The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[Seawytch]

"Easy scapegoat for asshole employers"? SW - the Cleveland Clinic supported Obamacare and even hosted Barack Obama on his ACA tour to garner support for it 4 years ago. Jesus, do your homework for once. You're embarrassing yourself by randomly throwing feces at a wall like a little monkey and hoping some of it sticks.

Besides SW - you made the outrageous claim that "Before the ACA most people got their insurance through their employer or spouses employer. That hasn't changed". Are you admitting now that you were wrong and that has, in fact, changed? It has changed and you know it sweetie. Now you're just moving the goalposts again out of desperation.

So now that we've disproven that Hail Mary, would you like to try again? You have to trust me SW - this is so much easier if you do your homework instead of making up answers/excuses as you go.



Even if an insurance company "dished you up shit" you were free at ANY time to drop them and go do business with someone else. That's the beauty of the free market and why it works flawlessly (but that requires personal responsibility of course - something a lazy liberal is unwilling to do). Unfortunately for all of us, we're not able to drop the federal government.

Oh Puppy, you Fox dupe. Get out of the bubble every once in a while.

Obamacare Isn't Really Taking Away Jobs: Cleveland Clinic Edition

Uh-oh, wytchey go all twitchey again when hit with facts.

Google it for yourself sweetie - the Cleveland Clinic made the announcement. Because they are in Obama's pocket, he called them furious and they have since changed their story. But that doesn't change the fact that they ADMITTED to the world that they have cut $300+ million per year from their budget - and thus cut employees - because of Obamacare! You lose wytchey...

And I already provided the evidence that debunked that claim. Repeating the same lie already debunked just makes you look silly(er)...

 

[P@triot]

Oh Puppy, you Fox dupe. Get out of the bubble every once in a while.

Obamacare Isn't Really Taking Away Jobs: Cleveland Clinic Edition

Uh-oh, wytchey go all twitchey again when hit with facts.

Google it for yourself sweetie - the Cleveland Clinic made the announcement. Because they are in Obama's pocket, he called them furious and they have since changed their story. But that doesn't change the fact that they ADMITTED to the world that they have cut $300+ million per year from their budget - and thus cut employees - because of Obamacare! You lose wytchey...

And I already provided the evidence that debunked that claim. Repeating the same lie already debunked just makes you look silly(er)...

Sweetie - you can't "debunk" FACT. It made national news. Finding one little left-wing website desperately trying to cover for Obama doesn't change the FACTS.

Even in the face of indisputable facts - you literally just make shit up [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION]. Businesses have crunched the numbers and have been forced to layoff workers, drop healthcare coverage, and cut hours. You're only response to the millions of workers who have been fucked over by idiot Dumbocrat policy is to decry "the business are Faux news lying". Do you realize what an idiot that makes you sound like? The fact that you can't accept facts makes you a certified idiot. I'll post them again just to make wytchey go twitchey (because it's so amusing to see you lose it in the face of facts):

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

 

[P@triot]

And I already provided the evidence that debunked that claim. Repeating the same lie already debunked just makes you look silly(er)...

The only thing you just "debunked" is your credibility...

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

 

[Seawytch]

And I already provided the evidence that debunked that claim. Repeating the same lie already debunked just makes you look silly(er)...

The only thing you just "debunked" is your credibility...

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

You poor Fox dupe. The Atlantic is now a "liberal rag"? Sillier and sillier you are...

Cleveland Clinic cutbacks: Are they really Obama's fault? (Cleveland Business)

Is Obamacare to Blame for Hospital Layoffs? (US News)

 

[P@triot]

Our country will benefit from single payer, not me personally. I have two employer provided insurance plans that cover me and the family just fine.

So then why don't you become that "single payer" and cover the premiums for everyone out there who can't afford it? I mean, you're the one who "cares" about them, right? You're the one who is calling for the single payer, right? So why don't you become the single payer? I guess I don't understand wytchey - whenever I want something, I just go do it.

Apparently you are one greedy and selfish little twat if you know there are people out there who aren't covered and you're refusing to cover it for them.

 

[P@triot]

And I already provided the evidence that debunked that claim. Repeating the same lie already debunked just makes you look silly(er)...

The only thing you just "debunked" is your credibility...

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

You poor Fox dupe. The Atlantic is now a "liberal rag"? Sillier and sillier you are...

Cleveland Clinic cutbacks: Are they really Obama's fault? (Cleveland Business)

Is Obamacare to Blame for Hospital Layoffs? (US News)

You poor MSNBC dupe - this is straight from the mouth of the CEO of the Cleveland Clinic. Now who knows better why the Cleveland Clinic suddenly cut $300 million from their budget the month before Obamacare officially want live - the Cleveland Clinic CEO or the "Atlantic"???

