The damage done by the New Partisans

[Derideo_Te]

are only a hairs breath away from literal foaming at the mouth when talking about people who have a different vision. Oh, and that different vision has to be lied about in order to justify their venomous reactions.

Ironic coming from someone posting while foaming at the mouth!

 

[Iceweasel]

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Now I know you are putting us on.

 

[Bfgrn]

Something that gets overlooked is that America didn't hear much of a conservative voice once TV came on strong. The left even got control over radio. It wasn't until the "Fairness Doctrine" got the ax that America started hearing conservatives on the airwaves. Now with talk radio, TV talk show and the internet we get more information. As the liberals lost their grip on information dissemination they had to up the ante and try to convince people that conservative values were not just wrong, but evil.

Yea, the EVIL of fairness!!!

What it was: The Fairness Doctrine, as initially laid out in the report, ”In the Matter of Editorializing by Broadcast Licensees,” required that TV and radio stations holding FCC-issued broadcast licenses to (a) devote some of their programming to controversial issues of public importance and (b) allow the airing of opposing views on those issues. This meant that programs on politics were required to include opposing opinions on the topic under discussion. Broadcasters had an active duty to determine the spectrum of views on a given issue and include those people best suited to representing those views in their programming.

Additionally, the rule mandated that broadcasters alert anyone subject to a personal attack in their programming and give them a chance to respond, and required any broadcasters who endorse political candidates to invite other candidates to respond. However, the Fairness Doctrine is different from the Equal Time rule, which is still in force and requires equal time be given to legally qualified political candidates.

Yes, fairness is not me keeping what I earned, it is you taking by force that which you didn't.

This word you keep using, fairness, I don't think it means what you think it means

non sequitur ...

Fairness Doctrine had NOTHING to do with tax code.

Try to act like an adult...

What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about the fairness doctrine. Try to read like an adult

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THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE...

 

[Mac1958]

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.


Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.


So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”

Sadly, indeed.

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Your acting Superior to others because you think you hide your progressive bent is old.....

Don't like the thread, huh?

Not my problem.

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Just saying I see threw your hypocrisy.

Great.

Now, are you going to stop making this about me and address the OP?

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[jillian]

This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.

no. it began with you wackos impeaching a sitting president for a blue dress.

even when baby bush took the presidency by edict from the court,he didn't get treated the way you loons treat this president.

now go tell more lies.

 

[jillian]

Something that gets overlooked is that America didn't hear much of a conservative voice once TV came on strong. The left even got control over radio. It wasn't until the "Fairness Doctrine" got the ax that America started hearing conservatives on the airwaves. Now with talk radio, TV talk show and the internet we get more information. As the liberals lost their grip on information dissemination they had to up the ante and try to convince people that conservative values were not just wrong, but evil.

you mean they didn't get inundated with a steady diet of propaganda.

and there was no citizens united which allowed the koch's and their friends to brainwash the ignorant further.

 

[thanatos144]

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.


Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.


So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”

Sadly, indeed.

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Your acting Superior to others because you think you hide your progressive bent is old.....

Don't like the thread, huh?

Not my problem.

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Just saying I see threw your hypocrisy.

Great.

Now, are you going to stop making this about me and address the OP?

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The op is about you.

 

[Dragonlady]

People including Reagan believed in the 80's that we needed to spend MONEY on infrastructure, science, r&d, education, etc. Today idiot on the far right believes that we shouldn't spend any MONEY on maintaining our own country, but they will BITCH at the president if we move to NUMBER TWO in ranking.

You realize that the National Debt wasn't as big back then as it is today, it also wasn't increasing at the rate it is today. You realize that dont you? We cannot afford it today.

The public debt is a big as it is today because of Republican tax cuts. And wars. Endless wars.

If the US wants to be the world superpower with the highest defense spending in the world, it behooves you to pay for it. Raise taxes to a level that funds your military, and your wars. Maybe if Republicans had to pay for their wars, they wouldn't be so damn anxious to take on anybody and everybody. Responsible countries don't try to police every act of aggression in other parts of the world. They don't meddle in the internal affairs of other countries. And they stay the hell out of the Middle East, which has been a quagmire since Jesus walked the earth.

If you want money for infrastructure, education, research and development, stop trying to dominate the world. Spend the money at home. On your people. Stop nation building other peoples' countries and start working on your own.

 

[The Rabbi]

This began with Democrats, of course. I could tick off examples of Democrats demonizing Republicans for the last 10 years and exhaust the server space on this forum. We have never seen the level of lying and vitriol against Democrats by the GOP that we saw in, say, Alan Grayson's "Republicans want you to die quickly" speech on healthcare.
And Dems arent trustworthy in the least. Bush wanted the No Child Left Behind act passed. He left it up to Ted Kennedy to write. Kennedy wrote it and then denounced it on the floor of the Senate as being not generous enough.
You cannot work with people like that. You can only destroy them in every possible way. Democrats are the ISIS of the political scene.

no. it began with you wackos impeaching a sitting president for a blue dress.

even when baby bush took the presidency by edict from the court,he didn't get treated the way you loons treat this president.

now go tell more lies.

