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The ideology of real politics. The understanding that politics isn't about getting everything you want when you win an election, but rather that it gives you a better bargaining position to attain some of your ideological goals. In a constant give and take. As the primary goal.Reagan would be to the left of Biden?
What ideology?
I don't have an acceptable compromise, because that would be up to the collaborative process. The idea I posted is just an idea. A germ. A seed.forkup
Mac, what you posted is aspirational... not an answer to my question. Since you aren't really stating an acceptable compromise but simply your opinion, and most important directly contradicts the premise of the OP.
You are suggesting as an answer to immigration, funding the emergence of another player in globalization. The exact thing the premise of your OP says the left should be "less combative", about. And is a direct and probably core reason for the resurgence of the extreme right.
It doesn't matter that it makes sense. It doesn't matter that you like it. I was asking what you think would be an acceptable compromise and you come back with a suggestion that is both politically totally unacceptable to the right. But is considerably to the left of what the Democratic establishment would dare suggest.
As I said. The difficulty you experience in coming up with an acceptable compromise should be a big hint to the fact that there is no compromise the right will accept. Invalidating your premise that there's a point to "being less combative" on the left.
He is a radicalized progressive who refuses to accept the outcome of any election that does not keep his party in power.Can anyone explain why Macron is calling for new elections?
The first goal in every collaboration, be it political, personal, or business. Is to establish a coherent premise. That's my goal here.I don't have an acceptable compromise, because that would be up to the collaborative process. The idea I posted is just an idea. A germ. A seed.
A business doesn't enter into a collaborative process knowing what the outcome will be, does it? It doesn't try to predict what innovation will create, does it? It wants a solution.
I'm the first to admit that I really don't understand politics, and this conversation is a perfect example. I don't understand the goals of the behaviors. I thought it was about improving things.
Lol. Voluntarily giving up power, because your party got trounced in an election, because you don't feel you have a mandate anymore is refusing to accept the outcome of an election.He is a radicalized progressive who refuses to accept the outcome of any election that does not keep his party in power.
BTW, there is no 'far right'. The alleged, 'far right' is really centrist liberals from the 1980s. The problem is that the left is radical and far, far, far, left. Paticularly in Europe.
far right blah, blah, blah, blah. You can't even define far right.It would be (very) wrong to look at other important parts of the world right now, and not draw some possible parallels.
Seems (to me) that those parallels are pretty clear: A pushback against what is perceived as anti-nationalism (or, the dilution of nations by immigration and cultural norms). And to get more specific, it's immigration without expectation/requirements of assimilation. There are other issues as well, mostly centering around cultural topics.
We can pretend this isn't happening, or we can consider the possibility that there is a significant number of people who feel this way. To ignore it would be a mistake. To mock it would be a mistake. To attack and punish it would CONTINUE to be a mistake.
Seems to me the concerns are reasonable, even if they are advanced in (very) counterproductive ways. THIS is REAL.
Thoughts?
Germany's far-right makes strong gains in EU vote despite scandals
The far-right Alternative for Germany shrugged off a string of scandals to make solid gains and take second place in Sunday's EU election, according to first exit polls, a result that, if conmfirmed, would underscore the party's resilience ahead of next year's federal election. The forecast...www.yahoo.com
French President Macron calls a snap legislative election after defeat in EU vote
French President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday he was dissolving the National Assembly and calling a snap legislative election after his party suffered a heavy defeat in elections for the European Parliament.apnews.com
EU nightmare over fresh right-wing surge with Scholz humiliated at election
Right-wing forces across the continent are expecting to make gains on their liberal and Left-wing rivals.www.express.co.uk
Do most of them even want to buy a house? My daughter is 29 makes more a year than either the wife or I and she has no desire at all to buy a house. She likes being mobile, likes being able to go where the job takes her.
Owning has some benefits, but also has negatives.
It would be (very) wrong to look at other important parts of the world right now, and not draw some possible parallels.
Seems (to me) that those parallels are pretty clear: A pushback against what is perceived as anti-nationalism (or, the dilution of nations by immigration and cultural norms). And to get more specific, it's immigration without expectation/requirements of assimilation. There are other issues as well, mostly centering around cultural topics.
We can pretend this isn't happening, or we can consider the possibility that there is a significant number of people who feel this way. To ignore it would be a mistake. To mock it would be a mistake. To attack and punish it would CONTINUE to be a mistake.
Seems to me the concerns are reasonable, even if they are advanced in (very) counterproductive ways. THIS is REAL.
Thoughts?