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

 

[P@triot]

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

 

[P@triot]

Seawytch: "Pay no attention to the bull dyke behind the curtain (and while you're at it, pay no attention to what the CEO of the Cleveland Clinic officially stated on record) - just believe my lies that I tell you"...

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoff

Administrators at the Cleveland Clinic announced on Wednesday that the health care giant would be cutting as much as $300 million from its 2014 budget, and that the cuts will likely include layoffs.

"Health care reform has really changed things, and the burden of cost is going to be falling on patients," spokeswoman Eileen Shiel told The Plain Dealer. "We want to make sure we can keep care affordable."

During a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting, Cleveland Clinic President and Chief Executive Dr. Toby Cosgrove told employees about plans to reduce operating expenses by about 6 percent, and cited the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, as one of the reasons for the cuts.

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

 

[P@triot]

 

[P@triot]

Our country will benefit from single payer, not me personally. I have two employer provided insurance plans that cover me and the family just fine.

Yeah, just like all of those other countries which "benefited" from socialism...

 

[P@triot]

So the federal government - with trillions of dollars at their disposal and unlimited power - resources beyond our wildest dreams, says they are not capable of building a simple little website in 3.5 years?

And these are the people that Dumbocrats want in charge of their healthcare?

Seriously folks, if anything has illustrated how inept and unqualified Barack Obama is to be president, this is most definitely it. This bumbling buffoon can't even hire the right people to build a website.

CMS: 3.5 years not enough time to make HealthCare.gov work - The Hill's Healthwatch

 

[PMZ]

For four or five years Republicans have tried to make the point that doing nothing is easier for them than doing anything. And that if you ignore we, the people, health care is fine. Most Republicans have some coverage at least for now, and our wealthy are enjoying pretty good health compared to their peers around the world.

Every time they've trumpeted this, they are surprised that no uprisings ensue.

Now they're at it again, passionately constructing a mountain of obfuscation from a molehill of Internet inconvenience.

I predict that they will be equally surprised at the failure of this anti-Americanism as all of their previous attempts.

 

[P@triot]

Before the ACA most people got their insurance through their employer or spouses employer. That hasn't changed.

Once again, Seawytch displays her profound ignorance for the world...

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
UPS Dropping Spouses Health Coverage - Business Insider

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Hospital Staff Under The Knife: Layoffs Pick Up As ObamaCare Looms - Investors.com

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Bonnie Doon Ice Cream blames Obamacare for plant shutdown - Fox 28: South Bend, Elkhart IN News, Weather, Sports

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Medical Company Smith & Nephew Lays Off Almost 100 People, Blames Obamacare

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Hospitals Suffering From Mass Layoffs Thanks to Obamacare - Katie Pavlich

You're right about one thing though [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION] - you're definitely not allowing "perfect to be the enemy of good". Hell, you're not even allowing shitty to be the enemy of catstrophic. And Obamacare has literally been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be catastrophic . But all you know is that it was supported by a Dumbocrat, so you will play the loyal little lap dog and support it too - even in the face of all evidence which indicates it catastrophic.

None of what you quoted is the result of the Affordable Care Act. Sure, it's an easy scapegoat for asshole employers, but it isn't the cause.

The people that had shitty insurance with lifetime caps, high deductibles and large out of pocket expenses are finding their plans don't meet the requirements of the ACA. In other words, the ACA is preventing insurance companies from dishing up shit and charging you for it (only to drop you if you get sick). That means some people pay more, but more pay less.

Oh wytchey - put on your little tin foil hat and tell us again how this is all one giant "conspiracy"...

CareFirst says 76,000 customers will lose current coverage due to Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[PMZ]

The inconvenient truth for Republicans is that our national boat would be sinking without Medicare. And Obamacare will be equally necessary. And that Republicans have fought tooth and nail against both. And deservedly lost.

 

[PMZ]

Once again, Seawytch displays her profound ignorance for the world...

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
UPS Dropping Spouses Health Coverage - Business Insider

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Hospital Staff Under The Knife: Layoffs Pick Up As ObamaCare Looms - Investors.com

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Bonnie Doon Ice Cream blames Obamacare for plant shutdown - Fox 28: South Bend, Elkhart IN News, Weather, Sports

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Medical Company Smith & Nephew Lays Off Almost 100 People, Blames Obamacare

Are these people still getting their insurance through their employer or spouses employer?
Hospitals Suffering From Mass Layoffs Thanks to Obamacare - Katie Pavlich

You're right about one thing though [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION] - you're definitely not allowing "perfect to be the enemy of good". Hell, you're not even allowing shitty to be the enemy of catstrophic. And Obamacare has literally been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be catastrophic . But all you know is that it was supported by a Dumbocrat, so you will play the loyal little lap dog and support it too - even in the face of all evidence which indicates it catastrophic.

