The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Can He be Convicted?

[meaner gene]

I taught government for 21 years in public high schools and middle schools. You would have failed easily!

And yet you posted: Right! I support all libtard state's right to secede.

Which clearly is illegal under: Texas v. White, 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869)

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

BY RALPH NADER

Texas Congressman Joaquin Castro ... asked his colleagues: “If inciting a deadly insurrection is not enough to get a president impeached, then what is?” Ten Republicans voted for Impeachment, but 197 House Republicans disagreed....

Congressional Republicans have aided and abetted, for four years, Trump’s assertion that ... “I can do whatever I want as president.” Dangerous Donald did just that. He finally incited a massive, homicidal street crime against the very Congress that let him get away with everything, day after day ...

The GOP speakers who defended Trump in the House Impeachment debate will go down in history as unsurpassed political cowards ... Trump’s Congressional protectors, however, failed. The House of Representatives voted for Articles of Impeachment that are on their way to the Senate for a certain trial. The Senate should convict treacherous unrepentant Trump and ban him from ever seeking federal office again....

Trump’s business allies and supporters are not waiting for any verdicts. Major corporations such as Disney, Coca-Cola, and J.P. Morgan Chase have suspended campaign contributions to the GOP. Last week, the powerful National Association of Manufacturers demanded that Trump be removed from office under the 25th Amendment. Trump’s banks, to whom he owes hundreds of millions of dollars, are distancing themselves from their insatiable borrower....

McConnell ... is turning against Trump by declining to oppose Impeachment and signaling that he may unleash his Republican Senators to convict Trump, if only for their own political survival. The GOP polls are slipping and will slip more as the toxic stench of what occurred before and during the January 6th attack increases....

McConnell does not want Trump either to run or threaten to run again in 2024. The only way that yoke can be lifted is to free 17 or more Republican Senators to vote for conviction followed by a simple majority vote banning Trump from future federal office...

What are the probabilities that a conviction in the Senate will be achieved? Better than 50/50, given the survival instincts of the politicians wanting ... Trump off their backs.

The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Can He be Convicted? - CounterPunch.org

No. Impeachment cannot be triggered until he;s re-elected in 2024,

Appeal to ignorance Logical Fallacy " I said it is so therefore its true....no evidence needed" Where and when did you get your degree in constitutional law? It is complicated, but you are just dumbing it down to a moronic talking point.Do some fucking reading if you can:

A Senate impeachment trial after Trump leaves office? Some experts say yes (msn.com)

According to a second group of scholars, if the House votes to impeach while the president is in office, the Senate can proceed to a trial even after the president has left office.

"Once an impeachment begins in the House, it may continue to a Senate trial. I don't see any constitutional problem with the Senate acting fast or slowly," said Michael Gerhardt, a law professor at the University North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

And a third view is that the entire process can begin even after the president is out of office.

 

[ReinyDays]

Duel? The word is dual, you fucktard! Calling me stupid after that boneheaded comment is pretty ironic.

I have yet to end a sentence here with a period ... ever ... and yet you criticize my spelting ... okay Bubba ...

They cannot file for violating a state crime in federal court. Did you get your education by reading the back of cereal boxes? I taught government for 21 years in public high schools and middle schools. You would have failed easily!

Extradition is a Federal law ... STUPID ... all New York has to do is show the same law occurs in both States ... here's a hint, try reading the Constitution for once ...

I can see why high school diplomas are so worthless with folks like you teaching ... if you have to say you're a college graduate, then you're probably not a college graduate ...

Ellipses for gender equality ... no one should be judged by their periods ...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Duel? The word is dual, you fucktard! Calling me stupid after that boneheaded comment is pretty ironic.

I have yet to end a sentence here with a period ... ever ... and yet you criticize my spelting ... okay Bubba ...

They cannot file for violating a state crime in federal court. Did you get your education by reading the back of cereal boxes? I taught government for 21 years in public high schools and middle schools. You would have failed easily!

Extradition is a Federal law ... STUPID ... all New York has to do is show the same law occurs in both States ... here's a hint, try reading the Constitution for once ...

I can see why high school diplomas are so worthless with folks like you teaching ... if you have to say you're a college graduate, then you're probably not a college graduate ...

Ellipses for gender equality ... no one should be judged by their periods ...

Hey shit for brains, my Master's degree says you are a fucktard and could not pass the GED,

The governor of a state must authorize extradition. Not gonna happen anyway! Trump will tell NY to get fucked!

 

[ReinyDays]

Hey shit for brains, my Master's degree says you are a fucktard and could not pass the GED,

The governor of a state must authorize extradition. Not gonna happen anyway! Trump will tell NY to get fucked!

You got a Master Degree from Trump University? ... did you get your money back? ...

From "Can I Be Extradited on an Out-of-State Warrant?" -- FindLaw -- April 8th, 2016:

"You are wanted in one state but live in another and you're curious about whether you can be arrested on an out-of-state warrant. The answer is yes, technically, in most situations."

If you have to say you have a Master's Degree, you probably don't have one ...

 

[meaner gene]

Hey shit for brains, my Master's degree says you are a fucktard and could not pass the GED,

The governor of a state must authorize extradition. Not gonna happen anyway! Trump will tell NY to get fucked!

Did you teach government, after 1987? That's when the USSC overturned Kentucky v. Dennison (1861) and unanimously ruled:

Puerto Rico v. Branstad, 483 U.S. 219 (1987), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States that ruled unanimously that federal courts have the power to enforce extraditions based on the Extradition Clause of Article Four of the United States Constitution.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I wonder....maybe this is a point at which new parties can emerge?

