The Electoral College is not fair!

[mamooth]

How many of these votes were there?

Somewhere around 500, IIRC.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How many of these votes were there?

Somewhere around 500, IIRC.

How do you know?

 

[M14 Shooter]

If you are so anti-constitution that you think the "National Popular Vote Compact" is a good idea, you are unworthy of having your opinion considered.

The NPVC does not violate the constitution -- it is. however nothing more than a scheme to elect Democrats.
If the states already in the compact were -actually- concerned with whatever reason they have for joining it, they'd simply change their laws now, rather than wait for a number of states to join.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every legally cast ballot was counted at least twice.

No, that's not correct.

Under every version of Florida law, overvotes with clear voter intent -- that is, punching the Gore-chad and writing in "Gore" -- were legal votes.

Those votes were spit out of the machines uncounted, and thus they were not counted even once.

Under Florida law, they should have been counted.

If they had been counted, Gore would have won handily, no matter what the chad standard was. The chads were just an excuse the Republicans used to trash legal votes.

I've asked you previous to this.....are you simply a total imbecile, or an inveterate liar?

Don't be shy....which is it?


"If they had been counted, Gore would have won handily, no matter what the chad standard was. The chads were just an excuse the Republicans used to trash legal votes."

Sez who????


In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm

 

[PoliticalChic]

This week, far-left freshman Rep. Ayanna Presley (D-MA) introduced an amendment to a House resolution, H.R. 1, that would allow 16-year-olds to vote in federal elections in 2020.

Oooh, one congressman! You got me. That means all Democrasts want 16-year-olds to vote.

Oh wait, it doesn't. You made that up.

Every time.

You lie....you're caught.....and continue to do so.

Must be painful to be you, huh?



Happiness would be seeing your picture on a milk carton.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The electoral college actually makes our elections fairer. Illegal voting and our biased media and education systems are far more dangerous to our countries survival.

No it does not. what is fair that one vote in Wyoming means more than a vote in CA or TX or MI or any populous state?

Voter suppression is dangerous, and no illegals do not vote, they do not go near polling places.

Hey Pen-a-lope.....the population of New York City is higher than Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama combined. Should one city in one state have more power to elect the president than 3 states in the nation? I think not.

and the less populous states have equal representatives in Congress to give them a voice.

You right wingers must think the EC is full of Congressmen!!

Illegal voting and our biased media and education systems are far more dangerous to our countries survival.

And liberals lie all the time....which is why liberal main stream media's polling is worse than President Trumps....and people like you are clueless about how fucked up Socialism was, is and always will be...Cant fix stupid and they vote Democrat.

Yet you believe in corporate socialism. So do you think the EC is full of congressmen?? And the EC fights for the states in congress??

By the way it sound you right wingers think that, that is the way small states get represented, nothing can be further from the truth.

What is corporate socialism? Unions? Fuck no, unions again make sure that the best get paid the same as the laggard does, thus creating animosity amongst the workers, then over promises pensions and healthcare thus putting the burden on the corporations and soon those corps go bankrupt, unions still gets their dues, but the employees are out of work. Again proving that Socialism fails even in a (supposedly)free society that unions force their workers to join...

No the corporations control the congress with their lobbying, and monopolies. Small businesses are the job creators and small businesses do not lobby nor do they get tax breaks.
This thread is not about socialism though, its about the EC.

You are the one that asked about corporate socialism.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Every legally cast ballot was counted at least twice.

No, that's not correct.

Under every version of Florida law, overvotes with clear voter intent -- that is, punching the Gore-chad and writing in "Gore" -- were legal votes.

Those votes were spit out of the machines uncounted, and thus they were not counted even once.

Under Florida law, they should have been counted.

If they had been counted, Gore would have won handily, no matter what the chad standard was. The chads were just an excuse the Republicans used to trash legal votes.

I've asked you previous to this.....are you simply a total imbecile, or an inveterate liar?

Don't be shy....which is it?


"If they had been counted, Gore would have won handily, no matter what the chad standard was. The chads were just an excuse the Republicans used to trash legal votes."

Sez who????


In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm

What I am still trying to figure out is everytime there is an issue with voting machines, it is always in a liberal area. You would think that if the liberals were so smart they would find someone who could count it right the first time , not over and over like we have seen since Gore V Bush. That fugly bitch in broward county sure couldn't count and she has been there since Gore v Bush.

