The GOP Health Care Plan

But since the Dims are 100% responsible for shitty Obamacare should they not put forth a plan to fix it? So where is the Dim plan?

Why should the GOP be responsible for cleaning up a Dim mess?
They had nothing but obstruction and repeal; why did the right wing not have AnyThing, but obstruction and repeal, for eight years.


They got shut out of the Obamacare decision......and that's a fact. Then Obama lectured them about elections having "consequences."

So the Dims got what they deserved which is why they lost the House....The Senate......The White House....the Supreme Court.....and about 1,000 State House seats.

Think you better do a little research on your statement of shutting the gop out, in fact there are a few amendments in obamacare the gop added before the dems passes. Oh and there were at least 44 hearings with the gop.
 
What's in the Senate's secret Obamacare repeal bill

It may be ok. It's good to see no more nonsense about "the fed govt has no role in helping people get hc." And reforming mediciad from a "all you can get" program is not a bad idea.

Although they better keep their hands off my medicare. LOL
Healthy people better not be paying for unhealthy peoples care... it's just not right

I paid out of my paychecks my whole lie for the past generations social security and medicare , you are already paying Rustic...
I will never see a penny from Social Security, Medicare… Every bit of money I put in up to this point has been a waste. Fact
planning on dying soon?
No, I'm not even 50 but I do realize I will never see anything from what I paid in over these years - which is fine. But it's best to be honest and not expect anything good from the federal government especially when it comes to socialist entitlement programs...
 
Trump is bs. The gop may be betting that people will be ok with less in coverage for lower coverage cost.
That will work until "less in coverage" translates into a giant medical bill when someone in the family gets sick.

Then Trump and the GOP are doomed.
yeah, but when someone in a family gets really sick, Medicaid is supposed to kick in. So, I guess much depends on how much they cut Medicaid and whether they can make up for some of that in savings. You can't cut Medicaid provicers anymore.
No, when someone in a middle class family gets sick, they do not qualify for Medicaid. The only protection a middle class person has is the catastrophic cap, which is the equivalent of the price of used car before your medical bills stop going up for the year.

And part of that "less in coverage" is a much bigger catastrophic cap. About the cost of a NEW car.

If you have a chronically ill person in your family, you will be hitting the cap every year. Essentially buying a car every year without the benefit of actually getting the car.


I DIDNT KNOW IT WOULD BE THIS HARD


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Trump said NOBODY knew it was going to be hard. :lol:

The man is actually that stupid.


He said the same thing on his wedding night with his wife.
 
I hope they do get 50 votes and blow 15 million people out of the water, and kill medicaid ...

human beings wont have to worry with the horseshit that comes from a RW ran government for decades and decades ...


You have been listening to the Liberal fake news.

The bill continues Medicaid at current funding levels with increases for inflation.

What is cut out is the massive budget breaking Medicaid supplements that the filthy government has been throwing at Obamacare to keep it from completely collapsing. It is a good thing to stop that.at a Federal level. If the states wants to do that then they will have to raise the money somehow.

I wish we would do away with all Medicaid. It is morally wrong for the filthy oppressive government to require that I pay somebody else's bills. We should do away with all welfare in addition to that stupid Medicaid but the bill that you Moon Bats are bitching about doesn't do that. Go bark up another tree.
 
some are calling the Trump Health Bill the "Kardashian Health Bill" because it screws the minorities ....totally f**ks them
 
This GOP bill is really nothing more than Obamacare Light. It still has massive government regulation of the health care and it has subsidizes. Both of those things suck but should be a Liberal's wet dream.

However, it does have one good thing. Planned Parenthood funding eliminated.. Hot damn that is a great thing.
 
if we as the most wealthy industrialized nation cannot get health care right for the rich and poor alike....then America isn't all that great. case closed. no excuses.


You got 15-30 million illegals. 5% are walking into emergency with anything from a sick kid to a gunshot head wound to a Bad Heart (transplant).
As long as you got to pay for all of that...........game over.
As long as they're not using emergency for an Aspirin.
In the Army I had free healthcare. I went on sick call every time I got a headache. 3 hours sitting around doing nothing waiting for my turn to see the doctor to get my Aspirin.
You should have received an Article 15 for malingering.
 
if we as the most wealthy industrialized nation cannot get health care right for the rich and poor alike....then America isn't all that great. case closed. no excuses.


You got 15-30 million illegals. 5% are walking into emergency with anything from a sick kid to a gunshot head wound to a Bad Heart (transplant).
As long as you got to pay for all of that...........game over.
Emergency room care for illegals adds up to about $50 billion a year.

