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Any Liberals care to argue that the Founders presented us with a Fascist nation?
No?
As I said....when FDR looked around for economic policies to follow, where did Roosevelt turn? Mussolini. Fascism.
See where I'm going with the title " The Death Throes of Democracy"?
A bit more proof? Sure.
5. Roosevelt and his New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)
"Rex Tugwell, FDR's economic adviser, was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Perkins (Sec'y of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
(Better look up who Francis Perkins was, Libs....)
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system."
a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.
b. "Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.48
6. People were beginning to recognize the fascist nature of the National Recovery Administration(NRA), code when they saw "... the jailing of a New Jersey tailor named Jack Magid, whose crime was pressing a suit for thirty-five cents when the code fixed the price at forty cents."
The Supreme Court, May 27, 1935, declared the NRA unconstitutional. (The court ruled that Congress had delegated the law-making authority to the President and the NRA.
The Supreme Court gave up its independenence shortly thereafter.
nothing like a far right wing writer telling us about FDR
1. There is no "far right" in this country....only a 'Far Left.'
2. I'm not 'telling you about FDR'....I'm teaching you.
The proof of same is that none of you brain-dead drones has found even one thing I've posted about him that is untrue nor inaccurate.
Hence....'teaching.'
BWA HAHAHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
you teaching
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
how about writing your own version of history by the use of some right wing nut job like you ..
teaching ??? YOU ???
TOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY
So, you are ready to give the land back to the natives?
Why?
They didn't own it.
there isn't any law that says she can't ... thats the whole point here ... you missed it then and you keep missing it now ... thats why she took the rout she did ... you keep saying she can't have a private server for her private emails and thats not true ... there isn't any government laws at that time that says she can't .. you told me about your so-called job then and at that time I stated to you, where dose it says in the law that you can't have a private server for your private emails ... you couldn't come up with any law that said that ... you trying to buffalo us with your so-caled knowledge of a law that does't exist at that time ... so stop your bull shit there was a law against it then an because it became a issue with republicans it got changed ...I have debate this so many times some time one gets confused on who said what and when ... but i do remember you saying this very same thing ...I said to you that the freedom and information act only affects government documents, not private documents ... according to Hillary at that time her emails on her private server were considered private and not government documents ... then I also pointed out that there wasn't any firm law that said you can't have a private server... that law was changed in 2014 ... but you kept holding to this notion that some of her emails were classified ... I pointed out to you, at the time, accordimng to the FBI and not FOX news, that they haven't found any classified or top secret emails on her server at that time .... and they still haven't ... but you still insisted she was a criminal that she violated a law ... at that time I ask for this law you speak of and I believe you posted it... then I pointed out where you were wrongdid you accuse hillary of violating the classified and top secret laws ??? the law where you claim by having a private server violated that law ??? where not only did you quoted the law but you posted it here on some of the threads ??/ if you didn't then I stand in errorClassified documents? I think you're confusing me with someone
No, I didn't. You may remember me from a discussion on that, but I never said what specific law she violated so you're definitely confusing me with someone. I argued that anyone who works with or for government knows about the extensive requirements on government for record keeping due to laws like the freedom of information act
1) It's not possible the Secretary of State didn't know that
2) Everyone in her office would know that, obviously she kept it secret. Why would she say nothing if she didn't know it was wrong?
3) The people who set it up knew it was wrong or they would have asked her to connect them with the State Department IT as that would be a lot easier to work with them to set something like that up
But I didn't argue the specific laws or any specific laws. If you knew what you were talking about you would just look at the list above and say yeah, clearly
I never argued the point about the "classified" documents, I said you can't do what she did, period. That documents conducting any business (classified or not) for her job are "private" is categorically ridiculous. That is the point I argued.
All your arguments over "classified documents" were with other people. That point is irrelevant, she can't do it, period. She knows that, the people in her office know that, and her IT people setting it up knew that. If she really had been innocent, she wouldn't have hidden it. Apparently the FBI knows that too. It's just you who don't.
I spent my career in commercial consulting, but I did do two government projects. One was for DARPA. The actual inventor of the Internet, sorry Al Gore. One of the projects I led for them was setting up procedures for keeping documents for the freedom of information act. As a research organization, those processes were to be rolled out across the government. They were setting up to keep freaking everything. That was in the mid 90s in the middle of Slick's Presidency.
You have never taken a crap?So, you are ready to give the land back to the natives?
I'm all for it. After all, I am a full blood Seminole. We never polluted the land.
You have never taken a crap?So, you are ready to give the land back to the natives?
I'm all for it. After all, I am a full blood Seminole. We never polluted the land.
No problem there is it? That fertilizes the soil.
Guffaw!!! Far left? There is no far left in America. There is no far right. No one is sophisticated enough for either direction. Would that there were! Then, the real contrasts might be obvious even to the blissfully naîve Americans.
Any Liberals care to argue that the Founders presented us with a Fascist nation?
No?
As I said....when FDR looked around for economic policies to follow, where did Roosevelt turn? Mussolini. Fascism.
See where I'm going with the title " The Death Throes of Democracy"?
A bit more proof? Sure.
5. Roosevelt and his New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)
"Rex Tugwell, FDR's economic adviser, was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Perkins (Sec'y of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
(Better look up who Francis Perkins was, Libs....)
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system."
a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.
b. "Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.48
6. People were beginning to recognize the fascist nature of the National Recovery Administration(NRA), code when they saw "... the jailing of a New Jersey tailor named Jack Magid, whose crime was pressing a suit for thirty-five cents when the code fixed the price at forty cents."
The Supreme Court, May 27, 1935, declared the NRA unconstitutional. (The court ruled that Congress had delegated the law-making authority to the President and the NRA.
