The global warming thread. Is it for real?

All you've applied is a bunch of garbage masquerading as science...GIGO.

Ah, yeah, Newton's Second Law of Motion. Garbage in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an externat force. But can you PROVE, that it's garbage. Cuz if you can't... well then It's like a lack of a sign is a sign. Signentific...
Well, you've described perfectly the bullshit pseudo-science of anthropogenic Goebbels warming.

Waytago! :thup: :lol:

So basically, you've got nothing. No chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything except "It's pseudo-science" based on no actual knowledge of science.
 
Ah, yeah, Newton's Second Law of Motion. Garbage in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an externat force. But can you PROVE, that it's garbage. Cuz if you can't... well then It's like a lack of a sign is a sign. Signentific...
Well, you've described perfectly the bullshit pseudo-science of anthropogenic Goebbels warming.

Waytago! :thup: :lol:

So basically, you've got nothing. No chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything except "It's pseudo-science" based on no actual knowledge of science.

In what other area of science are you ready to bet the farm and $TRILLs based on using trees and the size of worm holes as thermometers?

The science is pretty clear to me. Doubling CO2 from 250 to 500ppm WILL contribute 1.1DegC in warming.. Everything else regarding the "fragile planet" theories and "warming amplification" is ALL speculation and hand-waving.
 
Computer Assisted Design is not a model.......idiot. It is a drafting table in a computer. Have you always been this stupid are did you have to have to have pharmaceutical help?

Yes, he really is that stupid. It becomes more evident the more he talks.

Well, yes it is a model. A model is everything from a small physical representation of an object to a dynamic mathematical computer simulation. A model may be a simple equation, a drawing, the digitized representation of an object in a CAD system or the dynamic fluid flow equations in a finite element analysys.







No, it isn't. A CAD design is just that a DESIGN. A model is designed to recreate behavior characteristics in the REAL WORLD. Period. Every time you open your mouth you expose your profound ignorance for all to see.
 
Yep. And there is still a lot of room to debate whether temperature follows CO2, or CO2 follows temperature. Based on observation, I'd say it's the latter.
 
Well, you've described perfectly the bullshit pseudo-science of anthropogenic Goebbels warming.

Waytago! :thup: :lol:

So basically, you've got nothing. No chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything except "It's pseudo-science" based on no actual knowledge of science.

In what other area of science are you ready to bet the farm and $TRILLs based on using trees and the size of worm holes as thermometers?

The science is pretty clear to me. Doubling CO2 from 250 to 500ppm WILL contribute 1.1DegC in warming.. Everything else regarding the "fragile planet" theories and "warming amplification" is ALL speculation and hand-waving.






No, it isn't speculation. Speculation requires empirical data to support your idea. ALL historical data says that warmer is better. PERIOD.
 
Computer Assisted Design is not a model.......idiot. It is a drafting table in a computer. Have you always been this stupid are did you have to have to have pharmaceutical help?

Yes, he really is that stupid. It becomes more evident the more he talks.

Well, yes it is a model. A model is everything from a small physical representation of an object to a dynamic mathematical computer simulation. A model may be a simple equation, a drawing, the digitized representation of an object in a CAD system or the dynamic fluid flow equations in a finite element analysys.

A model would be a representation of something, or in the computer modeling sense not only 3D but realistic in it's behavior and actions.

CAD is a 2D computer drafting program. Drafting is a drawing and a drawing is 2D. It can give 3D measurements and draw from various angles to get the idea of how the thing that it represents is to be built, but it is still a 2D drawing.

To represent 3D you need a 3D modeling program. Notice the fact it is called a modeling program and not a CAD program... Yeah because it's in 3D and not 2D...

For a self-proclaimed scientist you're not very knowledgeable on the simplest of concepts...

You didn't know CO2 breaks down naturally over time, and you didn't know modeling and drafting are different things, and didn't why they are, what was your field again? I bet you got one of those new "green degrees". Something like an associates degree in sustainable developmental bullshit...ROFL
 
So basically, you've got nothing. No chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything except "It's pseudo-science" based on no actual knowledge of science.

In what other area of science are you ready to bet the farm and $TRILLs based on using trees and the size of worm holes as thermometers?

The science is pretty clear to me. Doubling CO2 from 250 to 500ppm WILL contribute 1.1DegC in warming.. Everything else regarding the "fragile planet" theories and "warming amplification" is ALL speculation and hand-waving.





No, it isn't speculation. Speculation requires empirical data to support your idea. ALL historical data says that warmer is better. PERIOD.

I speculate on investments and choosing dentists all the time without much empirical data. I do better than 50/50... :eusa_whistle:

I've actually heard the word "speculate" many times at conferences.. I do believe it's accepted coinage of advanced research... :tongue:
 
In what other area of science are you ready to bet the farm and $TRILLs based on using trees and the size of worm holes as thermometers?

The science is pretty clear to me. Doubling CO2 from 250 to 500ppm WILL contribute 1.1DegC in warming.. Everything else regarding the "fragile planet" theories and "warming amplification" is ALL speculation and hand-waving.





