The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

[Taz]

When the US society matures, the 2nd will be toast, and your guns will be considered historical artifacts. Game over.

Come and get them.

It's not going to happen right away, but as a society gets more mature, their obsession for guns will diminish
.

Come and get them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When the US society matures, the 2nd will be toast, and your guns will be considered historical artifacts. Game over.

Come and get them.

tough guy
lol

You fail to realize the 2nd was enacted because of people like you.
You want to get rid of the guns, you have to take them from people who won;t give them up.
Well, not YOU - you're more than willing to send -other- people to die as a means to settle your irrational fears.

I'm not afraid, not even of you.

Your position on guns proves otherwise.
You have an irrational fear of inanimate objects.

 

[Blues Man]

Yeah screw the fact that 99.999% of gun owners will NEVER commit murder.

I wonder what crimes I can hold you accountable for simply because you own an object some piece of shit criminal uses to commit a crime

10,000 people a year do commit murder with guns. Let's stop using meaningless percentages that make those 10,000 people seem irrelevant.
10,000 people are murdered every year with guns. It is not 10,000 people one time in this country. It is every year. From 2009 to 2019, that is 100,000 people murdered with guns.
How many do there have to be before it is important to you?

Well over 100 million people who own guns do not and will not ever commit murder with any weapon. You want to lump everyone in with the fucking murderers

Facts are facts and the fact is you are so afraid that you are seeking a level of safety that is in all reality unattainable.

And I have said we need to enforce the laws we have that actually target the people responsible for crimes.

70% of murders take place in very well defines areas of the country and most of those murders are committed by people who are already legally prohibited from possessing any firearms.

Your answer to that is to tell people who have dome everything in accordance with the law and who are responsible in their ownership of firearms that they ar o better than the fucking criminals who are bared from legally owning guns.

And you seem to forget that humans beings have murdered other human beings since we have been on the planet to the tune of hundreds of millions of people.

You are never going to stop that.

And that humans are the most violent and most murderous animal that has ever existed is proof that you should be prepared to protect yourself from other human beings.

You simply have no right, no authority , no moral position that can justify treating people who will NEVER commit murder as if they are guilty of that most heinous of crimes

Look at every other developed nation that has at least five times less gun homicides than us. It is because they limit who can own firearms. We are out of control. Your arguments don't change that.

No it's not.

Do you reallt think something as complex as violence in society can be boiled down to just one thing ?

I'll ask again
How naive are you anyway?

Smart enough to see the correlation as proven over and over and over.
If you'd read this thread, you'd know I already said there is a lot more to reducing gun violence than JUST restricting the guns. But restricting the weapons is definitely on the list.

but not smart enough to know that correlation does not equal causation

 

[M14 Shooter]

When the US society matures, the 2nd will be toast, and your guns will be considered historical artifacts. Game over.

Come and get them.

It's not going to happen right away, but as a society gets more mature, their obsession for guns will diminish
.

Come and get them.

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Ah. You can't handle the truth.
No surprise.

 

[OldLady]

The 2nd amendment allows civilians to own firearms which kill people. Therefor, extra restrictions and test are needed to insure the public is safe from civilians that legally own such weapons. This is not an issue with the other amendments.

People can own thousands of things that can be used to kill people.

Little fact for you

There are an estimated 393 million privately owned firearms in this country.
About 11000 people get murdered by a person who uses a gun

You'll note I didn't say murdered by a gun because a gun cannot murder anyone

so .0027% of privately owned guns are used annually in murders

here's another little fact

.003% of the population are murdered annually by people using guns.

IOW you have a 99.997% chance of not being murdered by a person using a gun in any one year

We need to bring the number of privately owned firearms in the country down to roughly 1 million. The restrictions suggested in the first post should eventually achieve that goal.

No we don't. As I have already told you less than .0027% of privately owned firearms are ever used to commit murder

All we need to do if get guns away from people who are already legally prohibited from owning them

Lots of mass shootings occur with those legally owning firearms. The civilian population is already restricted from owning most weapons that the United States Military has in its inventory. This is simply a further restriction to bring down the number of deaths by firearms per year as well as reduce the number of mass shootings. Civilians don't need any firearms, but if they can pass the test and background checks, they may own a shot gun or an Air Rifle. That is safe and sensible Gun Control that will work well for the entire country.

