The Homosexual Dilemma

[bodecea]

It's particularly amusing considering that the biblical story of Sodom etc places them in Canaan...and it was actually 5 cities with 4 of them being destroyed...even tho it's only the first 2 that seem to be remembered. But it's only a tale.

Scholars believe that most Biblical "tales" have their roots in actual Historical events. The written version is frequently aggrandized and exaggerated, but no serious scholar takes them as 100% literal, only religious zealots.

Abraham, forebear of the Hebrews, is believed to have come from a region of modern day Iraq known as "Ur" not far from the region of Mohenjo Daro - some of the Old Test.Biblical tales - such as Sodom & Gomorrah are theorized to have derived from there. In fact there is even a theory that Brahma and ABraham are one and the same Historical character.

Ur is in Mesopotamian...near where the Tigris and Euphrates come together....not anywhere near the Indus river valley.

Right ... and the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey ...not New York

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Thanks for proving my point. According to your own map and it's scale, where Ur has been discovered and where the Indus Valley is are about 1000 miles apart. Thanks.

And UR and Canaan are even further than that - If you are attempting to demonstrate how hopelessly infantile, ignorant and intellectually slovenly you truly are ..... you're doing a wonderful Job !

Abraham originally was from Ur, according to the "tale"...but traveled to Canaan....which was STILL part of the Fertile Crescent and NOT, as you ridiculously claim, farther away than the Indus Valley. In fact, looking at your map, he could have easily traveled up river to get close to Canaan.

You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[GreenBean]

Soooooo, where are the ruins?

One other point....while you keep saying things like "every historical event that puts on stage the thunderous fall of societies" you can only list two cities (not societies, btw) that anyone anywhere has any archaeological evidence EVEN EXISTED. And if you go by the bible, which I assume you are, even that states they were destroyed over the inhospitality of their people....NOT homosexuality.

Incorrect. The answer to why the cities were destroyed is recorded in Genesis "because the outcry to the Lord against them has become great" (Genesis 19:13)

Let's review the evidence. When two angels came to the house of Lot, Genesis records that "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, young and old, surrounded the house, saying to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight. Bring them out so we can have sex with them." When Lot offered his daughters, they refused, for they were attracted to the angels who were men, not to women.

So in summary, EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape the angels who visited Lot. No wonder the angel reported that all their neighbors decried their oppression. The city was full of roving gangs of homosexual rapists.

Now you on the Left who despise God and God's word to begin with have set up a contradiction that doesn't exist. Ezekiel 16 mentions Sodom saying "Now this was the sin of your Sister Sodom, she and her daughters were arrogant and overfed. They were not concerned for the poor and needy and did not help them." This wasn't a refutation to the main reason that the cities were destroyed, but a corollary of its initial sin. Cities who hold as it's highest value the indulgence of the flesh and the oppression of human decency are utterly bereft of charity. Selfish people don't take care of the poor and homosexuals are indeed selfish.

But the Bible is clear on why the cities were destroyed, Jude 7 confirming, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

There's no doubt what the Bible says about the destruction of those cities and the reason for it. It only becomes unclear to those who hate God, despise his righteousness, and will twist his words to pervert their meaning. That's you.

This is what the bible says:

Jeremiah 23 14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.

Hmmmm...."adultery" they say? Adultery? Not homosexuality.

Hey Slimey - you know nothing of theology or etymology - The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah was about faggots and other assorted perverts - people we today call LGBT .

Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver.

Genesis 19:5
New International Version
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New Living Translation
They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"

English Standard Version
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

I've already given them this info. What's remarkable is that EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape those angels, yet the homosexual Left insists that homosexuality was not the main issue. People who hate God and God's word will not endure the rightly divided word of truth.

Where does it say that?

For the Umpteenth Time ...

Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5

Got it ? Good - stop trying to pretend it doesn't exist - it destroys your argument slime ball

 

[GreenBean]

Scholars believe that most Biblical "tales" have their roots in actual Historical events. The written version is frequently aggrandized and exaggerated, but no serious scholar takes them as 100% literal, only religious zealots.

