The Democrats white man problem

[Lysistrata]

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

The OP appears to separate out white, working-class male people from the whole rest of our population. If they are a unique group, they need to do a better job of defining their unique interests and needs and joining in.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yawn, guy, another book you read and didn't get the point of.

Okay, here's the thing. The real rewriting of history was when a guy who was known at the time he was alive for fucking his slaves was promoted as this great champion of freedom.

The real "Whitewashing" of history was when a revolt by the landed gentry against a benevolent parliament was turned into a fight for "Freedom".

Oh, I know exactly what 1984 was all about, and became more conscious of it when I became an adult and started to see the similarities between the book and the Democrat party. That's for giving us another example.

The left would love nothing more than to wipe out our history and the people responsible for our success today. It defies Socialism and Communism. If the left has their way, people won't be able to name one founder of this country 50 years from now.

He's not doing a bang up job. He inherited a pretty good economy won by 8 years of hard work by his predecessor.

It's not because of anything he's done, and the stuff he is doing - tariffs, tax cuts for rich people, deregulation - are going to have really bad consequences down the road, because they have every time they've been done.

He's doing a great job, and I'm sure Reagan is looking down and smiling.

Besides the economy, our foreign adversaries are taking notice. DumBama paid one hundred million for each American prisoner in Iran, and also included almost two for one trade of our Iranian prisoners. What did Trump pay for the Korean prisoners? Nothing. How many North Korean prisoners did he give to NK in exchange for our American prisoners? None.

Business and consumer confidence are at record highs. We are no longer the country with the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Regular working people keeping more of their paycheck, and tax time next year will be an added bonus.

The border has seen a dramatic decrease in crossers, and we are deporting more illegals than ever thanks to Trump's expansion of deportation courts; some of which he sent judges to the border to speed things up.

Getting rid of the Commie Care fines and laws that oppressed many of us not to mention businesses will give people the liberty from government they deserve. Just think, our female children won't even have to be sharing locker rooms and showers with weirdos who wear dresses to school. Oh, and did I mention the most recent news of the top five ISIS leaders being captured? Maybe we'll waterboard them.

 

[bendog]

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

I think the dem pro-union coalition began to fray with McGovern. Opening up unions to blacks wasn't always popular, but the union guys obeyed the draft law, came back, got time on pension for their military duty and got on with it. Unions were ok with Humphrey.

Suddenly the dems are open to kids whose parents could afford college, so they didn't get drafted, and unions are not big on the agenda. And we kids could find jobs in 1972, unlike now. Labor jobs. paying good.

Ironically its the gop that's pushed the end of unions.

I was not a big union guy and that was one reason I've generally voted for gop. But today's gop is a long way from 1972 or 80. We need multi nationals for jobs, nobody's really a socialist, unless they don't need a job and then they're for Sanders. LOL But the gop is about not raising anybody making over 250k's taxes. They'll give you "no abortion" and "no big gummit" but it's really about no more money for school and no help with healthcare.

 

[Lysistrata]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

Nothing. Because this is not the situation.Who has been behind increases in minimum wages, the repeal of "right to work for peanuts" laws? The immigrants are not taking jobs that Americans are begging for, unless you're keen on cleaning offices at night, hauling trash, harvesting fruits and vegetables, mowing lawns.

The filth like the state government trash that pushed union-busting and these dump laws are responsible. Look at what the kochs and the rest of the billionaires have been behind, your whore in the Oval Office, the store chains that shove their employees onto public benefits when the owners are making billions and teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet. These "invaders" responsible for so little of this mess. It's ridiculous to think that they are the ones responsible for wage suppression.

 

[Lysistrata]

Yawn, guy, another book you read and didn't get the point of.

Okay, here's the thing. The real rewriting of history was when a guy who was known at the time he was alive for fucking his slaves was promoted as this great champion of freedom.

The real "Whitewashing" of history was when a revolt by the landed gentry against a benevolent parliament was turned into a fight for "Freedom".

Oh, I know exactly what 1984 was all about, and became more conscious of it when I became an adult and started to see the similarities between the book and the Democrat party. That's for giving us another example.

The left would love nothing more than to wipe out our history and the people responsible for our success today. It defies Socialism and Communism. If the left has their way, people won't be able to name one founder of this country 50 years from now.

