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Barney Fife MadisonThe 17th Amendment was the biggest coup d'etat for the progressive movement. Repeal it, and you may slow the inevitable advancement of liberalism and an ever bigger central government.
Trickle-Down Representation
So that we are represented in Washington by the will of the ruling class's lowlife crooks in the state legislature? People are smart enough to see through what you're trying to pull by canceling our right to vote for our U.S. Senators.
I'm talking about return the balance of power between state and federal government, you know, the way guys like James Madison intended. I'll take his opinion over yours any day. I understand that those who prefer a large central government along with a more broadly socialistic government disagree with the states having any say at the federal level. It's clear the consensus of our founding fathers was much different than your opinion.
Madison believed the Senate should be a method of connecting state and national government. Therefore, he proposed that senators be voted in by the House of Representatives in order to keep the senate exclusive to a well selected and qualified group of individuals while also effectively linking the two government groups.However, In today's government senators of each state are elected through popular vote by the residents of each state.
James Madison- Fedralist Paper #62-
Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger States will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser States, and as the faculty and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the Constitution may be more convenient in practice than it appears to many in contemplation.
JFK said it best......
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would be repulsed by what passes as Republicans today. So would Truman
Lets see what Truman had to say about Republicans....
JFK said it best......
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
JFK said it best......
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Maybe you could try actually talking to progressives instead of repeating whatever shit you heard on hate radio.
That might be an awesome idea.
Maybe you could respond to the opening thread instead of falsely accusing me that I heard it on the radio.
That would be an even better idea.
Barney Fife MadisonThe 17th Amendment was the biggest coup d'etat for the progressive movement. Repeal it, and you may slow the inevitable advancement of liberalism and an ever bigger central government.
Trickle-Down Representation
So that we are represented in Washington by the will of the ruling class's lowlife crooks in the state legislature? People are smart enough to see through what you're trying to pull by canceling our right to vote for our U.S. Senators.
I'm talking about return the balance of power between state and federal government, you know, the way guys like James Madison intended. I'll take his opinion over yours any day. I understand that those who prefer a large central government along with a more broadly socialistic government disagree with the states having any say at the federal level. It's clear the consensus of our founding fathers was much different than your opinion.
Madison believed the Senate should be a method of connecting state and national government. Therefore, he proposed that senators be voted in by the House of Representatives in order to keep the senate exclusive to a well selected and qualified group of individuals while also effectively linking the two government groups.However, In today's government senators of each state are elected through popular vote by the residents of each state.
James Madison- Fedralist Paper #62-
Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger States will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser States, and as the faculty and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the Constitution may be more convenient in practice than it appears to many in contemplation.
Dolley's lapdog Jemmy was a short person who wanted to imagine himself as towering over the voters as he stood with his fellow elevated politicians, counting as giants even those in the state legislatures. That's why he opposed direct election of Senators.
Providing for the General welfare, not the Common welfare, is in our Constitution, right wingers.ACA was, and is, unconstitutional. The SC got it wrong. But fear not, that is being fixed.
Ok, so if it was unconstitutional why is it still in force?
the SC ruled it constitutional. they have the final say on such things. so at the moment it is constitutional by definition. However, as I said, that is being fixed.
actually the word is "promote" the general welfare, not "provide". Big difference.
Please stop.
GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
JFK said it best......
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK said it best......
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
Logical Conclusion From What You PreachEquality is the best foundation for a civilized society.
Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
If the former, you are not a liberal, you are a leftist. If the latter, yes, you are indeed a liberal.
Big damn difference, so I'm curious, which is it?
Equality under the law, equal opportunity. Everyone is responsible for their own outcomes. I don't know of any prominent person on the left nor have I heard any liberal support equality of outcomes. I think that is a right-wing radio thing.
Leave your right-wing labels alone. They don't apply.
I care not for labels, but I do care for accuracy and transparency.
Unless you and I have a very different definition for 'person on the left', I would argue leftists most certainly support equality of outcome. Welfare, in all it's forms, is designed to improve the outcome of chosen citizens. Equality of outcome is absolutely positively what things like affirmative action and protected classes are all about. The examples after over 100 years of progressive meddling are abundant, at local, state and federal levels, but at the end of the day, they're case for forcing wealth from some is that we should benefit others, to improve their outcome.
