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Your whole life is a racist rant.Tim Wise: ‘White America’ does not understand the racial realities of America
Is this a racist rant?
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Your whole life is a racist rant.Tim Wise: ‘White America’ does not understand the racial realities of America
Is this a racist rant?
Right, we're talking about white violence. But, in order to gain a proper perspective on white violence, it behooves us to honestly look at human violence objectively and cite violence of other races and cultures.
You assumed wrongly that all gun manufacturers are white but now that you are better informed than you were a day ago, you have a wider perspective on the issue and can approach the matter with a more objective eye. If you so choose.
We've got that view many, many, many, many times in these threads. So now it's time to focus only on white violence and white crime as well as different perspectives on white racism that exist among whites other that those expressed by many whites here.
What you mean is that it's time for white people to focus on white violence, white crime and white racism like you do. You've never focused on anything else.
That's how this is going to be approached.
Not by me it isn't.
I am not better informed by you telling me there is 1 black gun manufacturer in the US.
If you didn't know before I told you, you are better informed. It would be more accurate to say "I am not more open minded by you telling me there is 1 black gun manufacturer in the US."
My perspective has not widened when the fact remains that whites control the gun manufacturing industry. You need the objective eye, not me.
Has your perspective widened enough for you to see that the predominately white gun industry is not the reason or cause of black and Hispanic gang members slaughtering each other?
My perspective is wide enough to see that yours is not wide enough to accept how this thread isn't abut Hispanic or black gangs. It is about what whites have done.
I thought we were talking about violence.
Let me just give you a little info in case you haven't realized it by now: I'm a Big Picture type person and look at things from a wider perspective. Meaning that, if you're going to talk about white racism, I'm going to let you know there's black racism. If you talk about white violence, I'm going to point out minority violence. This is the way I am and will always be. I will never get roped into a one-sided conversation about how awful I am because I'm white because it's a jaundiced and unrealistic view. Just so you know.
However, I am curious to know one thing. If I agree with you one hundred percent on your views of white racism and whatnot, what do you expect me to do about it? What comes after that?
This thread is about the different ways whites look at the issue of white racism. Certainly you don't want to talk about violence because you want to dismiss 241 years of white murder, violence and genocide to claim how everyone else is violent.
You don't look any big picture. Because if you did the you understand why I say that what you call black racism is not racism an how I can say that whites have created the dislike and mistrust because if thier continuing racism. You would understand that I'm not just talking about a white person calling me a name on a job and equating that to a SYSTEM.
Whites like you ask a lot of questions but rarely answer any asked of you. Most of the time its a question that you ask in order to use against the person to deny the issue you ask the question about. So to your question, it cannot be answered until you can admit how white racism might cause the lack of trust, dislike and even hatred some people of color have towards whites.
You participate in the one sided conversations telling us as blacks how awful we are all the time. So you will look at problems whites have, or leave the thread.
Dislike and mistrust of an entire race is racism. If Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and other black Civil Rights luminaries did not fight to be viewed as equal individuals regardless of their skin color then what the fuck were they fighting for? They fought to be treated as equals, not to hate whites.
I have no problem admitting that some blacks are angry and frustrated by racism and discrimination. I do however have a problem with blacks like you not giving me the benefit that you demand of whites of showing that I am not racist or untrustworthy or that I'm a liar simply because I'm white.
If you had just said that it was whites who were responsible for slavery and oppression that would be one thing. But you are saying that ALL whites are and were responsible and that ALL whites should be held accountable. THIS is what whites are arguing against in this and other discussions you've started on the matter and is why you see such resistance. I for one will not be held accountable for slavery, racism or oppression because I am not guilty of any of them.
Dislike and mistrust of an entire race is racism. If Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and other black Civil Rights luminaries did not fight to be viewed as equal individuals regardless of their skin color then what the fuck were they fighting for? They fought to be treated as equals, not to hate whites.