Abraham, forebear of the Hebrews, is believed to have come from a region of modern day Iraq known as "Ur" not far from the region of Mohenjo Daro - some of the Old Test.Biblical tales - such as Sodom & Gomorrah are theorized to have derived from there. In fact there is even a theory that Brahma and ABraham are one and the same Historical character.

Ur is in Mesopotamian...near where the Tigris and Euphrates come together....not anywhere near the Indus river valley.

Right ... and the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey ...not New York

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Thanks for proving my point. According to your own map and it's scale, where Ur has been discovered and where the Indus Valley is are about 1000 miles apart. Thanks.

And UR and Canaan are even further than that - If you are attempting to demonstrate how hopelessly infantile, ignorant and intellectually slovenly you truly are ..... you're doing a wonderful Job !

Abraham originally was from Ur, according to the "tale"...but traveled to Canaan....which was STILL part of the Fertile Crescent and NOT, as you ridiculously claim, farther away than the Indus Valley. In fact, looking at your map, he could have easily traveled up river to get close to Canaan.

You're not very good at this, are you?

Clutching at straws - huh fish breath ??
You aren't even worth having a discussion with Connecticut is next to NY as is New Jersey - distance is relative and you're one pathetic dumbass

 

[bodecea]

Incorrect. The answer to why the cities were destroyed is recorded in Genesis "because the outcry to the Lord against them has become great" (Genesis 19:13)

Let's review the evidence. When two angels came to the house of Lot, Genesis records that "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, young and old, surrounded the house, saying to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight. Bring them out so we can have sex with them." When Lot offered his daughters, they refused, for they were attracted to the angels who were men, not to women.

So in summary, EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape the angels who visited Lot. No wonder the angel reported that all their neighbors decried their oppression. The city was full of roving gangs of homosexual rapists.

Now you on the Left who despise God and God's word to begin with have set up a contradiction that doesn't exist. Ezekiel 16 mentions Sodom saying "Now this was the sin of your Sister Sodom, she and her daughters were arrogant and overfed. They were not concerned for the poor and needy and did not help them." This wasn't a refutation to the main reason that the cities were destroyed, but a corollary of its initial sin. Cities who hold as it's highest value the indulgence of the flesh and the oppression of human decency are utterly bereft of charity. Selfish people don't take care of the poor and homosexuals are indeed selfish.

But the Bible is clear on why the cities were destroyed, Jude 7 confirming, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

There's no doubt what the Bible says about the destruction of those cities and the reason for it. It only becomes unclear to those who hate God, despise his righteousness, and will twist his words to pervert their meaning. That's you.

This is what the bible says:

Jeremiah 23 14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.

Hmmmm...."adultery" they say? Adultery? Not homosexuality.

Hey Slimey - you know nothing of theology or etymology - The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah was about faggots and other assorted perverts - people we today call LGBT .

Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver.

Genesis 19:5
New International Version
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New Living Translation
They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"

English Standard Version
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

I've already given them this info. What's remarkable is that EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape those angels, yet the homosexual Left insists that homosexuality was not the main issue. People who hate God and God's word will not endure the rightly divided word of truth.

Where does it say that?

For the Umpteenth Time ...

Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5

Got it ? Good - stop trying to pretend it doesn't exist - it destroys your argument slime ball

Stories.....you've got stories. Shall I pull out Lord of the Rings now?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ur is in Chaldea far, far to the east of Palestine.

The violation of hospitality, goes the Hebrew myth, led to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Ubiquitor]

This thread demonstrates perfectly why these civil rights have had to be given via the courts.

 

[pillars]

In all seriousness, who gives a fuck what an ancient document written by an ancient people has to say on the subject? That should not be driving public policy. If you're not gay and don't want to be gay, great. If you are gay, you should be allowed the same opportunities for life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that anyone else is.

If you don't like someone else's gayness, gfy. I don't like your bigotry, but you're still allowed to be a bigot.