He's not doing a bang up job. He inherited a pretty good economy won by 8 years of hard work by his predecessor.

It's not because of anything he's done, and the stuff he is doing - tariffs, tax cuts for rich people, deregulation - are going to have really bad consequences down the road, because they have every time they've been done.

He's doing a great job, and I'm sure Reagan is looking down and smiling.

Besides the economy, our foreign adversaries are taking notice. DumBama paid one hundred million for each American prisoner in Iran, and also included almost two for one trade of our Iranian prisoners. What did Trump pay for the Korean prisoners? Nothing. How many North Korean prisoners did he give to NK in exchange for our American prisoners? None.

Business and consumer confidence are at record highs. We are no longer the country with the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Regular working people keeping more of their paycheck, and tax time next year will be an added bonus.

The border has seen a dramatic decrease in crossers, and we are deporting more illegals than ever thanks to Trump's expansion of deportation courts; some of which he sent judges to the border to speed things up.

Getting rid of the Commie Care fines and laws that oppressed many of us not to mention businesses will give people the liberty from government they deserve. Just think, our female children won't even have to be sharing locker rooms and showers with weirdos who wear dresses to school. Oh, and did I mention the most recent news of the top five ISIS leaders being captured? Maybe we'll waterboard them.

That bitch reagan would have to be looking UP to even think of smiling. Consumers are not exactly confident and the republicans are just looking for ways to open us up to even more scams and swindles.

Don't talk about protecting female children, when governments are trying to impose openly sectarian religious indoctrination into their brains and objects up their private parts, and ignore the perverts who chase them sexually. Welcome to Big Government.

As I said above, articulate the needs are of the distinct group composed of "white working class males." What is it that the rest of us supposed to be paying attention to? What is being ignored? We are all here together, you know. March, rally, publish position papers, go on talk shows, take part in debates.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"dude"? I explained your problem to you but you don't believe you have a problem...you just want the left to come up with new tricks to lure white males back into their coven. I'm a Viet combat veteran, boy. My eyes have seen what true communism is and how it rules it's victims. I was taught about the true America in the public schools in the 1950's when we'd just come out of a war against fascism. I've watched what's been done to my country and you sit there and tell me I'm "nuts". Fine...keep buying their bullshit but know that electing Trump was the first shot over the communist bow in our America and if they succeed in bringing him down, there will be a full-scale civil war....a shooting war and we will win it handily. If you choose to join your comrades on those gallows, so be it.

Most people just want an even playing field. Some go a little too far in their pursuit of it. Others are actually the insidious weasels that you seem to believe they all are, but most people who care about these things just want fairness. And let's face it; white guys have had it better than everyone else for quite a long time, possibly with the exception of the last few decades, where I think it has pretty much evened out (in terms of equal opportunity).

You went off the deep end long ago.

Considering we built this country I dont think it's to much to ask that we get a fair shake.
And the attacks on the white male is hardly a fair shake.

How are "we" not getting a fair shake? What is being denied you on account of your being white and male? Other than maybe a membership at Curves or some other bullshit no man would want anyway.

Affirmative action is hardly playing fair.
The person with the best qualifications should get the job or scholarship,not because of your skin color.

Affirmative actions has been pretty much irrelevant for a while now. Look it up.

I notice you never replied to my request for a link.
No need though,we both already know it's on going.

 

[initforme]

I truly don't believe EITHER party represents white MIDDLE class makes all that well. The dems used to but I really don't know what they stand for anymore they are all over the board on everything and the repubs if they had their way would say no social security no Medicare no paid sick days no paid maternity\paternity blah blah blah ..anything that helps a middle class worker....nope we can't have that because it hurts the rich too much(lie). it's getting time for a 3rd part someday. The current swamp is overflowing on both sides. It's never been so full.