You have a real problem understanding the depths of what whites have done to others that created these things. If one just felt these things only because of your color then you'd be right. But the distrust of whites has nothing to do with color and everything to di with what whites have done.
I have no problem admitting that some blacks are angry and frustrated by racism and discrimination. I do however have a problem with blacks like you not giving me the benefit that you demand of whites of showing that I am not racist or untrustworthy or that I'm a liar simply because I'm white.
Stop whining. You are not being treated as you are because you are white.
You are being treated as you are because you are white and racist.
You don't get any benefit of the doubt until you can discuss things done by whites that have negatively impacted blacks. This thread is about the different ways whites look at white racism. Instead of discussing that you are always here whining about backs which have nothing to do with the topic. So start talking about the topic if you want to be given the benefit you say you should get.
If you had just said that it was whites who were responsible for slavery and oppression that would be one thing. But you are saying that ALL whites are and were responsible and that ALL whites should be held accountable. THIS is what whites are arguing against in this and other discussions you've started on the matter and is why you see such resistance. I for one will not be held accountable for slavery, racism or oppression because I am not guilty of any of them.
Boo! hoo! hoo!
You will be held accountable because you are. Just as I am for things that happen in the black community even as I am not guilty of them. I've spent most of my life working to change those things. I have not ever committed a crime. I have not ever been a gang member. I have never fathered a child out of wedlock. Went to college earned a undergrad and grad degree so I am not responsible for not taking education seriously. I have worked to make my own money since age 9, not one day ever on welfare. But I am being held accountable as are all blacks for these things by you racists. So you will be held accountable for all those things you are crying about. I don't give a damn what whites here are arguing or resisting. You no good racists post up all manner of racist garbage then yo want to say what you wont be held accountable for. So here's what I think abut that: and man up.
Because I said what I did and I mean what I say.
I'm not glad that I'm not Black, I'm glad that I'm not you.“Black People: The Republican User’s Guide” (2009, 3rd edition) has, so far as I know, never been written, but it is not hard to guess some of what would be in it:
Introduction:
The purpose of the Republican Party is to pass laws that favour the rich and block those that do them harm. This is done mainly by:
To achieve this requires the votes of millions of Americans on election day who will be harmed by such policies. Fortunately, most voters are white racists. Take advantage of that:
- Keeping taxes low
- Slowing change in society
Chapter 1: Divide and conquer:
The main trick is to get Americans to think race is more important than class so that they vote against their class interests.
The only thing that most voters have in common with the rich is a white skin colour. Use that to make them feel like they are on the same side as the rich. Strengthen that feeling by telling them that they too can be rich one day (even though most never will).
This divides the working- and middle-class vote, weakening it as a serious threat to Republican policy.
Chapter 2: At least I’m not black:
Paint black people as completely screwed up: poverty, drugs, crime, broken homes, bad manners, low morals, etc. Since most whites already look down on blacks and since most know so few of them, this will be easy.
You want them to feel that no matter how bad things get, “at least I’m not black”. This allows them to accept things the way they are and not demand policies that would hurt the rich.
Chapter 3: Racialize social problems:
Crime, gun violence, drugs, poverty, failing schools, absent fathers and all the other ills of American society must either be blamed on blacks or be seen as mainly affecting blacks. That way little will be done about them, keeping taxes low.
Chapter 4: Black pathologies:
Blacks must be blamed for their own troubles.
This is extremely important. It goes beyond excusing government inaction and keeping taxes low: Blacks are the single biggest threat to keeping American society the way it is, as shown by the civil war and the civil rights movement.
Therefore black leaders must be killed, imprisoned, driven out of the country or made to look laughable.
Chapter 5: Rented Negroes:
Right-wing think tanks and news organizations should hire articulate, well-dressed blacks who are willing to:
A black face makes these much more believable and harder to argue against.
- Make white people feel glad that at least they are not black.
- Racialize social problems.