 

[pillars]

I have never, and probably will never understand why it is such a dilemma for people to MYOB on the gay issue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

 

[Syriusly]

Yes it is. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of the outcry of their neighbors. This is what was told to Lot. It became an oppressive force and one way or another it had to be stopped. It's the first recorded example of a homosexual culture destroying itself. I'm not going to even bother moving on to Greece and Rome if you're an idiot that denies history. There's no way to have a rational discussion with you.

Where are the ruins? If these were two cities....there should be ruins like there are of Jericho, of Ur, of Troy. Where are they?

And once again...if you go by the bible...those two "cities" were not destroyed because of homosexuality....they were destroyed because of their inhospitality to strangers.

The ruins of Sodom and Gomorah are in Pakistan - they are known as Mohenjo-Daro. It is actually the ruins of twin cities and modern science can not explain how it was destroyed .

"When archeologists got to the street level, people were lying dead in the street - after thousands of years." David H. Childress / Technology of the Gods: The Incredible Sciences of the Ancients.

Had a natural catastrophe, disease, or conventional war brought down Mohenjo Daro the bodies of its citizenry would have been ravaged by animals , and the city plundered by subsequent looters over the centuries. This never happened, Dozens of skeletons were found in the area of Mohenjo-Daro – their radioactivity exceeded the norm almost 50 times.


Russian researchers found a skeleton with a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India which also show evidence of intense explosions .{Riddles of Ancient History - Sputnik Magazine - Alexander Gorbovsky}

Atomic warfare in Ancient India

Atomic warfare in Ancient India? Really?

LOL.....

It's particularly amusing considering that the biblical story of Sodom etc places them in Canaan...and it was actually 5 cities with 4 of them being destroyed...even tho it's only the first 2 that seem to be remembered. But it's only a tale.

Scholars believe that most Biblical "tales" have their roots in actual Historical events. The written version is frequently aggrandized and exaggerated, but no serious scholar takes them as 100% literal, only religious zealots.

Abraham, forebear of the Hebrews, is believed to have come from a region of modern day Iraq known as "Ur" not far from the region of Mohenjo Daro - some of the Old Test.Biblical tales - such as Sodom & Gomorrah are theorized to have derived from there. In fact there is even a theory that Brahma and ABraham are one and the same Historical character.

I do realize that most of this is beyond your ability to grasp given the minuscule intellectual capacity you have to work with - but you do realize that it is only a theory - there are some alternative claimants to being Sodom & Gomorrah - such as that it was on a plain south of the Dead Sea and later covered by the waters as the Dead sea water levels changed.

Sorry- I am still laughing at your reference to Atomic warfare in Ancient India.....

 

[Redfish]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

more horseshit. Biology is not based on the Bible or some form of puritanism. Human sexuality is biological, there are males and females for a reason. Homosexuality is an aberation of the human condition, it is a mental illness, it is not normal.

you cannot declare it normal by court order or executive dictate.

gay marriage is an oxymoron.

 

[Syriusly]

This is what the bible says:

Jeremiah 23 14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.

Hmmmm...."adultery" they say? Adultery? Not homosexuality.

Hey Slimey - you know nothing of theology or etymology - The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah was about faggots and other assorted perverts - people we today call LGBT .

Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver.

Genesis 19:5
New International Version
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New Living Translation
They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"

English Standard Version
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

I've already given them this info. What's remarkable is that EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape those angels, yet the homosexual Left insists that homosexuality was not the main issue. People who hate God and God's word will not endure the rightly divided word of truth.

Actually St.Mike - I am not a Christian or Jew - but do know my scriptures - and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was primarily about Homosexuals - it's not even debatable.

Yet it is a topic that is regularly debated. Are you ignorant or a liar? Well clearly you are both.