Not even a drop in the $3.2 trillion bucket we spend on health care each year.

Jesus. I'm so sick and tired of tards who fall for the bullshit that all of our problems are "because Mexicans".
 
The Senate Republicans gifted themselves with $50 billion of taxpayer dollars for their and Trump's re-election.

I bet the pseudocon propaganda outlets won't tell them about that.

See Section 106 of the Senate bill.
 
What's in the Senate's secret Obamacare repeal bill

It may be ok. It's good to see no more nonsense about "the fed govt has no role in helping people get hc." And reforming mediciad from a "all you can get" program is not a bad idea.

Although they better keep their hands off my medicare. LOL

Paul, Lee, Cruz, and Johnson have come out basically saying it's still garbage

Senate health care bill: 4 key Republicans come out against GOP plan
Look at those names. You don't even have to read the article to figure out why they are opposed to the bill. :)

"ObamaCare Lite™"
 
I would find it quite amusing that so many people are focused on how to get better health insurance (AKA lower cost), if it were not so udderly tragic. What we need to be focusing on is how to get the cost of health care back in line with the rest of the economy, not how to get "someone else" to pay for it. Really, what even comes close to the inflation of health care? Anything? Is that not the real problem here? The cost of healthcare, not the cost of insurance?
Has it ever dawned on you the more government gets involved the more expensive free stuff becomes?
Of course it has, and that is why I have ALWAYS opposed ANY action on the part of the Federal Government to control any part of the economy. Direction of the whole we can debate, control of any I am not interested in.
 
But since the Dims are 100% responsible for shitty Obamacare should they not put forth a plan to fix it? So where is the Dim plan?

Why should the GOP be responsible for cleaning up a Dim mess?
They had nothing but obstruction and repeal; why did the right wing not have AnyThing, but obstruction and repeal, for eight years.


They got shut out of the Obamacare decision......and that's a fact. Then Obama lectured them about elections having "consequences."

So the Dims got what they deserved which is why they lost the House....The Senate......The White House....the Supreme Court.....and about 1,000 State House seats.

Think you better do a little research on your statement of shutting the gop out, in fact there are a few amendments in obamacare the gop added before the dems passes. Oh and there were at least 44 hearings with the gop.


Name one GOP idea included int he final bill. Just one. :D
 
What's in the Senate's secret Obamacare repeal bill

It may be ok. It's good to see no more nonsense about "the fed govt has no role in helping people get hc." And reforming mediciad from a "all you can get" program is not a bad idea.

Although they better keep their hands off my medicare. LOL
Looking at what is reported as being in the Senate bill, it seems like republicans have forgot the main reason people hate Obamacare, Cost. Exactly what is in the Senate bill that is going to significantly drive down cost?

The removal of the mandate will allow the most healthy (and profitable) insurance subscribers to drop their insurance while still requiring that insurance companies cover the most unhealthy (and costly) subscribers. That is going to increase premiums. Dropping the tax on tanning bed operators will certainly have not reduce the cost of insurance, nor will cutting premium subsidies, cutting medicaid, or planned parenthood.

The existing items in Obamacare that make premiums so high will remain, such as no prexisting conditions exclusion, no cap on yearly maximums, no cap on lifetime maximums, all the essential benefits, allowing parents to carry their kids on their policy to age 26, insurance company reporting requirements, and all the additional protections to subscribers.

It seems these 13 republicans in the Senate that wrote the bill, neglected to talk to the people most concerned, insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, patients, and insurance customers. Republicans should be hoping that this bill does not make it into law before the midterms.
Doctors are expensive because there aren't enough of them to meet demand.
There aren't enough of them to meet demand because they aren't building enough colleges to provide that supply. The colleges are all full. Normally when something is full, you build it bigger to accommodate more customers. These Medical Colleges don't do that because the Federal Government only pays for so many seats. They don't get more government money for building more seats. It's not supposed to work that way. Demand goes up you raise prices or you expand supply to meet demand. Then prices go back down once demand is met. Colleges are not meeting demand.
I agree to some extent the supply vs demand for doctors is certainly a part of the problem but there are a lot of other factors.

I have a grandson that is graduating from High School this year that hopes to study medicine. The hurdles in doing so are huge. To get in med school, he's going have to be in the top 10% of his class due to the problem you mentioned of not enough capacity in med schools.

He's going to an in state university to keep cost down. We are estimating the cost will be $90,000 to $100,000 for undergraduate schooling and living expenses. After graduation and if he get's into med school at the university, the cost will be about $180,000 for 4 years. Plus additional funds are needed while in residency and other misc. expenses. Then there's time, 4 years of undergraduate, 4 years of med School, and 2 years of residency. So we're talking about working your ass off to make the grade for 10 years and forking out or borrowing at least $300,000. So when he starts working he will be 30 years old and have a $300,000 college loan.

