The Dems & the GOP - Peas in a pod, again

[Mac1958]

Once again, I post a thread and two incredibly predictable things happen:

1. I don't have to name ANY names.

2. They all pile in to perfectly illustrate my points for me.
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[G.T.]

Policy people


THAT is what matters. Behavior is a DISTANT 2nd place.

Leadership is the driver that gets us Policy. When the Potus is some sorta goofy salesman/celebrity, the partisans are gunna have a field day of either fan-worshipping or vehemently opposing him(or her), and not give any middle ground because the partisan-sphere requires a tragedy for middle-ground to occur, shy of a truly inspiring person in a Leadership position.

Every president is "opposed" by half the people in congress. Good ideas/bad ideas don't change because someone can wrangle cats.

Again, almost the only thing that matters is policy.

the policy they cant pass when theyre poor leaders?

 

[dblack]

Republicans have core principles while Democrats have none.

Like what?

Allowing people to openly express their opinions is number one with Republicans, along with gun ownership. If some socialist/progressive promises free tuition we ask how are you gonna pay for it.

We believe in life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

Hmm.. I haven't noticed that. Are you sure the rest of your party agrees?

 

[FA_Q2]

The fact that someone else's principles don't align with yours doesn't mean they don't have principles.

Seriously, I really would think that something this obvious wouldn't even need to be said.
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Really? Isn't that the very example of tribalism you're reinforcing?

Most everyone has principles.

Claiming that my tribe does and yours doesn't is an example of tribalism.
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There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
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It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

 

[dblack]

Republicans have core principles while Democrats have none.

Like what?

Like free tra... Nevermind. Small gover... wait.

Good question.

Yep. It's all falling away pretty rapidly.

 

[Mac1958]

Really? Isn't that the very example of tribalism you're reinforcing?

Most everyone has principles.

Claiming that my tribe does and yours doesn't is an example of tribalism.
.

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

Yeah, there has to be something that can be fixed in that process, a way that the extremes have less influence on both candidates and issues.

At the same time, that hasn't always been needed. We've allowed this to get shittier and shittier with time.

(I'd like to point out that the USMB spellchecker is fine with "shittier")
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[dblack]

Most everyone has principles.

Claiming that my tribe does and yours doesn't is an example of tribalism.
.

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

Yeah, there has to be something that can fixed in that process, a way that the extremes have less influence on both candidates and issues.

At the same time, that hasn't always been needed. We've allowed this to get shittier and shittier with time.

(I'd like to point out that the USMB spellchecker is fine with "shittier")
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I still think the problem is baked into our election system. Ranked choice voting would go a long way toward promoting consensus, rather than partisanship.

 

[Mac1958]

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

Yeah, there has to be something that can fixed in that process, a way that the extremes have less influence on both candidates and issues.

At the same time, that hasn't always been needed. We've allowed this to get shittier and shittier with time.

(I'd like to point out that the USMB spellchecker is fine with "shittier")
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I still think the problem is baked into our election system. Ranked choice voting would go a long way toward promoting consensus, rather than partisanship.

Yeah, it seems like there's some momentum for that right now.
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[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
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Oh Mac what motivates you to be blind to your own behavior?

If you're not going to change any minds why start thread after thread after thread after thread about how bad the political parties are but oh, you're so much better?

 

[Mac1958]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
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Oh Mac what motivates you to be blind to your own behavior?

If you're not going to change any minds why start thread after thread after thread after thread about how bad the political parties are but oh, you're so much better?

Gosh, I just don't know!
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[Papageorgio]

Really? Isn't that the very example of tribalism you're reinforcing?

Most everyone has principles.

Claiming that my tribe does and yours doesn't is an example of tribalism.
.

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

I couldn't agree more. The primaries are hard swings to the extreme and then the summer of the election is trying to win the middle. The extremists on both sides are dictating who we get in office and leads to the lesser of two evils. I went third party because I hate voting for the lesser of two evils, why in the hell would anyone vote for evil?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's always fun to point out how similar our two "major" parties can be in their behaviors. No, not issues, behaviors (I put that in bold there).

And, as if to illustrate the point yet again, the Democrats are jumping in by essentially splitting into two pieces for our amusement.

Remember about four and eight years ago, when the the Tea Party Republicans were running around, threatening to "primary" anyone who wasn't pure and obedient? And remember about four years ago, when those same Republicans were shit-canning people like Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan and John Kasich because the party had passed them by?

We'll here we go again, from the kids on the the other side!

