The Dems just don't get it!

[Billo_Really]

"Are Liberals Helping Trump"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?mwrsm=Facebook

One facet of recent political life has been large-scale protests against Mr. Trump. They have been largely peaceful, but when there is violence, even on the fringes, it tends to reduce popular support for them, Professor Haidt said, citing recent research. And for many Trump voters, even peaceful protests are unsettling.

“I don’t have a problem with protesting as long as it’s peaceful, but this is destroying the country,” said Ann O’Connell, 72, a retired administrative assistant in Syracuse who voted for Mr. Trump. “I feel like we are in some kind of civil war right now. I know people don’t like to use those terms. But I think it’s scary.”

Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”
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I basically agree with that. But the jury is still out when it comes to Trump being the answer.

 

[Mac1958]

Bingo. The Regressive Left turned the party into a PC/Identity Politics caricature and gave the election away.

Are you claiming I'm PC? Really?

I don't think I know you enough to say. There are traditional, decent, honest, curious, open-minded, constructive liberals in the party. There are the Regressive Lefties. And then everything in between. It's the Regressives who have caused it so much damage. I don't know where you fall in there.
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[Mac1958]

"Are Liberals Helping Trump"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?mwrsm=Facebook

One facet of recent political life has been large-scale protests against Mr. Trump. They have been largely peaceful, but when there is violence, even on the fringes, it tends to reduce popular support for them, Professor Haidt said, citing recent research. And for many Trump voters, even peaceful protests are unsettling.

“I don’t have a problem with protesting as long as it’s peaceful, but this is destroying the country,” said Ann O’Connell, 72, a retired administrative assistant in Syracuse who voted for Mr. Trump. “I feel like we are in some kind of civil war right now. I know people don’t like to use those terms. But I think it’s scary.”

Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”
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I basically agree with that. But the jury is still out when it comes to Trump being the answer.

Yup. I don't think so, but I'm more than willing to be proven wrong.
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[Billo_Really]

I don't think I know you enough to say. There are traditional, decent, honest, curious, open-minded, constructive liberals in the party. There are the Regressive Lefties. And then everything in between. It's the Regressives who have caused it so much damage. I don't know where you fall in there.
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Well, allow me to give you a clue...

...anyone who's known me long enough, considers THIS, my theme song...

 

[Mac1958]

I don't think I know you enough to say. There are traditional, decent, honest, curious, open-minded, constructive liberals in the party. There are the Regressive Lefties. And then everything in between. It's the Regressives who have caused it so much damage. I don't know where you fall in there.
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Well, allow me to give you a clue...

...anyone who's known me long enough, considers THIS, my theme song...

That's a good sign.
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[Billo_Really]

Yup. I don't think so, but I'm more than willing to be proven wrong.
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I'm not going to judge Trump on one month in office; but I do judge the Democrats on every election since JFK.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bernie was supposed to be that guy. I don't think he would have humiliated the party, Trump is in a league all his own.

I just figured it out! You hate Jews!

 

[Billo_Really]

Which is exactly why Trump was elected.
RINO's promised action on conservative ideals before the midterms and they promptly shit on us when we elected them.

That would be a good topic for another thread...

Blue Dogs vs RINO's​

...who sucks more?

 

[Tehon]

Bernie was supposed to be that guy. I don't think he would have humiliated the party, Trump is in a league all his own.

I just figured it out! You hate Jews!

Excuse me?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You might want to rethink that....

The student Left’s culture of intolerance is creating a new generation of conservatives

I did not support what went down at Berkley. But you might want think twice about who is intolerant to who, when you consider the current President has silenced all government dept's and banned them from issuing any press releases or emails to the media. You've never seen a democratic President do that.

Millennials more conservative than you may think - CNN.com

From your link...

"So the current view of millennials as liberals might be due to their age -- young people are more likely to be liberal. But if you compare young people now to young people in previous decades, those now are more conservative," she said.
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...but they're still liberal. I, myself, have a conservative side. I don't believe in handouts. I've had a job from the day I got my learners permit to now. I don't believe in living your life at the expense of others. But I'm still a liberal.

A New Generation of Conservatives Is on the Rise, Study Finds

From your link...

"59% of young people responding to the survey said their opinions on same-sex marriage, transgender rights and marijuana was either “conservative” or “moderate” – a drastic swing from Millennials and members of “Generation X”, more than 80% of whom said their opinion was either “quite liberal” or “very liberal”"​

This is an example of the conservative movement becoming more liberal, than it is the other way around.

How can you possibly think conservatism is starting to lean left when Trump just got elected?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Democrats in this country still don't get the fact that they are not going to win anything until they stop kissing the butt of the same sponsors the Reps are kissing and start acting in concert with the real liberal and progressive movements in this country.

The Crisis within the Democratic Party
In one of the most striking political comebacks in U.S. history, the Republican Party marched in lockstep to victory in the midterm elections and seized control of the House of Representatives and state houses across the nation. Republicans made a battle plan, they disciplined their troops, and the corporations paid for the ammunition.​

Unless the Democrats do something drastically differently during the next two years, the rich and powerful will cement their victory around the body of democracy and dump the barrel of freedom into the deep dark waters of cash politics where it will be lost forever.​

The biggest reason the Dems are in the position they are in now, is because liberals can see them for what they really are, which is just the flip side of the republican coin. And you're not going to get liberals, progressives or millennials to vote for you until you stop bailing out Wall Street, suppressing constitutional rights, voting for wars of aggression and compromising with the rich and powerful fascists that run this country.