Germany's far-right makes strong gains in EU vote despite scandals
The far-right Alternative for Germany shrugged off a string of scandals to make solid gains and take second place in Sunday's EU election, according to first exit polls, a result that, if conmfirmed, would underscore the party's resilience ahead of next year's federal election. The forecast...French President Macron calls a snap legislative election after defeat in EU vote
French President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday he was dissolving the National Assembly and calling a snap legislative election after his party suffered a heavy defeat in elections for the European Parliament.EU nightmare over fresh right-wing surge with Scholz humiliated at election
Right-wing forces across the continent are expecting to make gains on their liberal and Left-wing rivals.
well since demofks don't negotiate, how does that square?The ideology of real politics. The understanding that politics isn't about getting everything you want when you win an election, but rather that it gives you a better bargaining position to attain some of your ideological goals. In a constant give and take. As the primary goal.
Actually achieving those ideological goals as a secondary goal.
it's very stupid. It assumes someone's political opinion of something that isn't real.I don't have an acceptable compromise, because that would be up to the collaborative process. The idea I posted is just an idea. A germ. A seed.
A business doesn't enter into a collaborative process knowing what the outcome will be, does it? It doesn't try to predict what innovation will create, does it? It wants a solution.
I'm the first to admit that I really don't understand politics, and this conversation is a perfect example. I don't understand the goals of the behaviors. I thought it was about improving things.
Oh really. The last immigration bill the Democrats sponsored was written by a hardline immigration REPUBLICAN.well since demofks don't negotiate, how does that square?
dude the evidence is being shown just yesterday when Morakas was asked why Xiden didn't do whatever this border thing is he just did sooner. And Mayorkas blamed republicans that aren't in control of the border. Sorry, I laugh at the stupid of demofks who think their base is so stupid as to believe that crap. The sad part is they actually do. So all you demofks don't go away mad, just go away. Fk!The first goal in every collaboration, be it political, personal, or business. Is to establish a coherent premise. That's my goal here.
The problem that I've been experiencing with you over the last couple of days. And I want to reiterate that I feel no malice whatsoever here. I think, and I hope you think, we are simply having an honest conversation. Is that you have started and discussed several post were you've identified hyper partisanship from both sides as the reason for the current political climate.
I disagree with that "both sides" premise. Not that I will claim the left is free of sin. What I will claim is a category difference. And I also disagree with the impression you give, (maybe inadvertently) that your proposed solution is that the left compromises, without asking any such thing from the right.
what was the demofks negotiating point of it?Oh really. The last immigration bill the Democrats sponsored was written by a hardline immigration REPUBLICAN.
Republicans tanked it.
So what further "negotiations" do you suggest. Limiting the amount of crocodiles in the moat on the Southern border to "only" 5 per square feet.
I think when you let the other side write the text, you are willing to negotiate.
Yes, I appreciate your civility and (most of all) your curiosity.The first goal in every collaboration, be it political, personal, or business. Is to establish a coherent premise. That's my goal here.
The problem that I've been experiencing with you over the last couple of days. And I want to reiterate that I feel no malice whatsoever here. I think, and I hope you think, we are simply having an honest conversation. Is that you have started and discussed several post were you've identified hyper partisanship from both sides as the reason for the current political climate.
I disagree with that "both sides" premise. Not that I will claim the left is free of sin. What I will claim is a category difference. And I also disagree with the impression you give, (maybe inadvertently) that your proposed solution is that the left compromises, without asking any such thing from the right.
You guys get everything regarding immigration. In exchange for not holding up the aid to Ukraine and Israel. Neither position is very popular with the left wing of the Democrats.what was the demofks negotiating point of it?
The ideology of real politics. The understanding that politics isn't about getting everything you want when you win an election, but rather that it gives you a better bargaining position to attain some of your ideological goals. In a constant give and take. As the primary goal.
Actually achieving those ideological goals as a secondary goal.
Real politics. Who doesn't understand the limits of political power? I'm not here to compromise for comprises sake. It depends on what we're compromising on. Mac1958 thinks the left should compromise with the right on things like LGTBQ rights but there is no compromise to be had with bigots who want to define the limits of others rights based on their bigotry and hatred.
Covid had nothing to do with Trump running up massive debt. This has been discussed repeatedly. Stop lying about it.I despise the Stain for killing the Country late 2019 by launching, spreading and using Fauchi virus to cheat 2020 Election. Nothing you criminals wont stoop to.
you can't explain why we need to give money to ukraine?You guys get everything regarding immigration. In exchange for not holding up the aid to Ukraine and Israel. Neither position is very popular with the left wing of the Democrats.
what the fk does that mean. What is it you mean? say it in English!
I can't fix your kind of stupid. That's beyond even my considerable capabilities....what the fk does that mean. What is it you mean? say it in English!
