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the hypocrisy of libs (guns and abortion)

Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
It was legal for Hitler to kill Jews in Germany as well that doesn't make it less evil. All you liberals have parts of your souls missing
The Hitler analogy is a tool of the foolish, the stupid, and the lazy.
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
It was legal for Hitler to kill Jews in Germany as well that doesn't make it less evil. All you liberals have parts of your souls missing
we aren't talking about Hitler ... allowing, and I say this in a way that its not condescending, a woman right to choose what she wants to make with her life, having a choice to have a child or not, is in noway the same as mas-murdering millioms of people ... the difference here is Hitler didn't give any Jew a choice ... your comparison is nothing more then a pathetic attempt to grand stand
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
It was legal for Hitler to kill Jews in Germany as well that doesn't make it less evil. All you liberals have parts of your souls missing
we aren't talking about Hitler ... allowing, and I say this in a way that its not condescending, a woman right to choose what she wants to make with her life, having a choice to have a child or not, is in noway the same as mas-murdering millioms of people ... the difference here is Hitler didn't give any Jew a choice ... your comparison is nothing more then a pathetic attempt to grand stand

That is the point, the unborn baby does not have a voice and they don't have a choice, just like the Jews.
This is exactly why they are using the Hitler analysis.
The people who believe that it is murder are giving them that voice, which is I want to live.
Why do they say that? Because you can see the baby moving away from the instrument that is trying to rip them apart and kill them.
When anything pokes the mothers amniotic sack the baby moves away from it.
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
It was legal for Hitler to kill Jews in Germany as well that doesn't make it less evil. All you liberals have parts of your souls missing
The Hitler analogy is a tool of the foolish, the stupid, and the lazy.
Aww look at the ignorant progressive trying to dismiss the truth. It is accurate so deal with it.
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
It was legal for Hitler to kill Jews in Germany as well that doesn't make it less evil. All you liberals have parts of your souls missing
we aren't talking about Hitler ... allowing, and I say this in a way that its not condescending, a woman right to choose what she wants to make with her life, having a choice to have a child or not, is in noway the same as mas-murdering millioms of people ... the difference here is Hitler didn't give any Jew a choice ... your comparison is nothing more then a pathetic attempt to grand stand
The baby had a choice??? You progressive are truly sick.
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?

No, actually, I don't.

fact is, you can ban gun onwership, every other industrialized nation has done it, and they have a fraction of our crime and murder rates. Just because a bunch of Slave Rapists couldn't word a Militia Amendment properly doesn't mean that we have to share our streets with gun-weilding crazy people.

ON the other hand, the reason why abortion laws were thrown out was because they were unenforceable. YOu anti-choice types pretend that there were no abortions before 1973, when in fact, abortion was common, doctors just performed them and wrote down something else on the chart, and no one was actually enforcing the laws.
I said at one point liberals hated our founding fathers, y'all said prove it. Thanks for proving my point.
So you still feel the need to pigeon hole to defend your position, how pathetic...
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?

No, actually, I don't.

fact is, you can ban gun onwership, every other industrialized nation has done it, and they have a fraction of our crime and murder rates. Just because a bunch of Slave Rapists couldn't word a Militia Amendment properly doesn't mean that we have to share our streets with gun-weilding crazy people.

ON the other hand, the reason why abortion laws were thrown out was because they were unenforceable. YOu anti-choice types pretend that there were no abortions before 1973, when in fact, abortion was common, doctors just performed them and wrote down something else on the chart, and no one was actually enforcing the laws.
I said at one point liberals hated our founding fathers, y'all said prove it. Thanks for proving my point.
So you still feel the need to pigeon hole to defend your position, how pathetic...
I prove my point and you call me pathetic?
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?

No, actually, I don't.

fact is, you can ban gun onwership, every other industrialized nation has done it, and they have a fraction of our crime and murder rates. Just because a bunch of Slave Rapists couldn't word a Militia Amendment properly doesn't mean that we have to share our streets with gun-weilding crazy people.