 

[Leo123]

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

The EC has done well for 200 years Tommy. You need to understand that America is a vast land mass. Our port-cities are most highly populated but much more geographic America exists. The EC was meant to thwart control of a minority of densely populated States. It has to do with equality Tommy. You know the equality you and the libs constantly shout about. In fact I would say that one of the big reasons for the success of the U.S. is the EC.

No they have representatives and Senators, and its now archaic. Trump opinion of the EC in 2012 was it interfered with democracy , but now he likes it.

Then their reps should wield just as much electoral power. That is what the EC is all about.

 

[mamooth]

\'ve asked you previous to this.....are you simply a total imbecile, or an inveterate liar?

Oh, someone's sensitive over the failure of their AOC conspiracy gibberish. I understand. You worked on that for months, and it went nowhere. And then I rubbed salt in the wounds. No wonder you're butthurt.

In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time

When my point was that the problem was with how the vote counting machines refjected valid votes, trumpeting the results of the vote counting machines makes you look especially retarded.

Like I've said before, you're not really dishonest. You're just crazy and stupid. You're not mentally competent enough to be held responsible for your actions, so we just consider you to be free entertainment.

Happiness would be seeing your picture on a milk carton.

See? Even when you're homicidal, you're stupidly homicidal, so it's funny.

 

[mamooth]

it is. however nothing more than a scheme to elect Democrats.

Every Republican on this thread has basically admitted that they know Republicans will never win the popular vote again.

If Republican policies suck that badly, why not change those policies? Wouldn't that be an easier way to win than vote fraud, vote suppression, election fraud, the EC, and other tyranny-of-the-minority tactics?

 

[PoliticalChic]

\'ve asked you previous to this.....are you simply a total imbecile, or an inveterate liar?

Oh, someone's sensitive over the failure of their AOC conspiracy gibberish. I understand. You worked on that for months, and it went nowhere. And then I rubbed salt in the wounds. No wonder you're butthurt.

In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time

When my point was that the problem was with how the vote counting machines refjected valid votes, trumpeting the results of the vote counting machines makes you look especially retarded.

Like I've said before, you're not really dishonest. You're just crazy and stupid. You're not mentally competent enough to be held responsible for your actions, so we just consider you to be free entertainment.

Happiness would be seeing your picture on a milk carton.

See? Even when you're homicidal, you're stupidly homicidal, so it's funny.

Watch this, dunce:

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.



BTW....it's 'As I said,' not 'Like I said.'

And English is my second language......do you have a first?

 

[M14 Shooter]

it is. however nothing more than a scheme to elect Democrats.

Every Republican on this thread has basically admitted that they know Republicans will never win the popular vote again.

Nice non-seq you have there.
Fact is, if people like you were so sure of that, you'd not be trying to get rid of the EC.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
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Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

Those are the rules.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people.

You're wrong.
One of their electoral votes corresponds to their 532,668 citizens.

The other two are because they're a state.

 

[Penelope]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people.

You're wrong.
One of their electoral votes corresponds to their 532,668 citizens.

The other two are because they're a state.

Most states have about 700,000 for one representative and electoral college, why should Wyoming vote count more than mine.

Today the pop of Wyoming is 579300 , as of 2017.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Ahmed, you're a fucking retard.

Stick to coordinating Hamas rocket attacks.

What the democrats who you whore for want is to disenfranchise voters in 46 states.

Marxist democrats, - The party of voter disenfranchisement.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

Fuck off Paki.

You invaded a country that pisses in the face of the voters. You have NOTHING to contribute to American politics. Your voters passed Brexit, fucking abide by the legal vote, you fascist scum.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Buzz off Tommy we soundly defeated your ilk awhile back and drove you off the land. Wish we could do it again, just to put you back in line.

We just kicked the shit out of his kind in Syria as well. Don't know that the Caliphate ruling Britianstan will ever be defeated, though.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

Actually it is fair.

What would be unfair is relying on the National Popular Vote because only large populated states would matter while smaller states would lose their voice.

Obama and Clinton won the Electoral College twice, so was it unfair then?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

Unlike your country America is a Republic which mean each State under this system has more of a voice...