The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

[OldLady]

To those who love your country......

What more PROOF than this thread do you need that these Communists Gun Grabbers are willing to give up all your Constitutional Rights in exchange for your oppression?

We are truly already in a Civil War. But through it ALL....remember this......

The exact same day they take your means of self defense, is the exact same day they take your soul and your freedom also.

If your soul is somehow attached to a gun, you're in big trouble.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

If your soul is somehow attached to a gun, you're in big trouble.

No, but my freedom is.
Since you have no soul, I wouldn't expect you to understand

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's not about me. I live in an area where I'm more likely to die from stepping on a junkie's dirty needle than being shot. Or colliding with a moose on Route 1. Ten thousand people a year are murdered with guns. One hundred thousand a decade. That may be statistically insignificant but it is not insignificant from a human standpoint.

Look at you, demonstrating for the class that your position on guns is, indeed, driven by your irrational fears rather than any rationale or reason.

And the countries that significantly limit citizens' access to guns have STATISTICALLY fewer deaths

THERE it is - the post hoc fallacy.
Well done.

There it is - the ad hominem attack.

Nothing here changes the fact your position on guns is based on your irrational fear and post hoc fallacy.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Freedom around the entire world is on the brink and the only thing keeping it balanced is firearm ownership in the U.S.

Think about it.

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[Rigby5]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sounds good to me. What's an air rifle? Can you hunt with one?

How many hoops do you want to jump through for your First, Fouth and Fifith amendment rights?

How many classes should you have to pay for and take?

How many permits should you get?

No 4th Amendment classes passed with a high enough score? Tough shit. Cops can search your home anytime they want.

No permit for your 8th Amendment rights? Tough shit. While the cops are ransacking your home searching for contraband they can torture you at the same time

We are talking about the Second. I don't see why it was ever put in the Bill of Rights as an "assumed" right. Owning guns? What does that have to do with natural rights or liberty? Guns are a weapon of war, designed specifically and solely to kill. Why did the Founding Fathers set us up as a country perpetually at war by granting a universal "right" to own guns? Now, the FF say it was to keep the militias ready for action. There was no standing army and the FF didn't want one.
The Second Amendment no longer applies because we do now have a gigantic standing army equipped with 100 times more powerful weapons than we civilians can own.

What applies to one right applies to all.

And we are not perpetually at war because civilians own guns.

Our military is not sanctioned to operate on US soil.

And the Constitution clearly states that the people ave the right to keep and bear arms

Don't like it then repeal the second amendment.

And just to remind you; you have a 99.997% chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun how much closer do you want to get before you feel "safe"?

It's not about me. I live in an area where I'm more likely to die from stepping on a junkie's dirty needle than being shot. Or colliding with a moose on Route 1. Ten thousand people a year are murdered with guns. One hundred thousand a decade. That may be statistically insignificant but it is not insignificant from a human standpoint. And the countries that significantly limit citizens' access to guns have STATISTICALLY fewer deaths. Gun deaths are not like flu deaths which are germs we can't control and are not like car accidents, which are ... accidents. Gun deaths are entirely unnecessary because none of us needs to have a weapon. Not any of us except the trained police etc. who need them. In the U.K., there are so few guns and so few shootings that half the cops are not even armed with a gun. People notice if a cop is carrying; they apologize for it.

I can sympathize with how you are seeing this, but your mistake is that over 90% of all murders are due to the War on Drugs, and have nothing to do with guns or gun laws.

When you have a War on Drugs like we do, that makes drugs so profitable that poor people can't resist the profits.
But they also can't use banks or call police for defense, so they have to be armed, and turf wars amount to almost all the murders. This is identical to Prohibitions, when there was a 400% increase in murders, just like when the War on Drugs started.
End the War on Drugs, and the murders and people all carrying hidden guns everywhere, goes away.

And the War on Drugs is inherently illegal as well. There is no federal jurisdiction over drugs in the Constitution. And if poor people want a cheap high instead of spending thousands on a weekend getaway to ski, bungee jump, skydive, or any of the more dangerous pass times of the wealthy, so be it. It is their right. There likely is not valid basis for any nanny legislation.

The reality is that the reason other countries do not have such high shooting rates is because they do not have such a crazy War on Drugs like the US has. Gun laws have nothing to do with it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You bed wetters should just move to North Korea. There's no guns allowed in private possession at all.

You might get killed by an anti-aircraft cannon, but what the hell... Is that too big a price to pay for utopia?

You status quo people should really wake up. One day a majority of Americans will be so fed up with gun violence that they will do something like is proposed here. So you should do something now while you still have a say.

Nightly visit to those home of gun grabbers will be inorder.

I think you mean nightly visits to gun owners homes will be required.

First, most sheriffs won't abide. Those depts that do will lose more officers than you can imagine because most cops oppose the anti-2A agenda and will be criminals themselves.