Democrats threatening to primary each other:
Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Democrat leaders losing tough with their new whacked-out base:
'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats
Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Know Who The Democratic Party Is Anymore | HuffPost

Seriously, this is almost unfair, it's so easy. The two ends of the spectrum can be so damn similar in their behaviors!


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Humans acting like...other humans? Weird!

 

[dblack]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
.

Oh Mac what motivates you to be blind to your own behavior?

If you're not going to change any minds why start thread after thread after thread after thread about how bad the political parties are but oh, you're so much better?

People are starting to wake up. I think it's a worthwhile effort. I realize those of you deeply invested in your party might not see it, but it's happening.

 

[Mac1958]

Most everyone has principles.

Claiming that my tribe does and yours doesn't is an example of tribalism.
.

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

I couldn't agree more. The primaries are hard swings to the extreme and then the summer of the election is trying to win the middle. The extremists on both sides are dictating who we get in office and leads to the lesser of two evils. I went third party because I hate voting for the lesser of two evils, why in the hell would anyone vote for evil?

Well, here's hoping a new option shows up soon.

I just don't know how.
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[Fort Fun Indiana]

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

I couldn't agree more. The primaries are hard swings to the extreme and then the summer of the election is trying to win the middle. The extremists on both sides are dictating who we get in office and leads to the lesser of two evils. I went third party because I hate voting for the lesser of two evils, why in the hell would anyone vote for evil?

Well, here's hoping a new option shows up soon.

I just don't know how.
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Public financing of elections!

 

[Mac1958]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
.

Oh Mac what motivates you to be blind to your own behavior?

If you're not going to change any minds why start thread after thread after thread after thread about how bad the political parties are but oh, you're so much better?

People are starting to wake up. I think it's a worthwhile effort. I realize those of you deeply invested in your party might not see it, but it's happening.

Hey, you must think you're better than everyone else!

NO WAY

I'M BETTERER THAN YOU
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[FA_Q2]

There are simple facts in politics that we have to face up to.
There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the degenerates vote for the commies in the Democrat Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part, most of the ___________ vote for the _________ in the _____________ Party. Purely out of hatred for someone or something.

Thanks. Way to unknowingly nail the point of the OP, genius.

It just doesn't stop, y'know?
.

It does not as long as what mudwhistle said is true, and it is. The last part that is.

People tend to vote because they fear or hate the other side. As long as we vote based on the lesser of two evils because the other guy eats babies every night Trump is what we will end up with.

I used to think it was a core problem of having parties but I am not so sure that is where the problem lies. I think it is more a problem with how the parties select their candidates. The primaries, by FAR the most important time to vote, are ignored by almost anyone that is not a partisan 'winger' leaving the rest of us to chose from candidates that have done nothing but play to the extremes and have been vetted by them. By then, it is just a matter of convincing the rest of us that the other guy is more extreme than they are.

We get what we deserve and an apathetic electorate deserves Trump.

Yeah, there has to be something that can fixed in that process, a way that the extremes have less influence on both candidates and issues.

At the same time, that hasn't always been needed. We've allowed this to get shittier and shittier with time.

(I'd like to point out that the USMB spellchecker is fine with "shittier")
.

I still think the problem is baked into our election system. Ranked choice voting would go a long way toward promoting consensus, rather than partisanship.

In this I agree. We have needed ranked voting for awhile now. It comes right back to an apathetic electorate. We will never see change until we start taking responsibility and, unfortunately, we will not take responsibility until it is really bad and likely far to late. This is the problem with having a system that is wildly successful.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why the focus on BEHAVIOR Mac?

From my perspective it would appear that you are trying to avoid the shit that actually matters. You know, the outlandish shit your new party is trying to push on AMERICANS

I dunno. I've just always been fascinated by behaviors and motivations.

When person A insults person B, I don't think about the insult or person B, I wonder about person A and their motivation for needing to insult.

I guess that's just the way my little brain works.

It's not like I'm going to change any minds with these silly "debates" here. You don't really think YOU are, do you? And do you really derive anything positive from insulting and name-calling? I doubt it.
.

Oh Mac what motivates you to be blind to your own behavior?

If you're not going to change any minds why start thread after thread after thread after thread about how bad the political parties are but oh, you're so much better?

Gosh, I just don't know!
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Don't you? You say behavior and motivations fascinate you but you can't figure out your most base motivations?

Well this is often the case though.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I went third party because I hate voting for the lesser of two evils, why in the hell would anyone vote for evil?

And yet you did. Your protest vote was actually a vote for the candidate you least preferred between clinton and trump.