The Democrat "Pot Vote"

[Vox]

Hemp has been used for ages and if even the plant is of the same genus it is not the same active substance in the plant which may or may not cause the impairments. smoking HEMP won't get you high as it does not contain THC.

If hemp can't get anyone high, then why is hemp an illegal narcotic under the Controlled Substances Act? Why does the DEA go around the country cutting down hemp and burning it?

Industrial hemp has always been the real target of "Marihuana" prohibition.

industrial hemp does not contain enough THC in order to get you "high".

it has CBD instead ( which actually counteracts the THC effects). so it is useless to smoke if you want to get high.

Why government is prohibiting it is question to the government - and since I consider the bureaucracy to be idiotic by default - it does not surprise me.

 

[KNB]

Darwinism in action? If the US had not legalized "Marihuana" in 1942, the US would have lost World War II. That's why "Marihuana" was legalized and the government encouraged Americans to grow it.

Do you really think that people weren't getting high in the 1940s? People have been getting high on weed since before ancient Greece, and there still haven't been any documented cases of lung cancer or overdose.

Do you enjoy your American "freedom"? Thank a pot grower.

 

[Duped]

you can enjoy the testicular cancer causes by your pot usage as well:

Compared with never use, ever use of marijuana had a 2-fold increased risk (OR, 1.94; 95% CI, 1.02-3.68

Population-based case-control study of recreational drug use and testis cancer risk confirms an association between marijuana use and nonseminoma risk - Lacson - 2012 - Cancer - Wiley Online Library

enjoy that joint

Wow. A "2-fold" RISK. Risk is NOT a diagnosis. How many of those people died from testicular cancer caused specifically by smoking marijuana?

And if smoking marijuana causes cancer, then why do doctors prescribe it to cancer patients?

I knew you are an idiot and do not understand the terminology of the scientific research.

Which only proves the initial postulate - constant stoning has killed your cognitive abilities.

next.

Present the research from different sources, and let the people do a risk / cost analysis - let them decide for themselves. Jumping out of planes is legal, and very dangerous compared to sitting on the recliner, and puffing on some weed. Why do people want to dictate - tell other, what they can do, and what they can't regarding THEIR health. We are the stewards of OUR bodies - don't piss on my parade WTF

Next will be what we eat - fuck that too!

 

[Vox]

I don't care what was in the 40s.

the research of the last 30+ years and especially the last 15 years has confirmed that marijuana is one of the extremely harmful substances and even if I support it's decriminalization ( other drugs as well) I am totally opposed it's legalization and glorification.

 

[Vox]

Wow. A "2-fold" RISK. Risk is NOT a diagnosis. How many of those people died from testicular cancer caused specifically by smoking marijuana?

And if smoking marijuana causes cancer, then why do doctors prescribe it to cancer patients?

I knew you are an idiot and do not understand the terminology of the scientific research.

Which only proves the initial postulate - constant stoning has killed your cognitive abilities.

next.

Present the research from different sources, and let the people do a risk / cost analysis - let them decide for themselves. Jumping out of planes is legal, and very dangerous compared to sitting on the recliner, and puffing on some weed. Why do people want to dictate - tell other, what they can do, and what they can't regarding THEIR health. We are the stewards of OUR bodies - don't piss on my parade WTF

Next will be what we eat - fuck that too!

did you check at least ONE link form the ones I provided?

Of course you did not as it will poke your THC bubble.

you want to do whatever you want without consideration of the public risks involved - rent an island for yourself and do whatever you want.

The risks of wide THC abuse are too high for the public health and is even higher than tobacco smoking ( as it goes in different directions) - we do not need another 50+ years to reap what we saw with the idiocy of glorification of the extremely harmful substance (as happened with tobacco smoking) and should PREVENT it.

 

[KNB]

Marijuana does not cause cancer, study finds:

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer -- ScienceDaily

Marijuana treats cancer, according to the National Institutes of Health:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/patient/page2

 

[Spoonman]

Marijuana does not cause cancer, study finds:

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer -- ScienceDaily

Marijuana treats cancer, according to the National Institutes of Health:
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute

interesting, since all smoke contains carcinogens

 

[Londoner]

And you're for huge big honking government if you agree with the war on drugs.

The War on Drugs and The War on Terrorism have concentrated more power and money in Washington than anything ever dreamed by FDR or LBJ.

The War on Drugs was a Reagan invention to beef up federal law enforcement, especially in the wake if the social upheavals of the 60s where State power was being routinely challenged and local law enforcement lacked the tools to effectively repress the citizenry. The Right, who traditionally sides with State Power, was on the side of Government in the 60s. They were also on the side of southern State Power against blacks during Jim Crow ... and then they were on the side of State Power during the denial of suffrage for woman (-they saw feminism as disrupting traditional family hierarchies). Wherever freedom has been limited for individual groups, the Right is usually on the side of state power, federal or local.

But the need for greater law enforcement after the turbulent 60s was apparent. Big Government needed a way to insulate its policies from public redress. After the Watts Riots and university disruptions from Berkeley all the way to Kent State and Cornell, Governor Reagan was among the rising crop of Republican Power Brokers who would one day create a Washington powerful enough to crush dissent. The War on Drugs became a crucial tool , giving the Fed massive new powers to watch, detain and incarcerate more Americans.