ON the other hand, the reason why abortion laws were thrown out was because they were unenforceable. YOu anti-choice types pretend that there were no abortions before 1973, when in fact, abortion was common, doctors just performed them and wrote down something else on the chart, and no one was actually enforcing the laws.
I said at one point liberals hated our founding fathers, y'all said prove it. Thanks for proving my point.
So you still feel the need to pigeon hole to defend your position, how pathetic...
I prove my point and you call me pathetic?
yep, cause your trying to put all into one....
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?

No, actually, I don't.

fact is, you can ban gun onwership, every other industrialized nation has done it, and they have a fraction of our crime and murder rates. Just because a bunch of Slave Rapists couldn't word a Militia Amendment properly doesn't mean that we have to share our streets with gun-weilding crazy people.

ON the other hand, the reason why abortion laws were thrown out was because they were unenforceable. YOu anti-choice types pretend that there were no abortions before 1973, when in fact, abortion was common, doctors just performed them and wrote down something else on the chart, and no one was actually enforcing the laws.
I said at one point liberals hated our founding fathers, y'all said prove it. Thanks for proving my point.
So you still feel the need to pigeon hole to defend your position, how pathetic...
I prove my point and you call me pathetic?
yep, cause your trying to put all into one....
In one post to me Joe said he never said he hated our fore fathers. I called him on it.
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?

No, actually, I don't.

fact is, you can ban gun onwership, every other industrialized nation has done it, and they have a fraction of our crime and murder rates. Just because a bunch of Slave Rapists couldn't word a Militia Amendment properly doesn't mean that we have to share our streets with gun-weilding crazy people.

ON the other hand, the reason why abortion laws were thrown out was because they were unenforceable. YOu anti-choice types pretend that there were no abortions before 1973, when in fact, abortion was common, doctors just performed them and wrote down something else on the chart, and no one was actually enforcing the laws.

You are absolutely so wrong on both issues.
The Founders knew exactly what they wrote on the 2nd amendment.
The 2nd amendment says precisely what it means.
It is the libs who have twisted the meaning of the words
But we can write laws to get guns out of the hands of crazy people. It's the Dem's who have fought against those policies.

Doctors did not perform abortions and write them as something else.
We had illegal back room abortions where women were dying and Doctors were being arrested for that. Yes they were enforced.
No one wants to go back to that.
 
while I agree it is your constitutional right to call it as you see it, it is not your constitutional right to force others to abide by your ideas.

So you think it is wrong for a woman to be fully informed about what she is aborting before she has an abortion?
That is my position.
Were you able to locate the statutes (red tape) that prevent prospective adoptive parents from adopting those children ready to adopt in your own state?

Let me refresh your memory:
the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 13 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

At the bottom is a link. Locate the red tape.
Thanks.

If you did not read the link I put up that is your problem and I never said the red tape prevents prospective adoptions. I said it makes it more difficult compared to other countries.
It has the laws for adoptions of each State and on the left side it has a place to click for the regulations and if you think that I am going to get all 50 states regulations and put them up as a link you are crazy.
I refuse to argue semantics with you it's pointless.

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The link I provided for you was Arizona specific. Try again.

What is obvious is that you are a liar and you are comfortable with that. For you it's worth it. Given the opportunity to be truthful you opt out every time.

You are the one not acknowledging my link to all of the States adoptions laws.
You put the link to Arizona which is in the link I had already provided with all of the States.
I also put up a link as to which regulations were overburdens told by a woman trying to adopt here in America and you refuse to acknowledge them.
Then you accused me of saying that the red tape prevents adoptions which I never said and you are calling me a liar?
You got some nerve buddy.

I used your link. I then went to Arizona statutes to make sure that it was updated. You then attempted to utilize anecdotal evidence. You are a liar. I am not your buddy. We are done.
 
So you think it is wrong for a woman to be fully informed about what she is aborting before she has an abortion?
That is my position.
Were you able to locate the statutes (red tape) that prevent prospective adoptive parents from adopting those children ready to adopt in your own state?