Arent you supposed to be some kind of feminist or other? How do you support someone sexually harassing a subordinate? How do you support a sexual predator?
Oh, right. You're a big phony is all. You supported Anthony Weiner. You must have been abused as a child.

 

[The Rabbi]

People including Reagan believed in the 80's that we needed to spend MONEY on infrastructure, science, r&d, education, etc. Today idiot on the far right believes that we shouldn't spend any MONEY on maintaining our own country, but they will BITCH at the president if we move to NUMBER TWO in ranking.

You realize that the National Debt wasn't as big back then as it is today, it also wasn't increasing at the rate it is today. You realize that dont you? We cannot afford it today.

The public debt is a big as it is today because of Republican tax cuts. And wars. Endless wars.

If the US wants to be the world superpower with the highest defense spending in the world, it behooves you to pay for it. Raise taxes to a level that funds your military, and your wars. Maybe if Republicans had to pay for their wars, they wouldn't be so damn anxious to take on anybody and everybody. Responsible countries don't try to police every act of aggression in other parts of the world. They don't meddle in the internal affairs of other countries. And they stay the hell out of the Middle East, which has been a quagmire since Jesus walked the earth.

If you want money for infrastructure, education, research and development, stop trying to dominate the world. Spend the money at home. On your people. Stop nation building other peoples' countries and start working on your own.

Actually revenue is at record levels. But spending on domestic programs is also at record levels.
Libs dont do facts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

No way republicans are going to sign-off on that amendment.

 

[Freewill]

Liberals keep saying that the right has moved.

No, Barry Goldwater and Victor Gold did...are/were they "liberals"?

what is your point? That the right has moved to the left? I can agree with that, sadly.

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Actually neither one is true.
The Democrats have mvoed hard left, implementing the biggest domestic entitlement program since LBJ, as well as exerting control over banking and other sectors.
The GOP hasnt really moved anywhere.

Bush was pretty damn on the liberal side, if you ask me. Jeb, cut from the same cloth.

 

[Bfgrn]

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Now I know you are putting us on.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that today's GOP increased the Federal minimum wage. Extended Social Security to additional workers Provided protection of unemployment insurance for workers. Increased workmen's compensation benefits and retirement benefits, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.



HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...

Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

 

[Katzndogz]

The country has been dividing for many years. It's just reached the point where we really hate each other.

 

[Freewill]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering should not only be outlawed, but the districts should be redrawn to undo the damage done. Of course the Republicans would never win the House or Senate if the districts were redrawn to geographically sensible sizes, so I doubt that will happen.

O I C what you mean, redrawn so more democrats can steal elections, THEN never redraw them again.

How about we just leave them were they are today and not redo the damage that was done before they were moved.

 

[Freewill]

Liberals keep saying that the right has moved.

No, Barry Goldwater and Victor Gold did...are/were they "liberals"?

what is your point? That the right has moved to the left? I can agree with that, sadly.

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Have you lived in a comma for the last 20 years? On what topic has the left moved to the right? What? NOTHING that is what.

 

[Iceweasel]

Something that gets overlooked is that America didn't hear much of a conservative voice once TV came on strong. The left even got control over radio. It wasn't until the "Fairness Doctrine" got the ax that America started hearing conservatives on the airwaves. Now with talk radio, TV talk show and the internet we get more information. As the liberals lost their grip on information dissemination they had to up the ante and try to convince people that conservative values were not just wrong, but evil.

you mean they didn't get inundated with a steady diet of propaganda.

and there was no citizens united which allowed the koch's and their friends to brainwash the ignorant further.

How are the Koch's brainwashing anybody? They do but the media doesn't? The Fairness Doctrine was typical leftist bullshit and the opposite of its' stated purpose. But liberals will go for the short version every time and believe the title.

If you want to start radio podcast espousing your pearls of wisdom, why should the government force you to air the opposite viewpoint? People can't tune in to something else?

 

[Freewill]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

No way republicans are going to sign-off on that amendment.

No way democrats are going to sign-off on that amendment. Democrats are merely raising straw men to try and soothe their butt burn.

 

[Katzndogz]

If the Koch brothers really did brainwash everyone we would have legalized pot and same sex marriage long ago.

 

[Moonglow]

Liberals keep saying that the right has moved.

No, Barry Goldwater and Victor Gold did...are/were they "liberals"?

what is your point? That the right has moved to the left? I can agree with that, sadly.

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Actually neither one is true.
The Democrats have mvoed hard left, implementing the biggest domestic entitlement program since LBJ, as well as exerting control over banking and other sectors.
The GOP hasnt really moved anywhere.

Bush was pretty damn on the liberal side, if you ask me. Jeb, cut from the same cloth.

Yes he was, that's why I thought him okay...