You need to understand the context. There was an entire generation of young people who were not buying into the steroidal globalism behind the growing interventions in places like southeast Asia and Latin America (regions that were eventually stripped of their economic freedom and forced into supplying western investors with ultra cheap labor and raw material). As usual, Republican voters believed Washington's Cold War freedom-narrative 100%; they wrapped themselves in flags and became dupes of the greatest expansion of government power in our lifetime (-the libertarian CATO institute created some great studies about how the Cold War actually grew Washington's power to the point where it could control not just the 50 states, but entire hemispheres. These studies were ultimately suppressed by Movement conservativism, a political force which otherwise supports libertarian policies fully).

America was using the soviet threat as a context to intervene in vital resource regions across the globe. Remember, capitalism is the most productive machine ever created by humankind. This makes it inherently expansionist. Meaning: once the oil runs out in Texas, you need to intervene in the Middle East. Both the Cold War and War on Terrorism were essential structures for building large military bases near the world's most important resources, oil chief among them.

As Reagan expanded Washington's power and budget so that it could be the primary protectorate of the newly formed global market system, he needed better tools for suppressing the dissent of people who stood in opposition to this radical expansion of government power. He needed massive federal agencies with very powerful law enforcement tools so that the nation didn't constantly replay the chaos of the 60s. He wanted something like the Patriot Act, which would give Washington Soviet-level surveillance over the domestic population. But he could not overcome the democratic opposition. The Republican dream of a Big Government Surveillance State would have to wait for Bush 43 - but the War in Drugs went a long way toward giving Washington the kind of concentrated law enforcement power that it sought.

 

[KNB]

Marijuana does not cause cancer, study finds:

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer -- ScienceDaily

Marijuana treats cancer, according to the National Institutes of Health:
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute

interesting, since all smoke contains carcinogens

The difference between marijuana and tobacco is that marijuana is not treated with additives and chemical pesticides to improve yield or preserve shelf-life. And Cannabidiol may play a role in actually bolstering the immune system.

Using a bong removes a good deal of the carcinogens from Cannabis smoke, but using a vaporizer removes even more. It's just THC/CBD-enriched air. And there isn't any lung damage caused by eating a cookie.

 

[Spoonman]

Marijuana does not cause cancer, study finds:

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use And Lung Cancer -- ScienceDaily

Marijuana treats cancer, according to the National Institutes of Health:
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute

interesting, since all smoke contains carcinogens

The difference between marijuana and tobacco is that marijuana is not treated with additives and chemical pesticides to improve yield or preserve shelf-life. And Cannabidiol may play a role in actually bolstering the immune system.

Using a bong removes a good deal of the carcinogens from Cannabis smoke, but using a vaporizer removes even more. It's just THC/CBD-enriched air. And there isn't any lung damage caused by eating a cookie.

so get the government out of tobacco and let the cigarette manufacturers go back to suing straight tobacco.

 

[KNB]

so get the government out of tobacco and let the cigarette manufacturers go back to suing straight tobacco.

Cigarette manufacturers were the ones advertising that tobacco was safe and cool while putting in the harmful, addictive chemicals that made tobacco cigarettes so terrible.

Marijuana is not treated with those chemicals. Hemp isn't even treated with those chemicals, so legalizing Cannabis Sativa again (both hemp and marijuana) will greatly reduce the amount of those chemicals used. Those chemicals are big business and the manufacturers want to keep it that way. That's why "Marihuana" is still illegal.

From the 1944 LaGuardia report to the 1972 report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, and now today with HR1635, the science continues to tell us that the "dangers" of "Marihuana" are overblown ridiculous fantasies used to scare a misguided public into voting against its own best interests.

Marijuana Timeline | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS
H.R.1635 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): National Commission on Federal Marijuana Policy Act of 2013 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The Land of the Free has more prisoners than any other country on Earth because "Marihuana" is illegal. That's why we're going to legalize it again.

 

[Spoonman]

so get the government out of tobacco and let the cigarette manufacturers go back to suing straight tobacco.

Cigarette manufacturers were the ones advertising that tobacco was safe and cool while putting in the harmful, addictive chemicals that made tobacco cigarettes so terrible.

Marijuana is not treated with those chemicals. Hemp isn't even treated with those chemicals, so legalizing Cannabis Sativa again (both hemp and marijuana) will greatly reduce the amount of those chemicals used. Those chemicals are big business and the manufacturers want to keep it that way. That's why "Marihuana" is still illegal.

From the 1944 LaGuardia report to the 1972 report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, and now today with HR1635, the science continues to tell us that the "dangers" of "Marihuana" are overblown ridiculous fantasies used to scare a misguided public into voting against its own best interests.

Marijuana Timeline | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS
H.R.1635 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): National Commission on Federal Marijuana Policy Act of 2013 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The Land of the Free has more prisoners than any other country on Earth because "Marihuana" is illegal. That's why we're going to legalize it again.

