The damage done by the New Partisans

[The Rabbi]

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...

Oh yes, Ha! Ha!, Everyone who were against Obama for President is racist. Give it up, it's so old it stinks of rot

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. They see Obama being "divisive" if he comments on race issues he states the black point of view, and espousing a black point of view offends racist whites. Racists like to pretend that black poverty is because of laziness, not because of a system which provides low quality education to low income areas.

That 1/3 of Republican Party believes the fiction that Obama was born in Kenya, should tell you just what a large percentage of Republicans are racist.

I find it refreshing to have someone in office that is not a white male pasty corporate ass licker............and has the guts to tell it like they see it..

Obama is a half white corporate ass licker and has the balls to pander to his base. Is that an improvement?

 

[Unkotare]

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. ...

How do you know?

 

[Moonglow]

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.

Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...

Oh yes, Ha! Ha!, Everyone who were against Obama for President is racist. Give it up, it's so old it stinks of rot

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. They see Obama being "divisive" if he comments on race issues he states the black point of view, and espousing a black point of view offends racist whites. Racists like to pretend that black poverty is because of laziness, not because of a system which provides low quality education to low income areas.

That 1/3 of Republican Party believes the fiction that Obama was born in Kenya, should tell you just what a large percentage of Republicans are racist.

I find it refreshing to have someone in office that is not a white male pasty corporate ass licker............and has the guts to tell it like they see it..

Obama is a half white corporate ass licker and has the balls to pander to his base. Is that an improvement?

See? What is it with you white people sucking rich peoples ass?

 

[Unkotare]

he states the black point of view....

He is President of the United States. He is supposed to state the AMERICAN point of view. Not white, not black, not Latino, not Asian; the AMERICAN point of view.

 

[Moonglow]

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. ...

How do you know?

Because they don't aver the fact..of racism, only rejection because of his policies...

 

[Dragonlady]

JFK would not be at home in today's Democrat party. Ask not what your country can do for you and fiscal responsibility? He couldn't get elected to a state representative office.

The quote is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". It was a call to public service - for young people to give back to the country which has given them so much. It had nothing to do with "fiscal responsibility" or being given free stuff. You Conservatives keep trying to claim JFK as one of your own and he wasn't.

Furthermore, JFK would be appalled at today's Democratic Party because it has moved so far to the right. That was Clinton's doing. He recognized that in order to get elected, Democrats had to claim the center ground which is where most of the electorate lives. Democrats moved to the right to get Clinton elected, and in response, the Republicans have moved further to the right.

Obama is a right-wing president, by any definition you might want to make. Even Obamacare gives the insurance business a strong boost, as opposed to a public option. The deregulation of Wall Street hasn't been repealed, nor the Patriot Act. The US is still heavily embroiled in the Middle East. At least Obama has wisely kept the US from getting involved in more expensive and wasteful wars.

 

[Moonglow]

he states the black point of view....

He is President of the United States. He is supposed to state the AMERICAN point of view. Not white, not black, not Latino, not Asian; the AMERICAN point of view.

Ah so.....

 

[The Rabbi]

Do not let the damn politicians which create and advance their agendas and wedge issue to be innocent...While blaming the electorate...
The politicians do not act in a civilized manor and they do not keep their mouths shut....
The biggest influx of of rracial divide was when Oblama was elected...The damn racist came out of the woodwork and their halos were dimmed...

Oh yes, Ha! Ha!, Everyone who were against Obama for President is racist. Give it up, it's so old it stinks of rot

Not everyone who is against Obama is a racist, but there are a lot of them. They see Obama being "divisive" if he comments on race issues he states the black point of view, and espousing a black point of view offends racist whites. Racists like to pretend that black poverty is because of laziness, not because of a system which provides low quality education to low income areas.

That 1/3 of Republican Party believes the fiction that Obama was born in Kenya, should tell you just what a large percentage of Republicans are racist.

I find it refreshing to have someone in office that is not a white male pasty corporate ass licker............and has the guts to tell it like they see it..