No, it isn't speculation. Speculation requires empirical data to support your idea. ALL historical data says that warmer is better. PERIOD.

I speculate on investments and choosing dentists all the time without much empirical data. I do better than 50/50... :eusa_whistle:

I've actually heard the word "speculate" many times at conferences.. I do believe it's accepted coinage of advanced research... :tongue:

The warmer science believes wave-particle duality means its a wave when it suits them but a particle when they need it to be. Hence the farce called backradiation or down welling long-wave radiation. A scientific joke that they sell..
 
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All you've applied is a bunch of garbage masquerading as science...GIGO.

Ah, yeah, Newton's Second Law of Motion. Garbage in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an externat force. But can you PROVE, that it's garbage. Cuz if you can't... well then It's like a lack of a sign is a sign. Signentific...
Well, you've described perfectly the bullshit pseudo-science of anthropogenic Goebbels warming.

Waytago! :thup: :lol:

You are on the right track, bullshit does contribute methane.
 
Yep. And there is still a lot of room to debate whether temperature follows CO2, or CO2 follows temperature. Based on observation, I'd say it's the latter.

Seems like the feedback loop causes you similar issues with economics. I understand, feedback systems have always been a pain.
 
Well, yes it is a model. A model is everything from a small physical representation of an object to a dynamic mathematical computer simulation. A model may be a simple equation, a drawing, the digitized representation of an object in a CAD system or the dynamic fluid flow equations in a finite element analysys.

I suppose if one is a scientific illiterate, that simplistic definition of "model" is about all one could handle. For those who grasp science, however, this is the common defnition of the term model.

A conceptual, mathematical, or physical system obeying certain specified conditions, whose behavior is used to understand the physical system to which it is analogous in some way (after McGrawHill, 1974).(2) A conceptual description and the associated mathematical representation of a system, subsystem, components, or condition that is used to predict changes from a baseline state as a function of internal and/or external stimuli and as a function of time and space (10 CFR Part 960.2).

Sorry, I didn't realise how far behind the curve you actually are.
 
If we all waited for "concrete conclusive evidence" for anything, much less everything, to act, we'd all be in the belly of the beast early in life. But don't worry. We won't leave you behind.

So much for your evidence. Or do you define evidence as Subjective extrapolation, or is it just Chicken Little syndrome?

Here's the thing. Evidence is one thing. "Concrete conclusive evidence" is another. See how that works? It's an important point that typically starts to gel around five years old. It's what mom was trying to teach you when she said "hot" hoping that you'd take her word for that.

OK sure, non reproducible, non causal, conjecture is not evidence.

You should be able to tell me with some certainty what catastrophes will happen in the earth is a couple degrees warmer but you can't.

The human race will survive in a warmer climate even if it means more intense storms.

That is a fact.
 
So much for your evidence. Or do you define evidence as Subjective extrapolation, or is it just Chicken Little syndrome?

Here's the thing. Evidence is one thing. "Concrete conclusive evidence" is another. See how that works? It's an important point that typically starts to gel around five years old. It's what mom was trying to teach you when she said "hot" hoping that you'd take her word for that.

OK sure, non reproducible, non causal, conjecture is not evidence.

You should be able to tell me with some certainty what catastrophes will happen in the earth is a couple degrees warmer but you can't.

The human race will survive in a warmer climate even if it means more intense storms.

That is a fact.

Yeah, "the human race will survive" isn't a very lofty goal.
 
Here's the thing. Evidence is one thing. "Concrete conclusive evidence" is another. See how that works? It's an important point that typically starts to gel around five years old. It's what mom was trying to teach you when she said "hot" hoping that you'd take her word for that.

OK sure, non reproducible, non causal, conjecture is not evidence.

You should be able to tell me with some certainty what catastrophes will happen in the earth is a couple degrees warmer but you can't.

The human race will survive in a warmer climate even if it means more intense storms.

That is a fact.

Yeah, "the human race will survive" isn't a very lofty goal.

It's the only goal of evolution is it not?

Face facts sooner or later the human race will become extinct. It's just a matter of time. You'll be long gone by then most likely several thousand generations of your progeny will be gone as well so the last humans will be so far removed from you so as to be considered strangers.

Accept it and don't live your life in fear.
 
OK sure, non reproducible, non causal, conjecture is not evidence.

You should be able to tell me with some certainty what catastrophes will happen in the earth is a couple degrees warmer but you can't.

The human race will survive in a warmer climate even if it means more intense storms.

That is a fact.

Yeah, "the human race will survive" isn't a very lofty goal.

It's the only goal of evolution is it not?

Face facts sooner or later the human race will become extinct. *It's just a matter of time. *You'll be long gone by then most likely several thousand generations of your progeny will be gone as well so the last humans will be so far removed from you so as to be considered strangers.

Accept it and don't live your life in fear.

What are you even talking about?
 
Ah, yeah, Newton's Second Law of Motion. Garbage in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an externat force. But can you PROVE, that it's garbage. Cuz if you can't... well then It's like a lack of a sign is a sign. Signentific...
Well, you've described perfectly the bullshit pseudo-science of anthropogenic Goebbels warming.