Citizens are not required to ‘justify’ the exercising of a fundamental right as a ‘prerequisite’ to indeed do so.

Whether or not citizens ‘need’ to possess a firearm is legally and constitutionally irrelevant.

The Second is an archaic amendment that no longer applies. The Constitution was designed to be changed with the times. It is time for the Second to go.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Second is an archaic amendment that no longer applies. The Constitution was designed to be changed with the times. It is time for the Second to go.

Amend it.
Good luck.

 

[Blues Man]

People can own thousands of things that can be used to kill people.

Little fact for you

There are an estimated 393 million privately owned firearms in this country.
About 11000 people get murdered by a person who uses a gun

You'll note I didn't say murdered by a gun because a gun cannot murder anyone

so .0027% of privately owned guns are used annually in murders

here's another little fact

.003% of the population are murdered annually by people using guns.

IOW you have a 99.997% chance of not being murdered by a person using a gun in any one year

We need to bring the number of privately owned firearms in the country down to roughly 1 million. The restrictions suggested in the first post should eventually achieve that goal.

No we don't. As I have already told you less than .0027% of privately owned firearms are ever used to commit murder

All we need to do if get guns away from people who are already legally prohibited from owning them

Lots of mass shootings occur with those legally owning firearms. The civilian population is already restricted from owning most weapons that the United States Military has in its inventory. This is simply a further restriction to bring down the number of deaths by firearms per year as well as reduce the number of mass shootings. Civilians don't need any firearms, but if they can pass the test and background checks, they may own a shot gun or an Air Rifle. That is safe and sensible Gun Control that will work well for the entire country.

Citizens are not required to ‘justify’ the exercising of a fundamental right as a ‘prerequisite’ to indeed do so.

Whether or not citizens ‘need’ to possess a firearm is legally and constitutionally irrelevant.

The Second is an archaic amendment that no longer applies. The Constitution was designed to be changed with the times. It is time for the Second to go.

It will always apply because people will always have the right to defend themselves with the best tool for the job

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

do they have to do a hand stand too?....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, it would do something to prevent criminals, etc. from obtaining firearms. Because if they weren't in circulation or available in this country, where would the bad guys get one?

They'd steal them. Or make them.

You can't steal what isn't there.

Law enforcement won't have guns? The military wont have guns?
People can't make guns?

 

[Taz]

When the US society matures, the 2nd will be toast, and your guns will be considered historical artifacts. Game over.

Come and get them.

It's not going to happen right away, but as a society gets more mature, their obsession for guns will diminish
.

Come and get them.

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Ah. You can't handle the truth.
No surprise.

I'm not even expecting it in our lifetimes, but sooner or later, it's going to happen. Because humans are evolving to be smarter, and in time, the smart people will outnumber the hillbillies.

 

[Blues Man]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

do they have to do a hand stand too?....

No something even harder

Removing the OP's mouth from the dead cock of Comrade Stalin

 

[M14 Shooter]

Come and get them.

It's not going to happen right away, but as a society gets more mature, their obsession for guns will diminish
.

Come and get them.

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Ah. You can't handle the truth.
No surprise.

I'm not even expecting it in our lifetimes, but sooner or later, it's going to happen.

 

[captkaos]

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

Why on Earth would anyone go through all of that crap to be told all they can own is a shotgun or an air rifle?

Your whole concept is ridiculous and unconstitutional but this struck me as the most outlandish part of the whole thing (along with the 95% accuracy test). - which LEOs and most military couldn’t even pass)

The idea is to restrict and limit firearm use among civilians. You don't want to give weapons of mass destruction to just anyone. So, yes, having to get a 95% accuracy on the test is a good way to achieve that. Such an accurate shooter is less likely to cause an accident.