None of what you quoted is the result of the Affordable Care Act. Sure, it's an easy scapegoat for asshole employers, but it isn't the cause.

The people that had shitty insurance with lifetime caps, high deductibles and large out of pocket expenses are finding their plans don't meet the requirements of the ACA. In other words, the ACA is preventing insurance companies from dishing up shit and charging you for it (only to drop you if you get sick). That means some people pay more, but more pay less.

Oh wytchey - put on your little tin foil hat and tell us again how this is all one giant "conspiracy"...

CareFirst says 76,000 customers will lose current coverage due to Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com

From your reference.

'' CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today''

Of course they are. They didn't cover what they should have then and have to now.

They'll be replace by new policies with adequate coverage.

 

[Zoom-boing]

None of what you quoted is the result of the Affordable Care Act. Sure, it's an easy scapegoat for asshole employers, but it isn't the cause.

The people that had shitty insurance with lifetime caps, high deductibles and large out of pocket expenses are finding their plans don't meet the requirements of the ACA. In other words, the ACA is preventing insurance companies from dishing up shit and charging you for it (only to drop you if you get sick). That means some people pay more, but more pay less.

Oh wytchey - put on your little tin foil hat and tell us again how this is all one giant "conspiracy"...

CareFirst says 76,000 customers will lose current coverage due to Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com

From your reference.

'' CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today''

Of course they are. They didn't cover what they should have then and have to now.

They'll be replace by new policies with adequate coverage.

So now a 55 year old single male with no kids will HAVE to pay for maternity, newborn, pediatric coverage (including vision and dental). His premiums (whether on (un)aca plan or private) will substantially increase. And he has zero choice in electing this (and other unneeded) coverage.

The government took choices away from people. I thought the left was the party of choice?

Please, keep spinning.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Go onto healthcare.gov facebook page. 99% of the feedback is negative, much of it from people whose policies (that obama said they could keep ... no, he PROMISED they could keep it) have been axed. People whose premiums are doubling for lesser coverage.

But the left jumps on here and says "bullshit, they are just made up stories". Those in favor of this have been suckered.

 

[Zoom-boing]

50 Dangers from Obamacare

This list contains information pulled from the first House bill HR 3200. Its mandates and threats likely survived in one form or another into the 2080 page monster from the Senate. This list therefore is only a guide. Let them make you wary and on the alert against this attack on your freedoms. Let it be the catalyst to get you to do your own research and then go out and teach your family and friends why we have to fight this move by people who want to enslave us.
The first list is all 50 of the threats.
In the second list the threats are organized in categories.
Download the sections that most affect you and go into battle against this bill. Copy this material and pass it around to everyone you can.


1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?

2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

6) Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.

7) Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.

8) PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.

9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.

10) PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.

11) PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.

12) Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.

13) PG 85, line 7 provides for specifics on benefit levels for Medicare recipients, basically rationing the care of every senior citizen I the United States.

14) PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.

15) Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.

16) Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.

17) Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.

18) Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.

19) Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.

20) Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.

21) Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.

22) Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.

23) Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.

24) PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

25) Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.

The remaining 25 and much more information at link

50 Dangers from Obamacare « Coach is Right

 

[P@triot]

The inconvenient truth for Republicans is that our national boat would be sinking without Medicare. And Obamacare will be equally necessary. And that Republicans have fought tooth and nail against both. And deservedly lost.

The lies from the left never step.

Medicare is bankrupt and insolvent (Obama's entire case for Obamacare was because the federal government could no longer afford their healthcare entitlements.

Our national boat is sinking because of Medicare. We're $17 trillion in debt. Which part of that do you not understand - the trillion or the debt?

 

[P@triot]

None of what you quoted is the result of the Affordable Care Act. Sure, it's an easy scapegoat for asshole employers, but it isn't the cause.

The people that had shitty insurance with lifetime caps, high deductibles and large out of pocket expenses are finding their plans don't meet the requirements of the ACA. In other words, the ACA is preventing insurance companies from dishing up shit and charging you for it (only to drop you if you get sick). That means some people pay more, but more pay less.

Oh wytchey - put on your little tin foil hat and tell us again how this is all one giant "conspiracy"...

CareFirst says 76,000 customers will lose current coverage due to Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com

From your reference.

'' CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today''

Of course they are. They didn't cover what they should have then and have to now.

They'll be replace by new policies with adequate coverage.

Astounding mix of arrogance and ignorance here.

[MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - please explain to me who the fuck are you to tell another business what they "should" cover?!? Obviously they covered everything they should or those 76,000 people wouldn't have done business with them - they would have gone somewhere else.

Want to try again?