The Supreme Court gave up its independenence shortly thereafter.
nothing like a far right wing writer telling us about FDR
1. There is no "far right" in this country....only a 'Far Left.'
2. I'm not 'telling you about FDR'....I'm teaching you.
The proof of same is that none of you brain-dead drones has found even one thing I've posted about him that is untrue nor inaccurate.
Hence....'teaching.'
come back when you really know what a liberal/Dem is... not some writes opinion on what a liberal/dem is
there isn't any law that says she can't ... thats the whole point here ... you missed it then and you keep missing it now ... thats why she took the rout she did ... you keep saying she can't have a private server for her private emails and thats not true ... there isn't any government laws at that time that says she can't .. you told me about your so-called job then and at that time I stated to you, where dose it says in the law that you can't have a private server for your private emails ... you couldn't come up with any law that said that ... you trying to buffalo us with your so-caled knowledge of a law that does't exist at that time ... so stop your bull shit there was a law against it then an because it became a issue with republicans it got changed ...I have debate this so many times some time one gets confused on who said what and when ... but i do remember you saying this very same thing ...I said to you that the freedom and information act only affects government documents, not private documents ... according to Hillary at that time her emails on her private server were considered private and not government documents ... then I also pointed out that there wasn't any firm law that said you can't have a private server... that law was changed in 2014 ... but you kept holding to this notion that some of her emails were classified ... I pointed out to you, at the time, accordimng to the FBI and not FOX news, that they haven't found any classified or top secret emails on her server at that time .... and they still haven't ... but you still insisted she was a criminal that she violated a law ... at that time I ask for this law you speak of and I believe you posted it... then I pointed out where you were wrongdid you accuse hillary of violating the classified and top secret laws ??? the law where you claim by having a private server violated that law ??? where not only did you quoted the law but you posted it here on some of the threads ??/ if you didn't then I stand in errorClassified documents? I think you're confusing me with someone
No, I didn't. You may remember me from a discussion on that, but I never said what specific law she violated so you're definitely confusing me with someone. I argued that anyone who works with or for government knows about the extensive requirements on government for record keeping due to laws like the freedom of information act
1) It's not possible the Secretary of State didn't know that
2) Everyone in her office would know that, obviously she kept it secret. Why would she say nothing if she didn't know it was wrong?
3) The people who set it up knew it was wrong or they would have asked her to connect them with the State Department IT as that would be a lot easier to work with them to set something like that up
But I didn't argue the specific laws or any specific laws. If you knew what you were talking about you would just look at the list above and say yeah, clearly
I never argued the point about the "classified" documents, I said you can't do what she did, period. That documents conducting any business (classified or not) for her job are "private" is categorically ridiculous. That is the point I argued.
All your arguments over "classified documents" were with other people. That point is irrelevant, she can't do it, period. She knows that, the people in her office know that, and her IT people setting it up knew that. If she really had been innocent, she wouldn't have hidden it. Apparently the FBI knows that too. It's just you who don't.
I spent my career in commercial consulting, but I did do two government projects. One was for DARPA. The actual inventor of the Internet, sorry Al Gore. One of the projects I led for them was setting up procedures for keeping documents for the freedom of information act. As a research organization, those processes were to be rolled out across the government. They were setting up to keep freaking everything. That was in the mid 90s in the middle of Slick's Presidency.
Even if a distance from center was shown in the example, the direction was not. The center itself is merely a claim, as well. You are, thus, entirely correct by your entirely personal criteria.
7. The Supreme Court, on May 27, 1935, declared the NRA unconstitutional. (The court ruled that Congress had delegated the law-making authority to the President and the NRA.
And that, my friends, was the impetus for the title, "The Death Throes of Democracy."
Because petty dictator Roosevelt wouldn't take no for an answer. He beat the Supreme Court until it hollered 'You are greater than the Constitution!"
".... the Supreme Court outlawed the NRA in 1935 and the AAA in 1936, earning Roosevelt’s eternal wrath and derision. Recognizing much of what Roosevelt did as unconstitutional, the “nine old men” of the Court also threw out other, more minor acts and programs which hindered recovery.
Freed from the worst of the New Deal, the economy showed some signs of life. Unemployment dropped to 18 percent in 1935, 14 percent in 1936, and even lower in 1937.
But by 1938, it was back up to nearly 20 percent as the economy slumped again. The stock market crashed nearly 50 percent between August 1937 and March 1938. The “economic stimulus” of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal had achieved a real “first”: a depression within a depression!" Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed
A reminder of what could/should have happened.....if Roosevelt actually wanted to end the recession/depression?
With Republican Harding’s tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy, the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway! The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell
"The seven years from the autumn of 1922 to the autumn of 1929," wrote Vedder and Gallaway, "were arguably the brightest period in the economic history of the United States."
Ignorant nonsense.The grave was dug by the Civil War. The failings of the Constitution caused that conflict. Succeeding generations of vicious intent aided by general apathy have nudged the nation into any grave we might talk about. The dirt has not yet been kick in over it. Something could happen to save it. People could wake up to responsibility and sanity. That won't be done by continuing the sad and tired dualism so rampant on the current scene.
What have you gone from your 1, 2 3, 4 post to A,B,C,D,E,F,G post which by they wall they are all full of bull shit1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.
American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.
....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.
2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.
a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."
b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."
This is a good time to consider two points about America:
a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?
b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?
3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....
a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed
b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com
It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.
She's lost this argument a dozen times on this forum, but keeps restarting it, as if she'll get a different outcome.
I think we know what that behaviour is the definition of.
"The Death Throes of Democracy"
lol
The demagoguery of the ridiculous right.
