage Foundation's "individual mandate"

DOMA was signed into law by Bill Clinton.
The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Act of 1970 was introduced by Harley Staggers (a Democrat), passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by Nixon.
Jimmy Carter enacted much deregulation.
Please cite any laws legalizing racial profiling.

It isnt that you dont know anything It's that everything you know is wrong.

 

[Dragonlady]

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...

Oh yes, Ha! Ha!, Everyone who were against Obama for President is racist. Give it up, it's so old it stinks of rot

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. They see Obama being "divisive" if he comments on race issues he states the black point of view, and espousing a black point of view offends racist whites. Racists like to pretend that black poverty is because of laziness, not because of a system which provides low quality education to low income areas.

That 1/3 of Republican Party believes the fiction that Obama was born in Kenya, should tell you just what a large percentage of Republicans are racist.

 

[Nosmo King]

This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.

Have you forgotten the Clinton administration? We're the Conservatives welcoming President Clinton like an old lodge buddy?

Ken Starr investigations wandering around looking for something to investigate. Rush Limbaugh and other so-called pundits throwing grenades and watching their effect?

Sure! "It all started with the Democrats".

Don't speak of Conservative innocence.

"We;re"? Really?
Please show me the time teh Democrats welcomed a Republican president. Please show me when Democrats pledged to re-elect a Republican president. Yeah, never happened.
Bill Clinton took bribes from the Chinese government and covered it up. His administration was rife with scandals, Whitewater, cattle futures etc. The Lewinsky thing was merely the most provable of many allegations that were probably all true. No wonder Starr was called in to investigate. By Janet Reno, btw.

Sure. Democrats "pledging to re-elect a Republican president".

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Moonglow]

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

Wrong.
Next.

As usual, you are obtuse to the core of the issue.

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.

I vehemently opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, his sanction of torture, his environmental policies, his economic policies...the list is long. BUT, BIG BUT...I never accused Bush of loving America or accused him of having loyalty to another country or that he hated America.

The right can't make that claim...

Fucking spare me, OK? The Left accused Bush of everything short of drinking human blood. And probably someone thought that too.
Oops. I should have used Google before I typed that:

Obama's actions as well as his words suggest he thinks America is the problem. No other president ever suggested that. That is why people question whether he loves America.
Reality: Try it sometime.

He loves it enough too see a problem, just as every president has.....

Wrong. He sees America as the problem. Other presidents have seen mistakes the US has made. They have never seen America as the problem.

That's cause they were lying to themselves.....

 

[Bfgrn]

People including Reagan believed in the 80's that we needed to spend MONEY on infrastructure, science, r&d, education, etc. Today idiot on the far right believes that we shouldn't spend any MONEY on maintaining our own country, but they will BITCH at the president if we move to NUMBER TWO in ranking.

You realize that the National Debt wasn't as big back then as it is today, it also wasn't increasing at the rate it is today. You realize that dont you? We cannot afford it today.

You realize that the National Debt was never an issue until Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy? Or that it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt?

Where did our debt come from? When did massive debt become part of the American economy? Was it New Deal Democrats? No....they PAYED for what they spent. It all started with the 'welfare queen' mentality of Ronny Reagan who switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

 

[Moonglow]

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...

Oh yes, Ha! Ha!, Everyone who were against Obama for President is racist. Give it up, it's so old it stinks of rot

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. They see Obama being "divisive" if he comments on race issues he states the black point of view, and espousing a black point of view offends racist whites. Racists like to pretend that black poverty is because of laziness, not because of a system which provides low quality education to low income areas.

That 1/3 of Republican Party believes the fiction that Obama was born in Kenya, should tell you just what a large percentage of Republicans are racist.

I find it refreshing to have someone in office that is not a white male pasty corporate ass licker............and has the guts to tell it like they see it..

 

[The Rabbi]

This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.

Have you forgotten the Clinton administration? We're the Conservatives welcoming President Clinton like an old lodge buddy?

Ken Starr investigations wandering around looking for something to investigate. Rush Limbaugh and other so-called pundits throwing grenades and watching their effect?

Sure! "It all started with the Democrats".

Don't speak of Conservative innocence.

"We;re"? Really?
Please show me the time teh Democrats welcomed a Republican president. Please show me when Democrats pledged to re-elect a Republican president. Yeah, never happened.
Bill Clinton took bribes from the Chinese government and covered it up. His administration was rife with scandals, Whitewater, cattle futures etc. The Lewinsky thing was merely the most provable of many allegations that were probably all true. No wonder Starr was called in to investigate. By Janet Reno, btw.

Sure. Democrats "pledging to re-elect a Republican president".

What color is the sky in your world?

Your concession on this point is noted. Republicans work to make Democrat presidnet one term presidents. Democrats do the same to Republican presidents. There is no difference on this point.