The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

[Pogo]

It was very revealing that the default position of some people here was that the parents of these kids were innocent victims of Nazi/Chinese communist/North Korean government tactics without knowing a single fact about the case.

There are far too fucking many bozos on this forum who leap to wild goddam conclusions based on their partisan hack biases.

Cut out the bullshit!

Or based on their actual experiences and putting some of the liberal's sayings and writings together over the years.

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

 

[peach174]

Or based on their actual experiences and putting some of the liberal's sayings and writings together over the years.

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

 

[Pogo]

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

May very well be, but it's got nothing to do with the story here as far as we know, since no such basis has been shown.

Now if we wanted to have a discourse on mythmaking via Facebook and the gullibility factor of taking one-sided accounts at face value without waiting for the facts, that would actually be related here.

 

[peach174]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

 

[Pogo]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

Again, that may be true and it could well be worthy of a thread.
But as far as we know it's simply not related here. For all we know this is a case of CPS doing exactly what you'd like to see it reformed into.

 

[dblack]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

Again, that may be true and it could well be worthy of a thread.
But as far as we know it's simply not related here. For all we know this is a case of CPS doing exactly what you'd like to see it reformed into.

That depends on your purpose for discussing it in the first place. If you think we're here to get to bottom of things, to sort out the facts and determine the true story - well, I think you're pissing up a rope. The only thing worth discussing in these topical stories is the questions they raise regarding laws and society. And I don't really get why some of you are so determined to silence such discussion.

 

[peach174]

I have said that if the report done by the news link is true then they are doing the right thing.

So if it isn't about the agency and the family what are we discussing?

 

[orogenicman]

It was very revealing that the default position of some people here was that the parents of these kids were innocent victims of Nazi/Chinese communist/North Korean government tactics without knowing a single fact about the case.

There are far too fucking many bozos on this forum who leap to wild goddam conclusions based on their partisan hack biases.

Cut out the bullshit!

Or based on their actual experiences and putting some of the liberal's sayings and writings together over the years.

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

Right. So it is off topic. I get that.

 

[peach174]

It was very revealing that the default position of some people here was that the parents of these kids were innocent victims of Nazi/Chinese communist/North Korean government tactics without knowing a single fact about the case.

There are far too fucking many bozos on this forum who leap to wild goddam conclusions based on their partisan hack biases.

Cut out the bullshit!

Or based on their actual experiences and putting some of the liberal's sayings and writings together over the years.

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

Right. So it is off topic. I get that.

What's off topic?

 

[Pogo]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

Again, that may be true and it could well be worthy of a thread.
But as far as we know it's simply not related here. For all we know this is a case of CPS doing exactly what you'd like to see it reformed into.

That depends on your purpose for discussing it in the first place. If you think we're here to get to bottom of things, to sort out the facts and determine the true story - well, I think you're pissing up a rope. The only thing worth discussing in these topical stories is the questions they raise regarding laws and society. And I don't really get why some of you are so determined to silence such discussion.

Actually it's the opposite -- the rest of us don't get why some of you are so determined to treat a fantasy as if it's reality on a situation that for all we know does not even exist.

What could be the purpose for that?? Aye, there's the rub.

 

[orogenicman]

Right, so how many people here (raise your hands) have ten children, are living "off the grid", and are being "victimized by evil CPS guvment agents".

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

If you are abusing your child, and it is imperative that the government stop you in a timely manner to protect the child, why the hell would they give you warning of their impending action? So you can flee? Destroy evidence? Unlawful? There was nothing unlawful about what the Sherriff and CPS did in this case. They were doing the job the taxpayers are paying them to do and the state legislature authorized them to do.

 

[orogenicman]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

CPS didn't go there nilly willy. They went to the property with the county Sherriff after formal, legal complaints were filed by neighbors.

 

[peach174]

Discussing corruption in our government departments is not evil CPS government agents.
It has nothing to do with actually being in the exact same situation as this family.
It has to do with how the system is set up and how it should be changed, in order not to have the problems and abuses that is happening within them.