There are whole books that debate the subject. Here is one discussion of the various theories:

The scholar and activist Jay Michaelson proposes a reading of the story of Sodom that emphasizes the violation of hospitality as well as the violence of the Sodomites. "Homosexual rape is the way in which they violate hospitality—not the essence of their transgression. Reading the story of Sodom as being about homosexuality is like reading the story of an ax murderer as being about an ax."[38] Michaelson places the story of Sodom in context with other Genesis stories regarding Abraham's hospitality to strangers, and argues that when other texts in the Hebrew Bible mention Sodom, they do so without commentary on homosexuality. The verses cited by Michaelson include Jeremiah 23:14,[Jeremiah 23:14] where the sins of Jerusalem are compared to Sodom and are listed as adultery, lying, and strengthening the hands of evildoers; Amos 4:1-11 (oppressing the poor and crushing the needy);[Amos 4:1-11] and Ezekiel 16:49-50,[Ezekiel 16:49-50] which defines the sins of Sodom as "pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and did toevah before me, and I took them away as I saw fit." Michaelson uses toevah in place of abomination to emphasize the original Hebrew, which he explains as being more correctly translated as "taboo".[39]

So those were some of the OTHER perceived sins of the Sin Cities ... uh huh ..

while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.


Genesis 19:5

They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

But, but, but....you said the issue is not even debatable.

I pointed out that your claim was not only false- but that there is a very active debate on the issue.

You are hardly an authority on anything in the ancient world- which you revealed quite hilariously by citing the article about 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India"

 

[Redfish]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

ok, lets see some proof of your 75% claim. Or you can just admit that you made it up.

 

[Syriusly]

The females were an offering to save his own ass from Gay gang rape

That part of the story is the one that is always glossed over- that the father offered his own daughters over to the mob to be gang raped- to save a stranger from 'gay gang rape'.

That is kind of man homophobes worship.

 

[Syriusly]

Incorrect. The answer to why the cities were destroyed is recorded in Genesis "because the outcry to the Lord against them has become great" (Genesis 19:13)

Let's review the evidence. When two angels came to the house of Lot, Genesis records that "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, young and old, surrounded the house, saying to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight. Bring them out so we can have sex with them." When Lot offered his daughters, they refused, for they were attracted to the angels who were men, not to women.

So in summary, EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape the angels who visited Lot. No wonder the angel reported that all their neighbors decried their oppression. The city was full of roving gangs of homosexual rapists.

Now you on the Left who despise God and God's word to begin with have set up a contradiction that doesn't exist. Ezekiel 16 mentions Sodom saying "Now this was the sin of your Sister Sodom, she and her daughters were arrogant and overfed. They were not concerned for the poor and needy and did not help them." This wasn't a refutation to the main reason that the cities were destroyed, but a corollary of its initial sin. Cities who hold as it's highest value the indulgence of the flesh and the oppression of human decency are utterly bereft of charity. Selfish people don't take care of the poor and homosexuals are indeed selfish.

But the Bible is clear on why the cities were destroyed, Jude 7 confirming, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

There's no doubt what the Bible says about the destruction of those cities and the reason for it. It only becomes unclear to those who hate God, despise his righteousness, and will twist his words to pervert their meaning. That's you.

This is what the bible says:

Jeremiah 23 14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.

Hmmmm...."adultery" they say? Adultery? Not homosexuality.

Hey Slimey - you know nothing of theology or etymology - The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah was about faggots and other assorted perverts - people we today call LGBT .

Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver.

Genesis 19:5
New International Version
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New Living Translation
They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"

English Standard Version
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

I've already given them this info. What's remarkable is that EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape those angels, yet the homosexual Left insists that homosexuality was not the main issue. People who hate God and God's word will not endure the rightly divided word of truth.

Where does it say that?

For the Umpteenth Time ...

Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5

Got it ? Good - stop trying to pretend it doesn't exist - it destroys your argument slime ball

Jeremiah 23
But now I see that the prophets of Jerusalem are even worse!

They commit adultery and love dishonesty.

They encourage those who are doing evil

so that no one turns away from their sins.

These prophets are as wicked

as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah once were.”

Hmmm that sounds like Greenbean.....