Secondly, yes there will be gunfights at front doors on occasions and the costs will certainly outweigh any practical purpose of attempting to disarm the public.

It's a non-starter. The bed wetters who are all for door to door gun grabbing are limited to the extreme fringes of dumbfuckery, and believe that just because they squeal louder than anyone else they represent much greater numbers than they actually do.

Politically gun control is not popular, no matter what the media's manipulation polls say, when the votes are counted democrooks know they lose their asses by supporting the gun grabber agenda.


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No I meant exactly what I said gun owners will not roll over and take it we'll know who the gun grabbers are and that's that.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, it would do something to prevent criminals, etc. from obtaining firearms. Because if they weren't in circulation or available in this country, where would the bad guys get one?

They'd steal them. Or make them.

You can't steal what isn't there.

Law enforcement won't have guns? The military wont have guns?
People can't make guns?

Hillbillies can make 'shine, but it's still illegal.

That is sort of the point, in that making moonshine illegal only increased the problem.
It increased the price, made it more profitable, and resulted in higher stakes that caused more deaths.
That is why we ended Prohibition, because it caused a huge spike in murders,. as well as an increased rate of alcohol consumption.
Government is foolish when it destroys its own credibility like that.
People will deliberately do out of their way to violate laws they feel are wrong.

 

[busybee01]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

In order to Graduate from High School, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

How about THAT?


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I don't like placing requirements on a right as for me I try to get in as much training as possible since I am well-regulated firearms owner.

 

[Anathema]

The Second Amendment was written before the Invention of multiple shot, rapid fire, high velocity weaponry. Food for thought? If you need for hunting 1 shot at a time is sufficient. Then 95% accuracy would be hunting skill wouldn't it!

The First Amendment was written before typewriters, computers, telephone, television and all modern forms of communication. If you want my modern firearms, I want all forms of modern communications shut down as well.

 

[Dick Foster]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

How about none dumbass, treat the disease not the symptom.

 

[TRFjr]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

the government isn't allowed to make it overly burdensome to excessive a right
been ruled that why with voting been ruled that way with abortion

 

[Rigby5]

To those who love your country......

What more PROOF than this thread do you need that these Communists Gun Grabbers are willing to give up all your Constitutional Rights in exchange for your oppression?

We are truly already in a Civil War. But through it ALL....remember this......

The exact same day they take your means of self defense, is the exact same day they take your soul and your freedom also.

If your soul is somehow attached to a gun, you're in big trouble.

Not at all.
The soul is the source of ones sense of ethics, and taking up your responsibility to defend individual rights is part of it, for everyone.
That is why technology has always been focused on weapons above all else historically.
That is not just to hunt for food, but for defense.
And no matter how we do things to make this a less personal responsibility, like inventing police about a 130 years ago, the personal responsibility never goes away because things like police that we create, can become even more of a threat than before.
Just look at the Gestapo, Stazi, KGB, Savik, kapos, etc.
If you aid the creation of Gestapo, Stazi, KGB, Savik, kapos, etc., then you have already lost your soul.

 

[Rigby5]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

No, it is not constitutional for the existence of ANY federal weapons legislation.
The 2nd amendment does not prevent state or local gun laws, but it does totally and completely prevent any federal ones.

 

[BluesLegend]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

In what country, communist China??

 

[Rigby5]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

the government isn't allowed to make it overly burdensome to excessive a right
been ruled that why with voting been ruled that way with abortion

Gun rights are not only protected by the 2nd amendment, but the 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th as well.
It should be pretty clear from reading the founders opinions, that they wanted citizen soldiers and absolutely no federal weapons jurisdiction at all.

 

[TRFjr]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

No, it is not constitutional for the existence of ANY federal weapons legislation.
The 2nd amendment does not prevent state or local gun laws, but it does totally and completely prevent any federal ones.

wrong a state isn't allowed to pass laws that violate the constitution or make it overly burdensome to exercise a right
its why state abortion laws keep getting overturned by the federal court

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Sorry, but the Constitution says otherwise.

The Constitution does not say otherwise. Regulation of gun sales is constitutional.

It is described as (and is) a right.


right

1) n. an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal. These rights include: various freedoms; protection against interference with enjoyment of life and property; civil rights enjoyed by citizens such as voting and access to the courts; natural rights accepted by civilized societies;

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

We have already conceded too much on this RIGHT. Why should we give more?

Arm yourselves. It is your only alternative.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Again, the fate of world freedom is on the brink, and American gun ownership is the only thing holding back the oppressors.

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[Pete7469]

In order to Graduate from High School, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

How about THAT?


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I don't like placing requirements on a right as for me I try to get in as much training as possible since I am well-regulated firearms owner.

You don't have a right to a High School Diploma.