 

[whitehall]

The working class white male was always an afterthought in the democrat party and so were women and blacks. The democrat party has been the party of the rich supported by the mainstream media since FDR. Everything you think you know about democrats is upside down and backwards. The KKK was the political muscle of the democrat party since FDR appointed a former KKK member to the Supreme Court. Every military adventure in the bloody 20th century happened during a democrat administration. Dying FDR handled WW2 so badly that we lost an entire Army in the Pacific in four months and Russia came out on top and the Iron Curtain became a political force. Timid Harry Truman couldn't face his own general in Korea and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in a three year quagmire at the cost of about 50,000 American lives. The media gave timid Harry a tickertape parade but the Vets didn't forget and Truman couldn't even get enough support in his own party for a 2nd full term. Everyone blamed Nixon for Vietnam but it was LBJ's war predicated on a lie. Hillary pretended that the democrat party was the party of the working class while she received about a quarter of a million dollars each for a couple of mystery speeches to Wall Street bankers. Barry Hussein pretended he was at war with corporations but that's where his money came from. Democrat union workers knew their leadership was corrupt but they kept voting democrat because daddy did and the only information available to them was filtered through the liberal media which has been the propaganda arm of the democrat party since Woody Wilson's wife was running the Country.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

Nothing. Because this is not the situation.Who has been behind increases in minimum wages, the repeal of "right to work for peanuts" laws? The immigrants are not taking jobs that Americans are begging for, unless you're keen on cleaning offices at night, hauling trash, harvesting fruits and vegetables, mowing lawns.

The filth like the state government trash that pushed union-busting and these dump laws are responsible. Look at what the kochs and the rest of the billionaires have been behind, your whore in the Oval Office, the store chains that shove their employees onto public benefits when the owners are making billions and teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet. These "invaders" responsible for so little of this mess. It's ridiculous to think that they are the ones responsible for wage suppression.

You better think again, because these foreigners are in all kinds of fields outside of picking fruit. That's just what the Democrats tell you to think.

I remember looking for a job in the big union days. During interviews, I would tell the person interviewing me I was not interested in joining a union. The reply I always got was if I didn't join the union, I can't have the job. That's what right-to-work was all about; giving us anti-union people an option to take a job we wanted to get without joining the filthy crooked union.

Businesses locate to places with low costs to them. So if we didn't have right-to-work states, those businesses would simply move out of the country like they've been the past few decades. Would you be happier then?

Liberals don't like choice. Choice means freedom. You think it's okay for unions to virtually take over running a business and telling them who they can or can't hire, and I say who the company hires is none of the business of the union. Let companies make their own decisions on who gets hired, who they should fire, and who gets promoted.

 

[Correll]

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

The OP appears to separate out white, working-class male people from the whole rest of our population. If they are a unique group, they need to do a better job of defining their unique interests and needs and joining in.

So, you like, COMPLETELY heard nothing during the last election.

 

[BluesLegend]

the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away.

No they didn't "drift away" they were driven off by Dem policies, legislation, and regulations that harmed the blue collar base. That cost them their jobs. That stifled job growth. That lowered their wages and increased their taxes. This is not a case of the Dem's not paying attention to the blue collar base, Dem's have been kicking them in the nuts trying to appease these other groups.

 

[Lysistrata]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

Nothing. Because this is not the situation.Who has been behind increases in minimum wages, the repeal of "right to work for peanuts" laws? The immigrants are not taking jobs that Americans are begging for, unless you're keen on cleaning offices at night, hauling trash, harvesting fruits and vegetables, mowing lawns.

The filth like the state government trash that pushed union-busting and these dump laws are responsible. Look at what the kochs and the rest of the billionaires have been behind, your whore in the Oval Office, the store chains that shove their employees onto public benefits when the owners are making billions and teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet. These "invaders" responsible for so little of this mess. It's ridiculous to think that they are the ones responsible for wage suppression.

You better think again, because these foreigners are in all kinds of fields outside of picking fruit. That's just what the Democrats tell you to think.

I remember looking for a job in the big union days. During interviews, I would tell the person interviewing me I was not interested in joining a union. The reply I always got was if I didn't join the union, I can't have the job. That's what right-to-work was all about; giving us anti-union people an option to take a job we wanted to get without joining the filthy crooked union.

Businesses locate to places with low costs to them. So if we didn't have right-to-work states, those businesses would simply move out of the country like they've been the past few decades. Would you be happier then?

Liberals don't like choice. Choice means freedom. You think it's okay for unions to virtually take over running a business and telling them who they can or can't hire, and I say who the company hires is none of the business of the union. Let companies make their own decisions on who gets hired, who they should fire, and who gets promoted.

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

The OP appears to separate out white, working-class male people from the whole rest of our population. If they are a unique group, they need to do a better job of defining their unique interests and needs and joining in.

So, you like, COMPLETELY heard nothing during the last election.