Obama is a half white corporate ass licker and has the balls to pander to his base. Is that an improvement?

See? What is it with you white people sucking rich peoples ass?

Who is sucking rich peoples ass? Wouldnt that be Obama, who jets around to expensive dinners, and Hillary who does the same?

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

If gerrymandering is such a problem then how did the democrats lose so big in the mid terms? Funny that the Republicans would have to gerrymander considering the ass whooping the left received.

How? g-e-r-r-y-m-a-n-d-e-r-i-n-g

 

[The Rabbi]

he states the black point of view....

He is President of the United States. He is supposed to state the AMERICAN point of view. Not white, not black, not Latino, not Asian; the AMERICAN point of view.

Ah so.....

Was that somehow unclear or was it just a revelation that Obama is supposed to be President of the United States, not President of the NAACP?

 

[Iceweasel]

Race only divides us as it is used to divide class.

The history of America is the history of class warfare with the upper classes using race to divide the lowers classes.

...which is why poor people the world over came here, right. To stay poor? Sorry, but many (most) made it. Some made it big time.

Take a history class.

Then get back to me.

Half made it to middle class.

When you define what "Rich" is-- the top 2%, throughout the history of the U.S. on a tiny percentage has ever been Rich.

Sorry but how does poor minority people becoming rich demonstrate that race causes class division?

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

If gerrymandering is such a problem then how did the democrats lose so big in the mid terms? Funny that the Republicans would have to gerrymander considering the ass whooping the left received.

How? g-e-r-r-y-m-a-n-d-e-r-i-n-g

The GOP took the Senate as well, asswipe.

 

[Bfgrn]

Liberals keep saying that the right has moved.

No, Barry Goldwater and Victor Gold did...are/were they "liberals"?

what is your point? That the right has moved to the left? I can agree with that, sadly.

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

 

[thanatos144]

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.


Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.


So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”

Sadly, indeed.

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Your acting Superior to others because you think you hide your progressive bent is old.....

 

[Iceweasel]

This droolcup doesn't realize obasm spends much more.

 

[Dragonlady]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering should not only be outlawed, but the districts should be redrawn to undo the damage done. Of course the Republicans would never win the House or Senate if the districts were redrawn to geographically sensible sizes, so I doubt that will happen.

 

[Mac1958]

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.


Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.


So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”

Sadly, indeed.

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Your acting Superior to others because you think you hide your progressive bent is old.....

Don't like the thread, huh?

Not my problem.

.

 

[The Rabbi]

Liberals keep saying that the right has moved.

No, Barry Goldwater and Victor Gold did...are/were they "liberals"?

what is your point? That the right has moved to the left? I can agree with that, sadly.

Were you born this obtuse? The GOP has moved to the right, and so has the Democratic Party.

Actually neither one is true.
The Democrats have mvoed hard left, implementing the biggest domestic entitlement program since LBJ, as well as exerting control over banking and other sectors.
The GOP hasnt really moved anywhere.

 

[thanatos144]

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Good piece by Dana Milbank: America s new cycle of partisan hatred - The Washington Post

A few points from it:

-- Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.


It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods (for example, having study participants review résumés of people that make both their race and party affiliation clear), they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”

-- This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.


Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.


So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”

Sadly, indeed.

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Your acting Superior to others because you think you hide your progressive bent is old.....

Don't like the thread, huh?

Not my problem.

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Just saying I see threw your hypocrisy.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh for pity sakes...no President has ever won with more than like 61% of the popular vote. We've always been pretty evenly split down the middle.

A good start to "fix" the problem is a Constitutional Amendment getting rid of partisan gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering should not only be outlawed, but the districts should be redrawn to undo the damage done. Of course the Republicans would never win the House or Senate if the districts were redrawn to geographically sensible sizes, so I doubt that will happen.

Dunce. The Republicans won the House in 2010 before the census and redistricting.
Dems love redistricting when they control state houses. When they're out of control, not so much.