Waytago! :thup: :lol:

So basically, you've got nothing. No chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything except "It's pseudo-science" based on no actual knowledge of science.
No, what the warmerists have is no chemistry, no physics, no mathematics and statistics, no biology, no thermodynics, not anything.

That's why they need bullshit computer models where they control the inputs.
 
Location, velocity, acceleration... l, dl/dt, d^2/dt^2(l).

Even small, sustained acceleration means future high velocity. Even small, sustained, velocity means future high location.

When your standing on the edge of a cliff, even small velocity or acceleration means falling off the cliff.

That is how we predict the future, measuring rate of change.

marcott-B-1000.jpg


That is high rate of change.

"In other words, the rate of change is much greater than anything we've seen in the whole Holocene"

Now we look for the canary in the coal mine and hope it isn't dead yet because this is one coal mine we're not walking out of.


The Scariest Climate Change Graph Just Got Scarier | Mother Jones

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years

Climate Desk



exactly what I have been saying. Marcott's re-worked proxy reconstruction was thoroughly demolished for recent times yet the press release will live forever. itfitzme probably doesn't even know about the problems or the author's statement of retraction due to web based criticisms. or perhaps he does and chooses to ignore it.

the media loves a new scary climate story but they have no time or interest for setting the story straight after it has been shown to be incorrect.

every time you look at these type of science-by-press-release stories more closely you find dodgy methodology and exaggerated conclusions. every fucking time.
 
Location, velocity, acceleration... l, dl/dt, d^2/dt^2(l).

Even small, sustained acceleration means future high velocity. Even small, sustained, velocity means future high location.

When your standing on the edge of a cliff, even small velocity or acceleration means falling off the cliff.

That is how we predict the future, measuring rate of change.

That is high rate of change.

"In other words, the rate of change is much greater than anything we've seen in the whole Holocene"

Now we look for the canary in the coal mine and hope it isn't dead yet because this is one coal mine we're not walking out of.


The Scariest Climate Change Graph Just Got Scarier | Mother Jones

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years

Climate Desk



exactly what I have been saying. Marcott's re-worked proxy reconstruction was thoroughly demolished for recent times yet the press release will live forever. itfitzme probably doesn't even know about the problems or the author's statement of retraction due to web based criticisms. or perhaps he does and chooses to ignore it.

the media loves a new scary climate story but they have no time or interest for setting the story straight after it has been shown to be incorrect.

every time you look at these type of science-by-press-release stories more closely you find dodgy methodology and exaggerated conclusions. every fucking time.

Hoping you would clean up that one.. :eusa_angel: I'm getting bored with retail hip hop science slide shows anyway..
 
Location, velocity, acceleration... l, dl/dt, d^2/dt^2(l).

Even small, sustained acceleration means future high velocity. Even small, sustained, velocity means future high location.

When your standing on the edge of a cliff, even small velocity or acceleration means falling off the cliff.

That is how we predict the future, measuring rate of change.

marcott-B-1000.jpg


That is high rate of change.

"In other words, the rate of change is much greater than anything we've seen in the whole Holocene"

Now we look for the canary in the coal mine and hope it isn't dead yet because this is one coal mine we're not walking out of.


The Scariest Climate Change Graph Just Got Scarier | Mother Jones

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years

Climate Desk

exactly what I have been saying. Marcott's re-worked proxy reconstruction was thoroughly demolished for recent times yet the press release will live forever. itfitzme probably doesn't even know about the problems or the author's statement of retraction due to web based criticisms. or perhaps he does and chooses to ignore it.*

the media loves a new scary climate story but they have no time or interest for setting the story straight after it has been shown to be incorrect.

every time you look at these type of science-by-press-release stories more closely you find dodgy methodology and exaggerated conclusions. every fucking time.

You can say whatever you want, but no one is gonna believe you.

Cuz according to Nature;

Global temperatures are close to 11,000-year peak : Nature News & Comment

So some prefer

marcott2.jpg


and

201101-201112.png


Because they don't like

"The temperature trends that the team identified for the past 2,000 years are statistically indistinguishable from results obtained by other researchers in a previous study2, says Marcott. “That gives us confidence that the rest of our record is right too,” he adds."

and

marcott1.jpg


Which, of course, doesn't change

201101-201112.png


and I find no retraction, just a lot of screamimg for it. *

*There is this “The 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes,” they admitted in a news release over Easter."

From*InvestigateDaily ? New global warming scandal hits climate science

But no link to the news release.

Though you are welcome to post it. Here is the university site.*News Releases | News & Research Communications | Oregon State University

Until then, that's the new, and were sticking to it.

Don't you just hate that you just can't contol everyone? *Damn internet

Maybe you should run for election as Internet Police Chief.

marcott retraction - Google Search

(I'm tempted to post thing just to read you get pissed off. *Oop, did I type that out loud?)
 
Yep. And there is still a lot of room to debate whether temperature follows CO2, or CO2 follows temperature. Based on observation, I'd say it's the latter.

Seems like the feedback loop causes you similar issues with economics. I understand, feedback systems have always been a pain.

Comparing a hard science to a soft science and inserting technical talk. I for one, am seriously impressed. :eusa_hand:
 

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