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From an experiment performed by some social scientists in 2001.
I believe I do know more about conservatives than they know about liberals. Here are three elemental principles, or fundamental beliefs, of conservatives:They had subjects identify themselves as either liberals or conservatives... The groups filled out questionnaires about their own beliefs and how they interpreted the beliefs of their opposition. They then rated how much insight their opponents possessed. The results showed liberals believed they knew more about conservatives than conservatives knew about liberals. The conservatives believed they knew more about liberals than liberals knew about conservatives. Both groups thought they knew more about their opponents than their opponents knew about themselves.
- Our economic system is fundamentally fair. It rewards hard work and initiative, and punishes laziness and ineptitude. Rich people deserve to be rich, and poor people deserve to be poor.
- The government is fundamentally bad. First because it disrupts the natural outcomes of the free market, and second because it lacks free market discipline, and is therefore inefficient and corrupt.
- When the government disrupts the natural outcomes of the market, it disincentivizes hard work and initiative, and creates a "free ride" mentality among the people.
There are more, of course, but these are three that more or less unite conservatives. (Others divide them.)
My predictions are these: 1.) That the majority-conservatives on this board may nit-pick, but they'll agree that these are three fundamental beliefs of the conservative movement; and 2.) that few, if any, of the conservatives on this board will be able to articulate liberal principles in a way that liberals themselves will agree to.
From an experiment performed by some social scientists in 2001.
They had subjects identify themselves as either liberals or conservatives... The groups filled out questionnaires about their own beliefs and how they interpreted the beliefs of their opposition. They then rated how much insight their opponents possessed. The results showed liberals believed they knew more about conservatives than conservatives knew about liberals. The conservatives believed they knew more about liberals than liberals knew about conservatives. Both groups thought they knew more about their opponents than their opponents knew about themselves.
I believe I do know more about conservatives than they know about liberals. Here are three elemental principles, or fundamental beliefs, of conservatives:
- Our economic system is fundamentally fair. It rewards hard work and initiative, and punishes laziness and ineptitude. Rich people deserve to be rich, and poor people deserve to be poor.
- The government is fundamentally bad. First because it disrupts the natural outcomes of the free market, and second because it lacks free market discipline, and is therefore inefficient and corrupt.
- When the government disrupts the natural outcomes of the market, it disincentivizes hard work and initiative, and creates a "free ride" mentality among the people.
There are more, of course, but these are three that more or less unite conservatives. (Others divide them.)
My predictions are these: 1.) That the majority-conservatives on this board may nit-pick, but they'll agree that these are three fundamental beliefs of the conservative movement; and 2.) that few, if any, of the conservatives on this board will be able to articulate liberal principles in a way that liberals themselves will agree to.
This is ridiculous. Go to a Tea Party rally and just about every one is on Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. The number one and number two things that unifies Conservatives is race and religion. Believe it.
From an experiment performed by some social scientists in 2001..
They had subjects identify themselves as either liberals or conservatives... The groups filled out questionnaires about their own beliefs and how they interpreted the beliefs of their opposition. They then rated how much insight their opponents possessed. The results showed liberals believed they knew more about conservatives than conservatives knew about liberals. The conservatives believed they knew more about liberals than liberals knew about conservatives. Both groups thought they knew more about their opponents than their opponents knew about themselves.
I believe I do know more about conservatives than they know about liberals. Here are three elemental principles, or fundamental beliefs, of conservatives:
- Our economic system is fundamentally fair. It rewards hard work and initiative, and punishes laziness and ineptitude. Rich people deserve to be rich, and poor people deserve to be poor.
- The government is fundamentally bad. First because it disrupts the natural outcomes of the free market, and second because it lacks free market discipline, and is therefore inefficient and corrupt.
- When the government disrupts the natural outcomes of the market, it disincentivizes hard work and initiative, and creates a "free ride" mentality among the people.
There are more, of course, but these are three that more or less unite conservatives. (Others divide them.)
My predictions are these: 1.) That the majority-conservatives on this board may nit-pick, but they'll agree that these are three fundamental beliefs of the conservative movement; and 2.) that few, if any, of the conservatives on this board will be able to articulate liberal principles in a way that liberals themselves will agree to.
What's strikes me about conservatives on this board - not all, but many of them - is how angry they are, how quick they are to resort to personal attacks, and how often what they have to say seems to be little more than regurgitation from Rush/Beck/Drudge, etc.
What's strikes me about conservatives on this board - not all, but many of them - is how angry they are, how quick they are to resort to personal attacks, and how often what they have to say seems to be little more than regurgitation from Rush/Beck/Drudge, etc.
They simply dish out what they have been subjected to your years. I've been posting on political bulletin boards for at least 15 years, and I have been the target of incessant bile and ad hominems. When I first started this hobby, I thought liberals could be reasoned with. I've learned otherwise.