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

If you are abusing your child, and it is imperative that the government stop you in a timely manner to protect the child, why the hell would they give you warning of their impending action? So they can flee? Destroy evidence? Unlawful? There was nothing unlawful about what the Sherriff and CPS did in this case. They were doing the job the taxpayers are paying them to do and the state legislature authorized them to do.

Yes and we all pretty much agreed that it was more than likely the right thing to do, so some of us moved on to the bigger philosophical discussion.

 

[peach174]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

CPS didn't go there nilly willy. They went to the property with the county Sherriff after formal, legal complaints were filed by neighbors.

Where did I say CPS went there?

 

[orogenicman]

Today, the parents were formally charged, the mother with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, the father with menacing for going onto someone's property to get water from a well, then threatened that person when asked to leave.

 

[orogenicman]

The argument is a non sequitur. Has no known basis here.

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

If you are abusing your child, and it is imperative that the government stop you in a timely manner to protect the child, why the hell would they give you warning of their impending action? So they can flee? Destroy evidence? Unlawful? There was nothing unlawful about what the Sherriff and CPS did in this case. They were doing the job the taxpayers are paying them to do and the state legislature authorized them to do.

Yes and we all pretty much agreed that it was more than likely the right thing to do, so some of us moved on to the bigger philosophical discussion.

Oh, you mean how guvment is evil and should not get involved in family matters? Those bigger philosophical discussions?

 

[peach174]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

Again, that may be true and it could well be worthy of a thread.
But as far as we know it's simply not related here. For all we know this is a case of CPS doing exactly what you'd like to see it reformed into.

That depends on your purpose for discussing it in the first place. If you think we're here to get to bottom of things, to sort out the facts and determine the true story - well, I think you're pissing up a rope. The only thing worth discussing in these topical stories is the questions they raise regarding laws and society. And I don't really get why some of you are so determined to silence such discussion.

Because then they would have to face facts that bigger government needs to have reforms.

 

[orogenicman]

The abuse of CPS has been an ongoing discussion since the early 1990's and still nothing much has been done to change the way it is being run.

It needs to be reformed like many of our government departments but no matter which party is in power nothing gets done in any of them.

Again, that may be true and it could well be worthy of a thread.
But as far as we know it's simply not related here. For all we know this is a case of CPS doing exactly what you'd like to see it reformed into.

That depends on your purpose for discussing it in the first place. If you think we're here to get to bottom of things, to sort out the facts and determine the true story - well, I think you're pissing up a rope. The only thing worth discussing in these topical stories is the questions they raise regarding laws and society. And I don't really get why some of you are so determined to silence such discussion.

Because then they would have to face facts that bigger government needs to have reforms.

Such as?

 

[peach174]

The question of the thread is - The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

Yes. And that's based on an assumption that carries no evidence. The linked story doesn't make that point.

Right from the links 1st paragraph
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious.

Several of us have been posting about our own experiences with the agency and that is facts not assumptions.

If you are abusing your child, and it is imperative that the government stop you in a timely manner to protect the child, why the hell would they give you warning of their impending action? So they can flee? Destroy evidence? Unlawful? There was nothing unlawful about what the Sherriff and CPS did in this case. They were doing the job the taxpayers are paying them to do and the state legislature authorized them to do.

Yes and we all pretty much agreed that it was more than likely the right thing to do, so some of us moved on to the bigger philosophical discussion.

Oh, you mean how guvment is evil and should not get involved in family matters? Those bigger philosophical discussions?

You are the only one using the word evil.

 

[orogenicman]

Parents living off the grid with 10 children plead not guilty - wave3.com-Louisville News Weather Sports

On Monday, Joe Naugler's oldest son, Alex Brow, 19, told WAVE 3 News that his father physically and sexually abused him.

The Nauglers are scheduled to appear in court again on the custody issue on Monday, May 18. Joe Naugler will be back in court on the menacing charge on Tuesday, May 26. Nicole Naugler has a pre-trial conference scheduled for Monday, July 6.[/qote]