- Push the idea of black pathologies.
Chapter 6: Fear of a black president:
If the president is black paint him as a enemy who is out to destroy the country. Even if you have to destroy the country to do it.
Appendix:
Here put all those twisted numbers and misleading charts from right-wing think tank “studies”.
I leave “Black People: The White Liberal User’s Guide” as an exercise for the reader.
I'm not glad that I'm not Black, I'm glad that I'm not you.“Black People: The Republican User’s Guide” (2009, 3rd edition) has, so far as I know, never been written, but it is not hard to guess some of what would be in it:
Introduction:
The purpose of the Republican Party is to pass laws that favour the rich and block those that do them harm. This is done mainly by:
To achieve this requires the votes of millions of Americans on election day who will be harmed by such policies. Fortunately, most voters are white racists. Take advantage of that:
- Keeping taxes low
- Slowing change in society
Chapter 1: Divide and conquer:
The main trick is to get Americans to think race is more important than class so that they vote against their class interests.
The only thing that most voters have in common with the rich is a white skin colour. Use that to make them feel like they are on the same side as the rich. Strengthen that feeling by telling them that they too can be rich one day (even though most never will).
This divides the working- and middle-class vote, weakening it as a serious threat to Republican policy.
Chapter 2: At least I’m not black:
Paint black people as completely screwed up: poverty, drugs, crime, broken homes, bad manners, low morals, etc. Since most whites already look down on blacks and since most know so few of them, this will be easy.
You want them to feel that no matter how bad things get, “at least I’m not black”. This allows them to accept things the way they are and not demand policies that would hurt the rich.
Chapter 3: Racialize social problems:
Crime, gun violence, drugs, poverty, failing schools, absent fathers and all the other ills of American society must either be blamed on blacks or be seen as mainly affecting blacks. That way little will be done about them, keeping taxes low.
Chapter 4: Black pathologies:
Blacks must be blamed for their own troubles.
This is extremely important. It goes beyond excusing government inaction and keeping taxes low: Blacks are the single biggest threat to keeping American society the way it is, as shown by the civil war and the civil rights movement.
Therefore black leaders must be killed, imprisoned, driven out of the country or made to look laughable.
Chapter 5: Rented Negroes:
Right-wing think tanks and news organizations should hire articulate, well-dressed blacks who are willing to:
A black face makes these much more believable and harder to argue against.
- Make white people feel glad that at least they are not black.
- Racialize social problems.
- Push the idea of black pathologies.
Chapter 6: Fear of a black president:
If the president is black paint him as a enemy who is out to destroy the country. Even if you have to destroy the country to do it.
Appendix:
Here put all those twisted numbers and misleading charts from right-wing think tank “studies”.
I leave “Black People: The White Liberal User’s Guide” as an exercise for the reader.
Too bad I wasn't talking about punk rock.
"You're too soft to be black punk."
That's what I said.
So you're a black punk now, ya, I'm way too educated, never smoked crack and worked for a living.I'm not glad that I'm not Black, I'm glad that I'm not you.“Black People: The Republican User’s Guide” (2009, 3rd edition) has, so far as I know, never been written, but it is not hard to guess some of what would be in it:
Introduction:
The purpose of the Republican Party is to pass laws that favour the rich and block those that do them harm. This is done mainly by:
To achieve this requires the votes of millions of Americans on election day who will be harmed by such policies. Fortunately, most voters are white racists. Take advantage of that:
- Keeping taxes low
- Slowing change in society
Chapter 1: Divide and conquer:
The main trick is to get Americans to think race is more important than class so that they vote against their class interests.
The only thing that most voters have in common with the rich is a white skin colour. Use that to make them feel like they are on the same side as the rich. Strengthen that feeling by telling them that they too can be rich one day (even though most never will).
This divides the working- and middle-class vote, weakening it as a serious threat to Republican policy.