Let me refresh your memory:
the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 13 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

At the bottom is a link. Locate the red tape.
Thanks.

If you did not read the link I put up that is your problem and I never said the red tape prevents prospective adoptions. I said it makes it more difficult compared to other countries.
It has the laws for adoptions of each State and on the left side it has a place to click for the regulations and if you think that I am going to get all 50 states regulations and put them up as a link you are crazy.
I refuse to argue semantics with you it's pointless.

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The link I provided for you was Arizona specific. Try again.

What is obvious is that you are a liar and you are comfortable with that. For you it's worth it. Given the opportunity to be truthful you opt out every time.

You are the one not acknowledging my link to all of the States adoptions laws.
You put the link to Arizona which is in the link I had already provided with all of the States.
I also put up a link as to which regulations were overburdens told by a woman trying to adopt here in America and you refuse to acknowledge them.
Then you accused me of saying that the red tape prevents adoptions which I never said and you are calling me a liar?
You got some nerve buddy.

I used your link. I then went to Arizona statutes to make sure that it was updated. You then attempted to utilize anecdotal evidence. You are a liar. I am not your buddy. We are done.

I did not attempt, I did and you did not like what she said.
That is fine with me.
I did not call you my buddy by the way, that was a polite insult rather than saying asshole.
 
I put them up.
You won't change your mind so the discussion will not matter.

You lied. You didn't put anything up and you have no intention of addressing them because you don't know how. You don't have a clue as to what "regulations" exist. You are nothing but deceitful.

Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono::puke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

Could you be any more retarded?

RU-486 causes a fertilized egg with complete sets of chromosomes making a unique human being to be killed. That's called abortion.

And comparing foreign policy to abortion makes you the moron of the year. Both parties show an equal proclivity to war and the use of advanced weaponry. It has NOTHING to do with the abortion debate.
 
I put them up.
You won't change your mind so the discussion will not matter.

You lied. You didn't put anything up and you have no intention of addressing them because you don't know how. You don't have a clue as to what "regulations" exist. You are nothing but deceitful.

Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono::puke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

I was not talking about ru486.
I don't have any problems with that pill.
I was talking about a actual abortions.
Republicans are against crazy people getting guns.
 
You lied. You didn't put anything up and you have no intention of addressing them because you don't know how. You don't have a clue as to what "regulations" exist. You are nothing but deceitful.

Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono:[emoji14]uke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

I was not talking about ru486.
I don't have any problems with that pill.
I was talking about a actual abortions.
Republicans are against crazy people getting guns.
You will never get them to admit to being dishonest about this debate .
 
Libs want law abiding citizens to give up their guns, which are protected by the Constitution and B.O.R. Gun owners, 99% of whom are law abiding want to protect their families, their homes and their BODIES from attack/criminals/scumbags etc. Libs want to force gun owners to lose their gun rights.

Libs want women to have control over their bodies and make their own decisions. They say that no one has the right to tell them what to do. Libs say no one should force a woman to not abort.

Can you see the issue here?
Abortions are legal. People need to mind their own business and not the business of others.
tell that to the people who scream its murder

It's also our Constitutional right to call it murder of innocent life.
while I agree it is your constitutional right to call it as you see it, it is not your constitutional right to force others to abide by your ideas.

So you think it is wrong for a woman to be fully informed about what she is aborting before she has an abortion?
That is my position.
I didn't realize women are so stupid that they aren't aware of whats happening when the have and abortion ... My bad !!! I always thought women were a lot smarter these days ... I guess that's why there are less unwanted pregnancy, along with yes less abortions ... because women are to stupid to realize what they are doing when the get and abortion
 
You lied. You didn't put anything up and you have no intention of addressing them because you don't know how. You don't have a clue as to what "regulations" exist. You are nothing but deceitful.

Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono::puke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

I was not talking about ru486.
I don't have any problems with that pill.
I was talking about a actual abortions.
Republicans are against crazy people getting guns.
so when harry reid brought a bill to the floor in the senate to ban crazies the republicans filibustered it... and now you're saying they didn't do that??? don't ya just love the informed ones
 
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Were you able to locate the statutes (red tape) that prevent prospective adoptive parents from adopting those children ready to adopt in your own state?

Let me refresh your memory:
the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 13 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

At the bottom is a link. Locate the red tape.
Thanks.

If you did not read the link I put up that is your problem and I never said the red tape prevents prospective adoptions. I said it makes it more difficult compared to other countries.
It has the laws for adoptions of each State and on the left side it has a place to click for the regulations and if you think that I am going to get all 50 states regulations and put them up as a link you are crazy.
I refuse to argue semantics with you it's pointless.

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

the hypocrisy of libs guns and abortion Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The link I provided for you was Arizona specific. Try again.

What is obvious is that you are a liar and you are comfortable with that. For you it's worth it. Given the opportunity to be truthful you opt out every time.

You are the one not acknowledging my link to all of the States adoptions laws.
You put the link to Arizona which is in the link I had already provided with all of the States.
I also put up a link as to which regulations were overburdens told by a woman trying to adopt here in America and you refuse to acknowledge them.
Then you accused me of saying that the red tape prevents adoptions which I never said and you are calling me a liar?
You got some nerve buddy.

I used your link. I then went to Arizona statutes to make sure that it was updated. You then attempted to utilize anecdotal evidence. You are a liar. I am not your buddy. We are done.

I did not attempt, I did and you did not like what she said.
That is fine with me.
I did not call you my buddy by the way, that was a polite insult rather than saying asshole.

Okie dokie, you dumb fucking ****.
 
You lied. You didn't put anything up and you have no intention of addressing them because you don't know how. You don't have a clue as to what "regulations" exist. You are nothing but deceitful.

Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono::puke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

Could you be any more retarded?

RU-486 causes a fertilized egg with complete sets of chromosomes making a unique human being to be killed. That's called abortion.

And comparing foreign policy to abortion makes you the moron of the year. Both parties show an equal proclivity to war and the use of advanced weaponry. It has NOTHING to do with the abortion debate.
the argument here wasn't how ru486 worked moron ...what I was attempting to show was it was aborting cells... not a baby.... with a itty bitty head with itty bitty legs and arms being ripped out of their body as
graphic as peach was trying to show here moron I guess you could be more retarded
 
Once Again
Child Adoption Laws
All of the rules and regulations of each State.
federal law superceeds state law game over

Yes if does,So?
What has that got to do with anything that we were discussing?
its twilight zone time! Liberals hate gun right that save lives but love abortion which kills them.:slap::nono::puke3:

Yes, I never have understood that.
They think guns are violent and kill, yet they want an abortion which rips off the head, arms a legs of a little human life.
I think that it's much more violent to rip the head, legs and arms off an innocent little developing human than to get shot and killed.
Either way it's killing.
don't ya love it when they become graphic to make their point ... it shows they just lost the debate... ru486 doesn' t allow the egg to attach to the the body and is expelled from the body ... no arms and legs there . republicans feel its Ok for people who are crazy to buy and use automatic weapons to go and kill as many children as they can in the local schools ... its their right to have a gun ... thats what republicans believe other wise they would have passed a law to band guns from the mentally ill ...they said the mentally ill have gun rights too... see two can play that game

I was not talking about ru486.
I don't have any problems with that pill.
I was talking about a actual abortions.
Republicans are against crazy people getting guns.
so when harry reid brought a bill to the floor in the senate to band crazies the republicans filibustered it... and now you're saying they didn't do that??? don't ya just love the informed ones

That is because the bill did not have the mentally ill put on background checks.
The bill would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales.
That would have not prevented he shooting at school in Connecticut.
While the crazy guy in Colorado bought his through the internet he should have been put in an intuition in the first place The school psychologist should have had him put away.
 

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