The gigantic elephant in the room, the fairy-tale of 9/11

[RetiredGySgt]

so to you the concerns of these patriots and hero's is...shit...as compared to a research writer popular mechanics. ?...not only is that un-American and disrespectful well..it is just ...silly

We have all seen your lists, take them somewhere that people believe your ignorant shit.

 

[eots]

its not my shit..it is a petition of high ranking American patriots...you ignorant little man

 

[dilloduck]

its not my shit..it is a petition of high ranking American patriots...you ignorant little man

Well tell them we've seen it and we can't do a damn thing about it.

 

[eots]

Well tell them we've seen it and we can't do a damn thing about it.

sure we can..we get the government we deserve..resistance is not futile..

 

[RetiredGySgt]

sure we can..we get the government we deserve..resistance is not futile..

Retard. Since at most they are not telling us things cause they do not know them you get nothing. Your the ignorant man claiming the government planned and carried out the attacks. These people DO not claim that at all.

 

[eots]

Retard. Since at most they are not telling us things cause they do not know them you get nothing. Your the ignorant man claiming the government planned and carried out the attacks. These people DO not claim that at all.

can you verifies this opinion in anyway other than your denial ??..and what I claim is a cover-up of the truth of 911 and that the official story is a treasonous lie and a investigation under the guidelines requested in the petition is of up most importance


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

 

[strollingbones]

a cover up goes against human nature in this way...its been 8 years or so since 9/11....it would take how many people plotting to pull this off....imploding 3 buildings...taking down 4 planes...where did all the people in the planes go? if no plane crashed into the pentagon ..then were did the people go? someone would have felt remorse and spilled the beans by now..its only human nature....stop arguing the conflicting science and simply ask yourself this...if no plane crashed into the pentagon...where are those people...how could you keep a massive conspiracy this secret...how many people in the world have the knowing to bring down 3 buildings like that...everyone acts like you can google this info....you cant...so how many people in the world have the skill to do this...

o i am sorry...common sense ...doesnt belong here. sorry forgot myself.

 

[Care4all]

a cover up goes against human nature in this way...its been 8 years or so since 9/11....it would take how many people plotting to pull this off....imploding 3 buildings...taking down 4 planes...where did all the people in the planes go? if no plane crashed into the pentagon ..then were did the people go? someone would have felt remorse and spilled the beans by now..its only human nature....stop arguing the conflicting science and simply ask yourself this...if no plane crashed into the pentagon...where are those people...how could you keep a massive conspiracy this secret...how many people in the world have the knowing to bring down 3 buildings like that...everyone acts like you can google this info....you cant...so how many people in the world have the skill to do this...

o i am sorry...common sense ...doesnt belong here. sorry forgot myself.

i agree with you on the pentegon plane, where are the 50 people that were on the plane??? Just common sense!!!!

Though i have read somewhere on some conspiracy that they were just killed....among the others that were ''just killed'' for the conspiracy to be pulled off...

and that is also just unfathomable!!!

and also, questions like how could they get this plane to land somewhere so they could kill these people and destroy the evidence of the plane without many being involved in the crime itself and the coverup, without any leaks?

It pays to logically think things through, eh?

But I will say, that as an avid ''Who done it?'' mystery reader , it is possible that starting the rumor of the Pentegon strike really being a missle instead of the plane, conspiracy, could have been an actual implausible theory ''planted'' by the perpitrators themselves.......so to make the masses reject the other theories regarding building 7's demise, instantaneous pancaking of the towers-their free fall at incredible speeds, and all the other crap said, that perhaps were plausible....

too many mystery books read...too, too many .....hahahahaha! admittingly though!!!

 

[BlackAsCoal]

lol "please stop this crap that fire caused the collapse"

ok, tinfoil hat man

Why believe scientific evidence when we have your word.

Fire weakens steel, when steel gets weakened it can not support as much weight.

This isn't rocket science

What you just said isn't science at all, it's just what you've been told to believe.

Go pour some kerosene on a column of steel and let it burn for 6 years .. it won't weaken the steel because it will never reach ther required temperatures to weaken steel.

There are no exception to impossible .. and fire weakening steel on it own is impossible.

Ever watch a car completely engulfed in fire burn until the fire burns itself out.

The steel doesn't even move.

Ever wonder why such an event has NEVER Happened before?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

i agree with you on the pentegon plane, where are the 50 people that were on the plane??? Just common sense!!!!

Though i have read somewhere on some conspiracy that they were just killed....among the others that were ''just killed'' for the conspiracy to be pulled off...

and that is also just unfathomable!!!

and also, questions like how could they get this plane to land somewhere so they could kill these people and destroy the evidence of the plane without many being involved in the crime itself and the coverup, without any leaks?

It pays to logically think things through, eh?

But I will say, that as an avid ''Who done it?'' mystery reader , it is possible that starting the rumor of the Pentegon strike really being a missle instead of the plane, conspiracy, could have been an actual implausible theory ''planted'' by the perpitrators themselves.......so to make the masses reject the other theories regarding building 7's demise, instantaneous pancaking of the towers-their free fall at incredible speeds, and all the other crap said, that perhaps were plausible....

too many mystery books read...too, too many .....hahahahaha! admittingly though!!!

The problem for you my sister is that you don't want to conceptualize the depths of the evil we do.

Getting rid of the people on the plane would have been the easy part.

Are you aware o the Stand-Down order .. and if so, why was it issued two months before 9/11?

Innocent people being killed ain't personal .. it's just business.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Americans don't believe fairy tales, BAC. I wish they did.