What I heard was, frankly, a bunch of meaningless drivel, interspersed with threatening, and sometimes filthy language from people who did not seem to have any manners at all and seemed to be having a temper tantrum. There was no content except for that they didn't like anyone else. They presented no case. A little studying might help. Just yesterday I saw a sign hung up in Calvert County, Md., that "liberals" should get their guns if they try to impeach the pig in the Oval Office. Now there have been two impeachments, or attempts in my lifetime. Both were carried out under very stringent procedures that are well set out, so there is never any reason to even mention guns at all. The person responsible for the sign must be a complete ignoramus. Same goes for the guy on USMB who keeps talking about "unelected judges," when it is clear from Article III of the U.S. Constitution that judges are nominated and appointed, and the guy who doesn't understand that the 14th Amendment even exists.

I could go on, but this is just crap, apparently made up on the spot.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

You mean the jobs Americans don't want to do.

A company I worked at used to have this place in the back where they packed out kits for customers. They used "contract labor", which were guys who clearly were not here legally.

Then a funny thing happened. A bigger company bought them out, and decided they didn't want the liability (This is when Obama was still in charge.) So they told the contractor labor company to only send people they could really verify.

So instead of undocumented workers who actually did a pretty good job... they brought in a bunch of white trash meth-heads who usually lasted until they got a paycheck and never showed up again. I wasn't with the company at that point, but someone who was described these people as "Truly Scary".

The reality is, if you have so few job skills that an uneducated person from Mexico is seriously competing for your job, you've failed pretty miserably at life.

Oh, I know exactly what 1984 was all about, and became more conscious of it when I became an adult and started to see the similarities between the book and the Democrat party. That's for giving us another example.

Um, no, guy, it's clear you missed the point of the book. It's really not about any political philosophy... it's about human nature.

The left would love nothing more than to wipe out our history and the people responsible for our success today. It defies Socialism and Communism. If the left has their way, people won't be able to name one founder of this country 50 years from now.

The problem is, these guys weren't responsible for our success. Frankly, it you weren't a plantation owner, living in 18th Century America KIND OF SUCKED.

The guys who made America great are Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, LBJ... guys you made sure the rest of us who weren't rich white property owning males had a fair shot at the goodies.

Besides the economy, our foreign adversaries are taking notice. DumBama paid one hundred million for each American prisoner in Iran, and also included almost two for one trade of our Iranian prisoners. What did Trump pay for the Korean prisoners? Nothing. How many North Korean prisoners did he give to NK in exchange for our American prisoners? None.

Why should we give a fuck about any of that. THese "hostages" were Iranians and Koreans who held American passports. The big deal was that we got a better deal than we would have gotten if the rest of the world lifted sanctions on Iran because the Jews don't run their countries. But Trump has blown that up. In North Korea, the rest of the world will pay Kim off to keep quiet, and he'll quietly keep making nukes.

Business and consumer confidence are at record highs. We are no longer the country with the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Regular working people keeping more of their paycheck, and tax time next year will be an added bonus.

Really? Okay. Carsons. Going out of business. Toys R Us. Going out of business. Sears. going out of business. Fuck, and then there's this.

Things are getting worse for one major retailer

Holy shit, if you can't make money off sexy underwear, you are doing it wrong.

The border has seen a dramatic decrease in crossers, and we are deporting more illegals than ever thanks to Trump's expansion of deportation courts; some of which he sent judges to the border to speed things up.

The number of crossers has been declining since 2011... This isn't news, buddy.

Getting rid of the Commie Care fines and laws that oppressed many of us not to mention businesses will give people the liberty from government they deserve.

Yeah, it's going to be funny when the One Pecent start screwing you harder and you wonder why.

 

[initforme]

America is about leaving a few scraps for the average working man while the uber wealthy bathe in cash. A modern version of feudal Times in reality. Chew on this fact.

 

[JoeB131]

So, you like, COMPLETELY heard nothing during the last election.

Again- Trump got less of a percentage of the vote than Romney did.

The last election proves you don't foist an unlikable candidate on people and then expect people to vote for her because the polls say she is going to win.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Corrupt Democratic Party has not just alienated white male voters, they have also alienated white female voters, suburban voters, rural voters, christian voters, patriotic voters, middle class voters, southern voters, midwestern voters, small business voters, law and order voters, family values voters....well you know, the economic and cultural core voters who make America a great country.