Wrong! how tobacco products are constituted are regulated by the federal government. it started with the government setting tar and nicotine levels, which are natural occurring elements in tobacco. they forced tobacco companies to strip these out of tobacco and then reconstitute them at the specified levels. light cigarettes were also a government driven product containing lower levels of tar.

 

[1776]

The same people pushing for pot are the ones you can find banning tobacco from bars, work, etc.

Yes...they are that stupid.

 

[jillian]

The same people pushing for pot are the ones you can find banning tobacco from bars, work, etc.

Yes...they are that stupid.

is anyone saying you should smoke pot IN a bar?

no.

you're welcome.

now what were you saying about stupid?

now tell the class how many beers you drink a week (or whatever your inebriant of choice is) and say how that is worse than pot and why we need to spend a fortune incarcerating people for no reason in order to pacify right-wingers.

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't believe the "Super Weed" argument.

If the production of pot is regulated it won't be dangerous.

 

[KNB]

What point are you trying to make? That tobacco companies aren't intentionally spiking their product with chemicals that are known to be addictive and cause cancer? That government regulations cause nearly 500,000 deaths PER YEAR in the US alone directly related to tobacco smoking?
CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Deaths from only smoking marijuana - 0.

 

[Londoner]

The difference between marijuana and tobacco is that marijuana is not treated with additives and chemical pesticides to improve yield or preserve shelf-life. And Cannabidiol may play a role in actually bolstering the immune system.

Using a bong removes a good deal of the carcinogens from Cannabis smoke, but using a vaporizer removes even more. It's just THC/CBD-enriched air. And there isn't any lung damage caused by eating a cookie.

You're too smart for this forum. I'm currently reading a friend's Ph.d about how the War on Drugs became a crucial tool for moving blacks from dismantled welfare programs to cages (prison cells). The study focuses on a lot of failed Johnson era welfare projects in places like NYC. By the late 70s places like NYC were hotbeds of crime, much of which came from the superfluous population left behind by deindustrialization (as the US moved production to cheaper labor markets in Asia). Couple this with a growing desire to dismantle welfare programs, and the problem of what to do with this superfluous population becomes even more grave. Needless to say, Reagan's promise to protect the propertied classes by expanding state law enforcement was, in some regards, welcomed by the population in general. Problem is, the war on drugs became an expensive farce. And now we have a pharmaceutical industry which routinely prescribes Adderall (meth) and Oxycontin (hillbilly heroin) along with a host of antidepressants and mood altering drugs which fundamentally damage brain chemistry in ways that THC doesn't. Unfortunately, the State does not want to relinquish the power that the war on drugs gives them, so there is no way to effectively expose the farce.

 

[mudwhistle]

The difference between marijuana and tobacco is that marijuana is not treated with additives and chemical pesticides to improve yield or preserve shelf-life. And Cannabidiol may play a role in actually bolstering the immune system.

Using a bong removes a good deal of the carcinogens from Cannabis smoke, but using a vaporizer removes even more. It's just THC/CBD-enriched air. And there isn't any lung damage caused by eating a cookie.

You're too smart for this forum. I'm currently reading a friend's Ph.d about how the War on Drugs became a crucial tool for moving blacks from dismantled welfare programs to cages (prison cells). The study focuses on a lot of failed Johnson era welfare projects in places like NYC. By the late 70s places like NYC were hotbeds of crime, much of which came from the superfluous population left behind by deindustrialization (as the US moved production to cheaper labor markets in Asia). Couple this with a growing desire to dismantle welfare programs, and the problem of what to do with this superfluous population becomes even more grave. Needless to say, Reagan's promise to protect the propertied classes by expanding state law enforcement was, in some regards, welcomed by the population in general. Problem is, the war on drugs became an expensive farce. And now we have a pharmaceutical industry which routinely prescribes Adderall (meth) and Oxycontin (hillbilly heroin) along with a host of antidepressants and mood altering drugs which fundamentally damage brain chemistry in ways that THC doesn't. Unfortunately, the State does not want to relinquish the power that the war on drugs gives them, so there is no way to effectively expose the farce.

The FDA started relaxing standards, and approving dangerous prescription drugs during the Clinton Administration. It has been getting worse every year, to the point that adverts for drugs spend more time talking about the terrible side-effects of the drug than the purpose of the drug. They figure if they tell you that taking the drug will make you suicidal or you'll die from Pancreatic-cancer from the drug you've been warned and everything is cool.

 

[1776]

Uh, they will smoke where tobacco is smoked.

Marijuana smoke is actually worse than tobacco in that is damaging to the brain and lungs, so smoking "weed" in public is a violation of others rights.

The point dumbfuck is you liberals go off on the dangers of tobacco yet praise a worse product for the body in weed.

The same people pushing for pot are the ones you can find banning tobacco from bars, work, etc.

Yes...they are that stupid.

is anyone saying you should smoke pot IN a bar?

no.

you're welcome.

now what were you saying about stupid?

now tell the class how many beers you drink a week (or whatever your inebriant of choice is) and say how that is worse than pot and why we need to spend a fortune incarcerating people for no reason in order to pacify right-wingers.

 

[ScienceRocks]

So I have the personal choice to do as I please within my room? That's good to hear