They are also less likely to miss! I prefer to be stalked by un trained psychos. Like someone with say a 20% accuracy. Train people to be bad shots is a better idea. Maybe single shot firearms is an answer. Rifle, shotgun, pistol, hard to kill 30 people in 2 minutes if you have to constantly stop to reload that bitch. I'm going to take real grief for this next reply. The Second Amendment was written before the Invention of multiple shot, rapid fire, high velocity weaponry. Food for thought? If you need for hunting 1 shot at a time is sufficient. Then 95% accuracy would be hunting skill wouldn't it!

 

[Taz]

It's not going to happen right away, but as a society gets more mature, their obsession for guns will diminish
.

Come and get them.

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Ah. You can't handle the truth.
No surprise.

I'm not even expecting it in our lifetimes, but sooner or later, it's going to happen.

More hillbillies have to die out first. The US is fucking totally loaded with them.

 

[TRFjr]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

let's apply that to other rights why don't we see if you like it
lets say like abortions or voting

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

4 fatally injured in stabbing spree in Southern California, suspect nabbed

https://www.foxnews.com/us/southern-california-suspect-kills-4-injures-2-in-series-of-stabbings-robberies

oops....looks like we need restrictions for knives too.
And while we're at it....you know cars and trucks are gonna be used if guns are restricted sooooo

Imagine how many people he could have killed with an AR-15.

Ok....
Soooooo you don't care if a mother and child get stabbed to death?
You don't care if a "few" people die.....

You ONLY care if the same number of people are shot.....with a gun.......mmmmm......very interesting

Where do you draw the line? If your allowed to own more than a shotgun or Air Rifle, where do you draw the line? Do you think people should own nuclear weapons?

This is what makes sense for civilians to own. For the average Joe on the street to own, if they can pass the tests and background checks. It will save lives. Eventually, such laws will become normal in the United States. The majority of the population will demand it.

Don't be a fucking idiot.

There is absolutely no analogy that can be used comparing a firearm to a nuclear bomb

Ok, Firearm to an M-60 Machine Gun. Again, most weapons in the inventory of the United States military are not allowed to be owned by civilians. This is simply tightening the restrictions a bit. Only Shotguns and Air Rifles for civilians provided they are able to pass the tests and background checks.

Wrong.

And M-60 machine gun is a weapon designated as dangerous and unusual by the Second Amendment whose possession is not entitled to Constitutional protections; handguns are not – they are considered to be in common use and their possession is therefore entitled to Constitutional protections.

What you’re advocating for is prima facie un-Constitutional by seeking to prohibit the possession of a class of weapons citizens have a fundamental right to indeed possess.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Come and get them.

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Ah. You can't handle the truth.
No surprise.

I'm not even expecting it in our lifetimes, but sooner or later, it's going to happen.

More hillbillies have to die out first. The US is fucking totally loaded with them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And M-60 machine gun is a weapon designated as dangerous and unusual by the Second Amendment..

You cannot cite a ruling from the USSC to this effect.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You bed wetters should just move to North Korea. There's no guns allowed in private possession at all.

You might get killed by an anti-aircraft cannon, but what the hell... Is that too big a price to pay for utopia?

You status quo people should really wake up. One day a majority of Americans will be so fed up with gun violence that they will do something like is proposed here. So you should do something now while you still have a say.

i agree....if Congress is forced to do something....well you know what happens when these people are forced to do something....many times not very good for one of the sides,and we know what side will get fucked if they do....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Most – if not all – of these measures would be invalidated by the courts as an undue burden on the Second Amendment right, particularly where handguns are concerned.

There are also potential Fourth, Fifth, and 14th Amendment violations.

It is obvious that the Second Amendment would have to go.

Actually I don't think it does. After all, Civilians are currently now allowed to own the vast majority of types of weapons that the United States military has in its inventory. So, this is simply tightening the current restrictions a little bit with respect to that fact.

The 2nd amendment would remain allowing Civilians to own Shotguns or Air Rifles provided they pass certain tests and background checks.

Second Amendment case law is in its infancy – currently evolving; it could be another 100 years before the Supreme Court codifies a comprehensive jurisprudence as to what weapons are entitled to Constitutional protections and what weapons are not.

But in accordance with current Second Amendment jurisprudence, your proposals would not pass Constitutional muster.