 

[Correll]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

Nothing. Because this is not the situation.Who has been behind increases in minimum wages, the repeal of "right to work for peanuts" laws? The immigrants are not taking jobs that Americans are begging for, unless you're keen on cleaning offices at night, hauling trash, harvesting fruits and vegetables, mowing lawns.

The filth like the state government trash that pushed union-busting and these dump laws are responsible. Look at what the kochs and the rest of the billionaires have been behind, your whore in the Oval Office, the store chains that shove their employees onto public benefits when the owners are making billions and teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet. These "invaders" responsible for so little of this mess. It's ridiculous to think that they are the ones responsible for wage suppression.

You better think again, because these foreigners are in all kinds of fields outside of picking fruit. That's just what the Democrats tell you to think.

I remember looking for a job in the big union days. During interviews, I would tell the person interviewing me I was not interested in joining a union. The reply I always got was if I didn't join the union, I can't have the job. That's what right-to-work was all about; giving us anti-union people an option to take a job we wanted to get without joining the filthy crooked union.

Businesses locate to places with low costs to them. So if we didn't have right-to-work states, those businesses would simply move out of the country like they've been the past few decades. Would you be happier then?

Liberals don't like choice. Choice means freedom. You think it's okay for unions to virtually take over running a business and telling them who they can or can't hire, and I say who the company hires is none of the business of the union. Let companies make their own decisions on who gets hired, who they should fire, and who gets promoted.

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

The OP appears to separate out white, working-class male people from the whole rest of our population. If they are a unique group, they need to do a better job of defining their unique interests and needs and joining in.

So, you like, COMPLETELY heard nothing during the last election.

What I heard was, frankly, a bunch of meaningless drivel, interspersed with threatening, and sometimes filthy language from people who did not seem to have any manners at all and seemed to be having a temper tantrum. ....ot.

Then you need to try harder to pay attention.


Because you just demonstrated that you haven't.


Paid any attention.

 

[Lysistrata]

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

Oh, you mean like the Democrats do when we point out how ignoring these foreigners invading our country are keeping wages down for working Americans?

Nothing. Because this is not the situation.Who has been behind increases in minimum wages, the repeal of "right to work for peanuts" laws? The immigrants are not taking jobs that Americans are begging for, unless you're keen on cleaning offices at night, hauling trash, harvesting fruits and vegetables, mowing lawns.

The filth like the state government trash that pushed union-busting and these dump laws are responsible. Look at what the kochs and the rest of the billionaires have been behind, your whore in the Oval Office, the store chains that shove their employees onto public benefits when the owners are making billions and teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet. These "invaders" responsible for so little of this mess. It's ridiculous to think that they are the ones responsible for wage suppression.

You better think again, because these foreigners are in all kinds of fields outside of picking fruit. That's just what the Democrats tell you to think.

I remember looking for a job in the big union days. During interviews, I would tell the person interviewing me I was not interested in joining a union. The reply I always got was if I didn't join the union, I can't have the job. That's what right-to-work was all about; giving us anti-union people an option to take a job we wanted to get without joining the filthy crooked union.

Businesses locate to places with low costs to them. So if we didn't have right-to-work states, those businesses would simply move out of the country like they've been the past few decades. Would you be happier then?

Liberals don't like choice. Choice means freedom. You think it's okay for unions to virtually take over running a business and telling them who they can or can't hire, and I say who the company hires is none of the business of the union. Let companies make their own decisions on who gets hired, who they should fire, and who gets promoted.

As a left leaning Independent, I tend to vote Democrat more than Republican, but it's high time the Democrats face a very unpleasant issue:

From the 40's to the 80's, my father was a working class, blue collar, pro union Democrat. The kind of guy the Democratic lawmakers could count on for their vote. Enter the Reagan revolution, and the landscape began to change. Democratic strategists began to take guys like my father for granted. Democrats began their feminist friendly, gay friendly, immigrant friendly, entitlement friendly, minority friendly march to the present day. Reaching out to these groups is all well and good up to a point, but in doing so, the Democratic party has allowed their once strong core of support to drift away. Today the working class white male feels like little more than an afterthought in the Democratic party. Democratic lawmakers and strategists had better find a way to reverse this exodus, or their problems will only get worse.