Fairy tales have an underlying truth in them. They are instructive, often cautionary tales. People who read fairly tales benefit from the experience.

What most Americans believe aren't fairy tales.

What most American's believe are lies -- lies sometime of such monumental audacity, that they reach mythic proportions.

But I agree with you that it's not their fault.

Merely being intelligent will not insulate us from the big lies overwhelming us.

Some of these lies are crafted by brilliant liars, and then we are barraged by them in the media.

Anyone however intelligent can be mislead if the misinformation campaign is done subtly enough.

I often wonder how much of what I think I know is just plain wrong.

I just discovered something today, as a matter of fact.

I was under the impression that Prescot Bush was something of a villian.

But I did not know things about him, and the choices he made, which force me to reevaluate not only who he is, but what his ilk was like, generally.

It's damned hard for any of us to know, for sure, what is going on in this world of ours.

I cannot comment on 9-11.

I avoid those kinds of conspiracy/technical questions because generally they end up just laymen dueling with someone else's expert opinions.

I think the idea of a very large conspiracy within ou own government highly unlikely, because logic informs me that very large conspiracies cannot stand very long.

As to the issues of whether the building could have fallen and so forth?

My eyes glaze over because I know I am not qualified to see through the smoke to find the fire.

I agree that this issue always ends up the same .. which explains my reluctance to start it, but I as challenged to do so in another thread.

However, from my perspective, it is our responsibility and our duty to demand answers when so much of our economic and political capital has been spent/wasted on the consequences of thsi event.

There are glaring events that are nothing short of impossible which does not require and advanced degree on the specifics.

It is our responsibility and our duty my brother.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The most miraculous event that happen on 9/11 was how alleged hijacker Muhammad Atta's passport survived the gigantic fireball of the plane hitting the tower. Then floated down to the street and was almost immediatly found among millions of tons of rubble and debree.

Amazingly, the passport was found on top of a pile of rubble, by of all people, an FBI agent.

For a passport made out of paper to have survived such an inferno. Is the type of miracle usually found in the Bible.

Remember in this event, solid steel became like a wet noodle, and two buildings collasped. But a paper passport is left intact and only slightly burnt around the edges!!

SECOND Hijacker Passport Found on Street Below WTC

Just one on the many miracles of 9/11.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf

Thermite and Sulfer- Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition


Please read both links so you can stop your bs on 9/11 being an inside job.

As someone who actually lost quite a few people that day, i find it disrespectful that you would try to read more into this and not see it for what it was.

A cowardly act by a group of extremist that want to detroy our way of life.

yeah that cowardly act by a group of extremists people that want to destroy our way of life are Bush,Rumsfield,Rice,Cheney,Blair and Bushs buddie Clinton.Yes he is involved in it as well. He is involved in it up to his ears. He's not reading more into it that what there is,he just hasnt allowed himself to be brainwashed by the lies,disinformation and propaganda by the corporate controlled media like popular mechanics and that other disinformation thread you posted.

He is a patriot spreading the TRUTH!! He knows how to think outside the box and doesnt allow the corporate controlled media to brainwash him. Its nothing to be ashamed of,I was brainwashed by the media and school system as well for years about things like the kennedy assassination and then started reading alternative news sources not controlled by the corporate controlled media and now can think outside the box.something many people here NEED to learn how to do as well like the thread starter of this thread has.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You haven't presented any facts. Merely theory and conjecture. If that is what you want to base your position on then that is your problem. Just don't assume that everyone around you is a dumbass for believeing what they saw with there own eye.

Incredulity is the wisdom of the fool.

kinda like andrew hasnt presented any facts at all.Just wild theorys and conjecture himself.along with lies and propaganda by the government.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I've always wondered, how do seemingly intelligent people buy these asinine conspiracy theories?

like the asinine conspiracy THEORY by the government that muslims and Osama Bin Laden was behind it all?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

no I would love to compare evidence---you just have no evidence as to who and how you think 9/11 occurred. You spend all your time trying to debunk evidence instead of presenting ANY of your own.

again Andrew is the one that has no evidence.just lies,theorys and conjecture with no facts,not the thread starter.as I said before,David Ray Griiffith in his book DEBUNKING THE 9/11 DEBUNKING has debunked the popular mechanics myth that muslims were behind it all.Read the book and get educated.He has.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You are just another deluded fool. You have no evidence and no theory that stands the scrutiny of the public. I bet you thought that plane that blew up leaving New York some years ago was shot down too, didn't ya?

the only deluded fools are people like you who have allowed the government to brainwash them with their lies and propaganda.

 

[Andrew2382]

kinda like andrew hasnt presented any facts at all.Just wild theorys and conjecture himself.along with lies and propaganda by the government.

Yet, you haven't shown any scientific evidence whatsoever to prove your moronic theories.

All you can do is dismiss evidence without any reason or logic and just throw out shit without anything to backup.

 

[eots]

Yet, you haven't shown any scientific evidence whatsoever to prove your moronic theories.

All you can do is dismiss evidence without any reason or logic and just throw out shit without anything to backup.

so the in your opinion these men have no logic or reason...morons
that don't understand science...like you do...lol





Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aerontautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT – Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5). Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project. Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there. Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998. Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University. Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.

WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11&#8221, and

WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...

An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission&#8221 is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."


Website: http://www.edmitchellapollo14
Dwain Deets, MS Eng



Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


http://patriotsquestion911.com/]Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report[/url]

 

[jaded110]

It is 2008. Can we shut the hell up about 9/11 being a damn inside job? It wasn't. Every single myth about the towers collapsing that you whackjobs have brought up have been debunked... several times.