As one of the guys that pays the vast majority of those taxes, it sure as hell isn't improving outcome. That's government acting unequally.
Lastly, I assure you this hard core classical liberal / libertarian has PLENTY of issues with what you think of as 'right wing'.
I think welfare is designed to assist those in need. Period. The outcomes of those who receive it vary and depends on how that individual chooses to do with it and to get off it.
Taxpayers all have some grievance about how their taxes are spent. Your grievance is no more valid or special than anyone else's.
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
JFK was a liberal hero then and is a hero now
Liberals have no problem with having a strong military but recognize there needs to be a balance between our investment in the military and our social programs.....JFKs agenda had a strong social base
JFK cut WWII era taxes down into the 70% upper tax rate. Todays liberals would be happy with that tax rate....would you?
JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
medicare and SS are funded by working people. Its their money that is being returned to them when they need it. Medicaid is to cover the medical needs of those who cannot afford their care.
Those are not liberal programs.
But continual deficit spending is a liberal program (done by both parties) and it always results in countries failing.
Liberalism always fails, always has, always will. Because it is based on a false premise----------------that there is an unending supply of money for the government to pass out.
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK said many things...not all of them would be acceptable to todays version of liberalism.
'It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war'.
'Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.'
'The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.'
Read more at: John F. Kennedy Quotes
...and, "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort--thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
JFK would be a pariah among the current Democrat party leadership - far too moderate.
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
medicare and SS are funded by working people. Its their money that is being returned to them when they need it. Medicaid is to cover the medical needs of those who cannot afford their care.
Those are not liberal programs.
But continual deficit spending is a liberal program (done by both parties) and it always results in countries failing.
Liberalism always fails, always has, always will. Because it is based on a false premise----------------that there is an unending supply of money for the government to pass out.
They're not liberal? lol. well look at all these conservatives vehemently opposing them.
Talking Points Memo
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
Redfish claims they're conservative policies.
The way they are now they will fail. It's unsustainable. Yes they need fixing but any attempt has the left howling about pulling grannies life support plug.The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK would be a republican today, so would Truman.
JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
not if properly managed.
Every Media Mouthpiece for the 1% Can Go Eat a Knuckle SandwichThe 17th Amendment was the biggest coup d'etat for the progressive movement. Repeal it, and you may slow the inevitable advancement of liberalism and an ever bigger central government.
The 17th Amendment happened because people were tired of the corrupt buffoons that the state legislatures kept sending to washington.
We were quite capable of selecting our own corrupt buffoons.
The Founding Fathers would disagree. They did not want a direct democracy, rather, they wanted a mix.
This is why the House was directly elected by the people and why those in the Senate were selected by state governments.
Just see how the Founding Fathers valued direct democracy verses representation. Those in the House were only given 2 years to serve and those in the Senate were given 6 years to serve. In addition, there are only 2 Senators per state verses a myriad in the House. So I ask you, how much confidence did the Founding Fathers have with direct voting from the people to elect suitable candidates vs. those in state government? Obviously they trusted the states to pick better representatives.
Of course, Progs would scoff at this and refer to the US government in the same breath as a democracy. Well guess what, the US is a Republic, not a democracy. The Founding Fathers knew better than to create a direct democracy.
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.JFK would oppose Medicaid, Medicare, SS?
republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
Redfish claims they're conservative policies.
NO, I said that they are not liberal policies. If SS and medicare were liberal policies we would not have money taken from our paychecks specifically for them. Try to think before posting, you might not look so dumb.
The big three are doomed to fail. Like all liberal policies.republicans today don't oppose Medicaid, medicare and SS. WTF is wrong with you?
Oh so the Republicans are fully on board 3 of the biggest socialist institutions in America?
I guess that's what I mean when I say that liberalism always wins in the long run, isn't it?
Redfish claims they're conservative policies.
NO, I said that they are not liberal policies. If SS and medicare were liberal policies we would not have money taken from our paychecks specifically for them. Try to think before posting, you might not look so dumb.
40% of Medicare is paid out of the general fund, not payroll taxes. ALL of Medicaid is paid out of the general fund.
All are socialist programs because all are run by the government instead of the private sector.