The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes

Democrats do a lot better on working-class issues than republicans, who either ignore or actively work to quell any discussion of wage stagnation, union busting and the notoriously badly named "right to work" laws, health care, jobs going overseas, consumer protection, etc.

The OP appears to separate out white, working-class male people from the whole rest of our population. If they are a unique group, they need to do a better job of defining their unique interests and needs and joining in.

So, you like, COMPLETELY heard nothing during the last election.

What I heard was, frankly, a bunch of meaningless drivel, interspersed with threatening, and sometimes filthy language from people who did not seem to have any manners at all and seemed to be having a temper tantrum. ....ot.

Then you need to try harder to pay attention.


Because you just demonstrated that you haven't.


Paid any attention.

How long should I waste my time on imbeciles who just repeat the same idiotic fantasies and "theories" every day and say nothing specific and nothing constructive? People who can't even answer the most simple questions and get their facts straight. People who make up outrageous stories about other people they don't even know. I live in an area with a huge mix of people, and the vast majority just work and live normal lives.

I notice that the header on this thread indicates that there is something different about white men, judging from the comments that the scope of the group being discussed consists of white men in the working class. But there is no indication that their situation is any different than that of women and people of other races who are also in the working class, and no one will say what special attention they require.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean the jobs Americans don't want to do.

A company I worked at used to have this place in the back where they packed out kits for customers. They used "contract labor", which were guys who clearly were not here legally.

Then a funny thing happened. A bigger company bought them out, and decided they didn't want the liability (This is when Obama was still in charge.) So they told the contractor labor company to only send people they could really verify.

So instead of undocumented workers who actually did a pretty good job... they brought in a bunch of white trash meth-heads who usually lasted until they got a paycheck and never showed up again. I wasn't with the company at that point, but someone who was described these people as "Truly Scary".

The reality is, if you have so few job skills that an uneducated person from Mexico is seriously competing for your job, you've failed pretty miserably at life.

And there you go, a perfect example.

A company did not want to pay good money to get good American help, so they paid little money to foreigners who got the same job done only cheaper. This is how foreigners are undercutting our wages. As long as industry can get those people to come here and work for nothing, of course they are not going to offer more money to Americans to get the same work done.

Um, no, guy, it's clear you missed the point of the book. It's really not about any political philosophy... it's about human nature.

No, it was a warning to all of us of what our country will become like if we don't resist the movement. It's happening right in front of us, it's just that people like you can't see it because you're a part of it.

The problem is, these guys weren't responsible for our success. Frankly, it you weren't a plantation owner, living in 18th Century America KIND OF SUCKED.

The guys who made America great are Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, LBJ... guys you made sure the rest of us who weren't rich white property owning males had a fair shot at the goodies.

It was a lot better of a place than any other around the world in the 18th century. The founders laid out the foundation of this country and that's something even you can't deny. To some degree, we are still living their plan today. The only problem we have are constitutional haters like you and your ilk when they get on the bench and rule against the Constitution instead of for it.

Why should we give a fuck about any of that. THese "hostages" were Iranians and Koreans who held American passports. The big deal was that we got a better deal than we would have gotten if the rest of the world lifted sanctions on Iran because the Jews don't run their countries. But Trump has blown that up. In North Korea, the rest of the world will pay Kim off to keep quiet, and he'll quietly keep making nukes.

You forget that Trump is not doing this for the media or to bolster his reelection bid even if he decides he wants a second term. Trump is doing this to bring peace to parts of the world by showing strength instead of weakness.

If Kim could quietly make nukes, he and his father would have been doing it for years.

Really? Okay. Carsons. Going out of business. Toys R Us. Going out of business. Sears. going out of business.

Yes they are, and it's all due to online competition. What do you want Trump to do about it, make online shopping illegal?

The number of crossers has been declining since 2011... This isn't news, buddy.

Utter bull.

Immigration statistics show largest increase in arrests in three years

Number of immigrants caught at Mexican border plunges 40% under Trump

Reps. McCaul, Goodlatte: Better border security and immigration enforcement is on the way

Yeah, it's going to be funny when the One Pecent start screwing you harder and you wonder why.

They were never screwing me before. They pay my share of income taxes in this country, give me work directly or indirectly, and allow me to be able to support myself. The government? They have a history of screwing the public.