Chapter 2: At least I’m not black:
Paint black people as completely screwed up: poverty, drugs, crime, broken homes, bad manners, low morals, etc. Since most whites already look down on blacks and since most know so few of them, this will be easy.
You want them to feel that no matter how bad things get, “at least I’m not black”. This allows them to accept things the way they are and not demand policies that would hurt the rich.
Chapter 3: Racialize social problems:
Crime, gun violence, drugs, poverty, failing schools, absent fathers and all the other ills of American society must either be blamed on blacks or be seen as mainly affecting blacks. That way little will be done about them, keeping taxes low.
Chapter 4: Black pathologies:
Blacks must be blamed for their own troubles.
This is extremely important. It goes beyond excusing government inaction and keeping taxes low: Blacks are the single biggest threat to keeping American society the way it is, as shown by the civil war and the civil rights movement.
Therefore black leaders must be killed, imprisoned, driven out of the country or made to look laughable.
Chapter 5: Rented Negroes:
Right-wing think tanks and news organizations should hire articulate, well-dressed blacks who are willing to:
A black face makes these much more believable and harder to argue against.
- Make white people feel glad that at least they are not black.
- Racialize social problems.
- Push the idea of black pathologies.
Chapter 6: Fear of a black president:
If the president is black paint him as a enemy who is out to destroy the country. Even if you have to destroy the country to do it.
Appendix:
Here put all those twisted numbers and misleading charts from right-wing think tank “studies”.
I leave “Black People: The White Liberal User’s Guide” as an exercise for the reader.
You're too soft to be black punk.
White paternalism is the belief that whites know what is best for people of other races, viewing them pretty much as overgrown children. It is racist since it assumes that whites know better than other races.
Examples:
White paternalists love to:
- White man’s burden – the duty of whites to help the lesser races. Used in the early 1900s to excuse imperialism.
- White saviour films – where a white hero saves people of colour. “The Blind Side” (2009), “Dangerous Minds” (1995), etc
- Western imperialism – which seeks not just control of land, trade and taxes like most empires, but goes beyond that to remaking subjects in its own image – Westernization.
- American and Australian policy on natives – separating children from their parents to make them white; controlling what little land they have left.
- Whites adopting African children – like Madonna and Angelina Jolie.
- White allies – when they go beyond merely helping anti-racist causes to telling people of colour what to do, trying to take over.
White paternalists hate it when:
- Point out the success of whites and the failures of blacks – Mugabe, Detroit, white inventions.
- See blacks screw up or act like fools.
- Talk down to blacks.
- Tell blacks that they treat them better than anyone else would.
- Tell blacks, in so many words, that they “saved” them from Africa.
You see that not just from white commenters on this blog, you see it in how they show blacks on American television. Black crime. Black buffoons. Black pathologies. Screwed-up or helpless black countries.
- Blacks are not grateful to them.
- Blacks get angry or say anything bad about whites.
White paternalists do not see:
Whites say, “Where would you be without us?” Wrong: where would they be without us!
- Their failed record at handling the affairs of people of colour: genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, apartheid, taking their land, taking their children, screwing up their countries – Vietnam, El Salvador, Chile, Gaza, Congo and on and on. They do not see that the most successful non-white country was one of the few countries they were not able to screw up: Japan, which shut out the West for hundreds of years.
- That much of their “success” was based on screwing up the very people they are now supposedly trying to “help”. America was built on Indian land and black slave labour. The West was built on robbing the world through the Spanish, Portuguese, French and British empires. They do not see that they got to where they are through the barrel of a gun. They think it was through “values” or “institutions” or culture or genes.
- That just as whites know what is in their own best interest, so do blacks and Indians and Vietnamese and everyone else. There is nothing special about white people. They point to Mugabe but not to Hitler or Stalin. They point to the black illegitimacy rate when it went over 20%, but not to the white illegitimacy rate when it went over 20%. They point to black street crime but not to Wall Street crime. Etc.