First, he needs to find a less expensive school! If he has good grades, he should have plenty of scholarships. My daughter just finished a 4 year degree for less than $50,000, and I didn't pay a dime. Thank you Uncle Sam!
 
But since the Dims are 100% responsible for shitty Obamacare should they not put forth a plan to fix it? So where is the Dim plan?

Why should the GOP be responsible for cleaning up a Dim mess?
They had nothing but obstruction and repeal; why did the right wing not have AnyThing, but obstruction and repeal, for eight years.


They got shut out of the Obamacare decision......and that's a fact. Then Obama lectured them about elections having "consequences."

So the Dims got what they deserved which is why they lost the House....The Senate......The White House....the Supreme Court.....and about 1,000 State House seats.

Think you better do a little research on your statement of shutting the gop out, in fact there are a few amendments in obamacare the gop added before the dems passes. Oh and there were at least 44 hearings with the gop.

Total absolute BULLSHIT!

Go play with someone who will believe in your silly games.
 
But since the Dims are 100% responsible for shitty Obamacare should they not put forth a plan to fix it? So where is the Dim plan?

Why should the GOP be responsible for cleaning up a Dim mess?
They had nothing but obstruction and repeal; why did the right wing not have AnyThing, but obstruction and repeal, for eight years.


They got shut out of the Obamacare decision......and that's a fact. Then Obama lectured them about elections having "consequences."

So the Dims got what they deserved which is why they lost the House....The Senate......The White House....the Supreme Court.....and about 1,000 State House seats.

Think you better do a little research on your statement of shutting the gop out, in fact there are a few amendments in obamacare the gop added before the dems passes. Oh and there were at least 44 hearings with the gop.


Name one GOP idea included int he final bill. Just one. :D
There were 58 hearings in the Senate over the course of a year for the ACA. This fact was obliterated from the minds of you goldfish immediately after passage when the "behind closed doors" meme was invented.

You rubes bleev what you are told to bleev by your masters. You weren't actually paying the slightest attention. You just got in line to be lied to by your propagandists.

The claim that the GOP had no chance to read the bill or make amendments and that it was all done behind closed doors is one giant mountain of manufactured bullshit.

You want just ONE Republican idea in the ACA? Shit, retard, there were 161 GOP amendments passed.

One of them was the requirement that members of Congress and their staff to enroll in the government-run health insurance program.

So there you go, willfully blind monkey.
 
But since the Dims are 100% responsible for shitty Obamacare should they not put forth a plan to fix it? So where is the Dim plan?

Why should the GOP be responsible for cleaning up a Dim mess?
They had nothing but obstruction and repeal; why did the right wing not have AnyThing, but obstruction and repeal, for eight years.


They got shut out of the Obamacare decision......and that's a fact. Then Obama lectured them about elections having "consequences."

So the Dims got what they deserved which is why they lost the House....The Senate......The White House....the Supreme Court.....and about 1,000 State House seats.

Think you better do a little research on your statement of shutting the gop out, in fact there are a few amendments in obamacare the gop added before the dems passes. Oh and there were at least 44 hearings with the gop.

Total absolute BULLSHIT!

Go play with someone who will believe in your silly games.
Were you tards in a coma during all the hearings that went on for A YEAR!?!?!

It's fucking Orwellian how you tards bleev a lie which is so catastrophically in collision with reality.

Amazing.
 
If it cuts Medicaid by a trillion dollars to give the 1% a tax cut, I don't see the "win."
It's not possible tell how much is really being cut without a close analysis of the bill because this bill is just a set of modification to the Affordable Care Act, the Reconciliation Act, and the Internal Revenue Code. It's one on those bills that replaces, adds, and strikes words, phrases, and numbers. The devil is in the details.

If the Senate is going to vote on this bill before July 4th, most Senators won't no what they are voting on. Hopefully the CBO report would be complete before they vote.

The ACA had faults but at least the bill was readable. It was an update of 3 different acts.
 
I'll bet that, at some level, these guys know that getting rid of our insane, seven-headed hydra of a health care delivery/payment "system" and just opening up our already-functioning Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system to all is the way to go, and definitely better than real single payer.

But no, they can't do that, because their base would lose their shit and they would be primaried out of their cushy gubmit jobs.

So here comes Ridiculous Pig 2.0 to replace Ridiculous Pig 1.0.

Enjoy!

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