Ezekial
Your younger sister was Sodom, who lived with her daughters in the south.
47 But you have not merely sinned as they did. You quickly surpassed them in corruption.
48 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, Sodom and her daughters were never as wicked as you and your daughters.
49 Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.
50 She was proud and committed detestable sins, so I wiped her out, as you have seen.c

Hmmm that sounds like Greenbean too.

But Greenbean tells us there is no debating his conclusions. Because he is clearly an expert on all things Biblical and ancient......like Atomic war in Ancient India.....lol....

 

[Syriusly]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

more horseshit. Biology is not based on the Bible or some form of puritanism. Human sexuality is biological, there are males and females for a reason. Homosexuality is an aberation of the human condition, it is a mental illness, it is not normal.

you cannot declare it normal by court order or executive dictate.

gay marriage is an oxymoron.

I can declare it normal because I am not a hater. Homosexuality is as 'normal' as being left handed is. You don't have to accept that humans can be attracted to other humans of the same gender- you can continue to hate them as you will.

But the mentally ill are those who want to discriminate against other human beings simply because of the gender that they are attracted to.

 

[Syriusly]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

ok, lets see some proof of your 75% claim. Or you can just admit that you made it up.

Lets see some proof of your claim that homosexuality is a mental illness.

 

[GreenBean]

This is what the bible says:

Jeremiah 23 14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers so that not one of them turns from their wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.

Hmmmm...."adultery" they say? Adultery? Not homosexuality.

Hey Slimey - you know nothing of theology or etymology - The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah was about faggots and other assorted perverts - people we today call LGBT .

Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver.

Genesis 19:5
New International Version
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

New Living Translation
They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"

English Standard Version
And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

I've already given them this info. What's remarkable is that EVERY MAN in the city wanted to rape those angels, yet the homosexual Left insists that homosexuality was not the main issue. People who hate God and God's word will not endure the rightly divided word of truth.

Where does it say that?

For the Umpteenth Time ...

Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5
Genesis 19-5

Got it ? Good - stop trying to pretend it doesn't exist - it destroys your argument slime ball

Jeremiah 23
But now I see that the prophets of Jerusalem are even worse!

They commit adultery and love dishonesty.

They encourage those who are doing evil

so that no one turns away from their sins.

These prophets are as wicked

as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah once were.”

Hmmm that sounds like Greenbean.....


Ezekial
Your younger sister was Sodom, who lived with her daughters in the south.
47 But you have not merely sinned as they did. You quickly surpassed them in corruption.
48 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, Sodom and her daughters were never as wicked as you and your daughters.
49 Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.
50 She was proud and committed detestable sins, so I wiped her out, as you have seen.c

Hmmm that sounds like Greenbean too.

But Greenbean tells us there is no debating his conclusions. Because he is clearly an expert on all things Biblical and ancient......like Atomic war in Ancient India.....lol....

Poor attempt at deflecting - Ancient warfare in India is a theory - you do understand the diff. between fact and theory do you not ?

So far as Homosexuality and Sodom & Gomorrah - No its not debatable - not so long as your using the source and not trying to slant facts to suit your Agenda

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[JakeStarkey]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

more horseshit. Biology is not based on the Bible or some form of puritanism. Human sexuality is biological, there are males and females for a reason. Homosexuality is an aberation of the human condition, it is a mental illness, it is not normal. you cannot declare it normal by court order or executive dictate. gay marriage is an oxymoron.

A thoughtful Redfish is an oxymoron.

APA and AMA say that it is not a disorder mentally or biologically.

Get over the importance of yourself.

 

[JakeStarkey]

cause the fundamentalists and evangelicals and Pentecostals and those sects in alliance with them want to tell the other 75% of the country how to run their private lives. It's modern day Puritanism, nothing more.

ok, lets see some proof of your 75% claim. Or you can just admit that you made it up.

Lets see some proof of your claim that homosexuality is a mental illness.

I want the sources from reputable associations, such as AMA or APA.