Here's a reality check, it all boils down to this:
Today's conservatives believe that it boils down to self sufficiency & hard work
Today's liberals believe it is our obligation to create opportunities for everyone
Here's a reality check, it all boils down to this:
Today's conservatives believe that it boils down to self sufficiency & hard work
Today's liberals believe it is our obligation to create opportunities for everyone
Close. I think. It's phrased to sound like liberals don't value hard work and sufficiency. We do. Very much. But we also know that that is pointless without an opportunity to use it.
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Here's a reality check, it all boils down to this:
Today's conservatives believe that it boils down to self sufficiency & hard work
Today's liberals believe it is our obligation to create opportunities for everyone
Close. I think. It's phrased to sound like liberals don't value hard work and sufficiency. We do. Very much. But we also know that that is pointless without an opportunity to use it.
This is ridiculous. Go to a Tea Party rally and just about every one is on Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. The number one and number two things that unifies Conservatives is race and religion. Believe it.
It may sound harsh to many, but I'm all good with that. Do we have a moral obligation to support those that CANNOT work? Sure! But it should not be legislated & enforced at the point of a sword...
few, if any, of the conservatives on this board will be able to articulate liberal principles in a way that liberals themselves will agree to.
(1) Fairness
(2) Harm-reduction
John Haidt
The rest are details.
I think you need more elaboration than that. Are conservatives against "fairness" and "harm-reduction"?
No. We believe everyone has at least a few, but some have way more than others, and that the more opportunities everyone has, the better we are as a country. I think some conservatives believe everyone in this country has the exact same opportunities as everyone else, and that's simply not true.Liberals believe that most people don't have any opportunities unless government steps in to essentially give them that opportunity, conservatives believe that every opportunity is out there for the taking without government help.
Also, liberals may value hard work, but they sure don't promote it. 2 years worth of unemployment checks, unions that ensure you do as little work as possible, making laziness as comfortable as possible. How does that promote hard work ethics?
It may sound harsh to many, but I'm all good with that. Do we have a moral obligation to support those that CANNOT work? Sure! But it should not be legislated & enforced at the point of a sword...
It does sound harsh. It also sounds like a recipe for a weak economy. Much of what I think in relation to helping the downtrodden is based on economics. People without money and without opportunities don't benefit the economy. In fact, they tend to turn to desperate measures to support themselves, like drugs and robbery. Not good. We could spend money on cops and jails, or we could spend money on giving those people opportunities. I vote for opportunities.
But also, those who cannot work should be taken care of. We all agree on this. However, virtually no conservative thinks that should be the responsibility of the government. They almost all want the family or the church to do the supporting. That's all fine and good, but in a modern America, it's just not realistic. More and more people don't belong to churches, not that churches these days could support that many people, and, again, economically, many families simply can't support someone like they could in the 1950s. It would bankrupt them and that's not good for the economy or the country.
Liberals view govt as good. They see govt as a force that could bring good to the world. Ease the suffering of those that suffer. They feel that those who are wealthy have an obligation to those without. They dont trust that peoples self intrest can direct the economy in a good way. They distrust human desire and despise greed.
Am I getting close to a liberal mindset in a non judgemental way.
It may sound harsh to many, but I'm all good with that. Do we have a moral obligation to support those that CANNOT work? Sure! But it should not be legislated & enforced at the point of a sword...
It does sound harsh. It also sounds like a recipe for a weak economy. Much of what I think in relation to helping the downtrodden is based on economics. People without money and without opportunities don't benefit the economy. In fact, they tend to turn to desperate measures to support themselves, like drugs and robbery. Not good. We could spend money on cops and jails, or we could spend money on giving those people opportunities. I vote for opportunities.
But also, those who cannot work should be taken care of. We all agree on this. However, virtually no conservative thinks that should be the responsibility of the government. They almost all want the family or the church to do the supporting. That's all fine and good, but in a modern America, it's just not realistic. More and more people don't belong to churches, not that churches these days could support that many people, and, again, economically, many families simply can't support someone like they could in the 1950s. It would bankrupt them and that's not good for the economy or the country.
Liberals view govt as good. They see govt as a force that could bring good to the world. Ease the suffering of those that suffer. They feel that those who are wealthy have an obligation to those without. They dont trust that peoples self intrest can direct the economy in a good way. They distrust human desire and despise greed.
Am I getting close to a liberal mindset in a non judgemental way.
Close. Government can be a force for good, or not, depending on who's in charge. If you have bad leaders the government will be bad as a result. If you have a good government, it will be a force for good.
A lot of liberals distrust human desire if you mean desire for material things. Many would say that the accumulation of stuff for the sake of accumulating stuff is unhealthy, and that if you're rich, you have an obligation to give something back.