Look at all the protests across this country today, that's not just because people can't stand right wing representatives, it's because YOU DEMS dropped the ball on democracy!

 

[Harry Dresden]

If there were really brown shirts, those riots would have gone quite differently.

I guess in this country they'd be called "red-shirts"? And yeah, they were there. Just like when they "corralled" all those people on inauguration day. Just like when they pepper sprayed occupy movement protesters in the face. Just like when they shot that congresswoman in the face in Arizona.

You've never heard anyone on the left saying, "Well, maybe we should settle this, with our 2nd amendment rights!" There's no such thing as "left wing militias". You don't see the left starting wars of aggression.

The right is all about violence and if there is violence at a protest rally, it probably started with some right wing asshole who was being paid by Freedom Works.

so if a right winger yells out at a protest rally..."fuck these signs,start breaking things"......its his fault if everyone starts breaking things and gets violent?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Liberals need to be even more liberal......when that blows up in their face who are they going to blame next? Hell they are running out of boogiemen to pin the blame on.

Why would it blow up when 2 out of 3 millennials are liberals? Why would it blow up when our numbers are increasing? And why would it blow up when we all see your "blame game" mantra is just bullshit?

The right never accepts responsibility for the shit things they do. The right is just a bunch of irresponsible babies who don't have the stones to take ownership over the things they do and say. That's why you try to project your problems on to the left. It's not boogeymen, it's all the fucked things you are doing to this country, that the left is up in arms about.

And the Dems need to catch the fuckin' clue, they're not going to get votes from the growing liberal population, by kowtowing to the right.

it's all the fucked things you are doing to this country, that the left is up in arms about.
lots of righties feel that way about the left billy....but when one is a far righty or lefty....they cant see that,because its all about them and what they believe.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Go ahead and be cocky .

Truth is that the GOP barley fended off races in red districts . The Dems gained a seat in the senate , and trump is really a 3 party candidate.

Now the left leaning base is pissed off to high hell . There will Be more elections .

How can Trump be a "3 party candidate" when he just got done saying he only represents his constituents? What we have, is the President of the United States, that only represents republicans.

not all republicans are backing the guy.....and we had obama who only represented those who backed him and we had bush who only represented those who backed him......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why are so many of you guys (seemingly) trying to help the leftardz fix their problems?

If an enemy is in the process of falling on their sword... don't stand in their way.

Why does the right always think in terms of "us and them"? Are you saying we're the enemy? If we're not conservative, then we have to be killed? The left haven't carried swords since the protest movement against the Vietnam War.

And finally, I'm a liberal. I don't know what the fuck you mean by "leftardz".

Why does the right always think in terms of "us and them"?
and the left does not do that?.....seriously billy you should get out more....

 

[Tom Horn]

Letting pervs into women's restrooms ain't the way to win hearts and minds....neither is murdering millions of babies, or picking industries to destroy (oil, coal, guns). We don't want communism, won't pretend "climate-change" is real, or believe letting lunatic muslims into the country isn't going to literally BLOW UP in our faces. Hillary is a stinking criminal but Trump would have beaten any of the other fascist hacks in that party....we're all done with the America haters.

 

[ding]

WTF does that have to do with this thread?

You mean that isn't the direction the Democratic Party should take? I thought that was what you were implying. My bad.

 

[P@triot]

Kudos to you for recognizing that the Dumbocrats do in fact suppress constitutional rights. But shame on you for not recognizing that suppressing constitutional rights is the entire reason why liberals/progressives/millennials/hatriots vote for them in the first place. The left is all about forcing their ideology on society. They abhor liberty, freedom, choice, etc.

That's a little hard to believe when you consider all the executive orders that were signed this past month.

Every EO that President Trump has signed were not only constitutional - but advanced liberty. One reduced regulations on small business. One reduced regulations on Obamacare. One allowed businesses to build the Keystone Pipeline (which marxist Obama had been blocking for 8 years). The list goes on and on and on.

Give a SINGLE example of a President Trump EO that reduced freedom/liberty/choice.

 

[P@triot]

The reason Democrats are where they are is they sat back and allowed Republicans to seize control of local and state governments Wasn't worth the bother

And that is the reason why Dumbocrats are where they are today. Their focus on nationalism like the good little fascists they are. Look at wrongwinger here stating that they only focus on the federal government and that state and local governments "aren't worth the bother".

They honestly believe that federal control means total control. Having never read the U.S. Constitution (due to their contempt for it), they have no concept of the vertical separation of powers. The state and local governments actually have exponentially more power than the federal government (which is explicitly restricted to 18 enumerated powers only).

The hatriots are a complete and total mess right now. They literally have no idea about the law, how their government functions, they have zero candidates that the American people can stomach, and the more they resort to violence and rioting, the more the American people are disgusted with them.

 

[P@triot]

Letting pervs into women's restrooms ain't the way to win hearts and minds....neither is murdering millions of babies, or picking industries to destroy (oil, coal, guns). We don't want communism, won't pretend "climate-change" is real, or believe letting lunatic muslims into the country isn't going to literally BLOW UP in our faces. Hillary is a stinking criminal but Trump would have beaten any of the other fascist hacks in that party....we're all done with the America haters.

At the end of the day - people see hatriots for exactly what they are: pure evil. No decent person supports and celebrates the systematic slaughter of millions of babies. No decent person supports and celebrates mentally disturbed, sexually deviant monsters having unfettered access to women and little girls.