The possibility of a deep split in the Republican Party certainly raises this question. If the Republican Party were to deeply split in two, and the Democrats became the main organized party for awhile, progressives in the Democratic Party might also feel more independent of the DNC and push harder for a break from corporate liberalism.

Whatever happens, the structure of our federal system, the centrality of our various “winner-take-all” electoral processes and the lack of any proportional representation for minority parties — all these make a three-or-more party situation untenable for long. Of course reforms like Ranked Choice Voting could help correct this situation, but that is another story.

For now, in my opinion, we can only hope that a (relatively quick) Senate trial of Trump will facilitate such a break-away of the Republican lunatic wing. A lot depends on traditional Republican power brokers like Mitch McConnell. I’m not too hopeful myself.

 

[ReinyDays]

Did you teach government, after 1987? That's when the USSC overturned Kentucky v. Dennison (1861) and unanimously ruled:

Puerto Rico v. Branstad, 483 U.S. 219 (1987), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States that ruled unanimously that federal courts have the power to enforce extraditions based on the Extradition Clause of Article Four of the United States Constitution.

I'm impressed ... this is the second time today you've plucked out a proper legal citation ... there's people with Master Degrees that don't even know what that is ...

 

[Sunsettommy]

I'd love to see a constitutional basis for his not running again?

Bubba never finish Middle School ... "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law." - Article 1, Section 3 [emphasis mine] ...

You must really hate the United States to have never read her Constitution ...

And what would the DOJ charge him with? Orange Man Bad?

If he's broken the law ... and DoJ thinks they can prove this beyond a reasonable doubt ... you must hate the United States if you think anyone is above the law ...

His speech from The Oval on Jan 6th is border line ... I think there's some doubt there that he incited the riot at the Capitol ... I've listened to his speech and though I think it was in bad taste, that's not inciting a riot ... however, the Senate can "remove him from office" willy-nilly ... and the longer the Senate debates the matter, the less damage they'll do to our freedoms and liberties ...

He was still speaking and most of his followers were still 1 1/2 miles away when the breaking in started.

The D.C. Police were warned over 24 hours earlier by the FBI of a planned riot at the Capital.

Then these articles came.

Did CNN Accidentally Prove That Trump Did NOT Call for Violence at the Capitol?

and,

Democrats Keep Claiming GOP Helped in Capitol Assault. So Where's the Evidence?

and,

Left-Wing Activist Charged in Capitol Riot FINALLY Banned by Twitter

 

[XponentialChaos]

What are the probabilities that a conviction in the Senate will be achieved? Better than 50/50, given the survival instincts of the politicians wanting ... Trump off their backs.

I'm going to go with less than 50/50 but still with a significant chance of happening. I'll say 15/85.

The key to all of this is going to be McConnell in my opinion. McConnell's wife, a member on Trump's cabinet, resigned due to Trump's behavior leading up to the terrorist attack on the 6th. If McConnell puts his full weight behind Trump's impeachment to get rid of the Trumpist wing of the party, then I think enough Republican Senators might follow.

But I don't think McConnell will be staunch in his decision either way. He's between a rock and a hard place and I think he just wants this all to go away.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What law do you of the Reich claim he has broken?

He incited a riot, But you do not have to break a law to be impeached. They only hve to show that hos actions endangered to constitution and integrety of the Reoublic

 

[Uncensored2008]

As long as articles of impeachment are delivered to the senate, their rules require they schedule and hold a trial.

McConnel said during the last attempted coup by the Nazis that he could reject their treason. Now Nazi scum Schumer is party to treason. But this is a Constitutional Crisis, the Nazis are abusing a process to try and savage an enemy of the party after he leaves office, the SCOTUS will step in. I expect the 4 scumbag leftists to side with the Reich, with the 5 Constitutionalists upholding the rule of law.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump might conceivably want to use the Senate trial like Castro used his “History Will Absolve Me” speech after he and his men on the “Grandma” really did launch an armed attempt to take power that failed. Hitler was also imprisoned after his “Beerhall Putsch.” Not making any comparisons. Just pointing out there is a propaganda angle.

Also, the Democratic leadership was aware of these issues when they impeached, but decided it was worth continuing.

Lastly, this will of course be a “political trial” and will not require any specific violation of law on the part of Trump. That, at least, is my understanding of the matter.

There will be no trial.

There is no constitutional provision for impeachment of those who are out of office - not that you Nazis give a fuck about the Constitution, but there are 5 Constitutionists on the court.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He incited a riot,

No, he sure didn't.

But you do not have to break a law to be impeached. They only hve to show that hos actions endangered to constitution and integrety of the Reoublic

Your fellow Nazi claimed that the Reich DOJ would come after the last legitimate President.

Pigshit and her vile goons don't need any sort of evidence for their demagoguery and slander, but if the Reich were to pursue actual criminal charges, the "Orange Man Bad" shit that the Nazis in Congress vomit out would be insufficient.

Look, you Nazis are doing anything and everything you can to spark a full blown shooting war. Clearly you think this is your chance to crush all civil rights and establish the brutal totalitarian dictatorship you dream of. And I will admit that your strategy on 1/6 was solid, you Nazis instigated what was little more than trespassing as your little Goebbels painted this as a full blown civil war battle. I suspect the whole thing was engineered by the CIA or NSA. This was your Reichstag fire, and you now demonize the enemies of the party demanding anyone opposing the party be rounded up.

Those on 1/6 were fools, led by you Nazi, manipulated. The KGB spent the last week trying to stir up more violence, but have failed. You wanted to slaughter thousands in the streets, but we didn't play along.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Trump might conceivably want to use the Senate trial like Castro used his “History Will Absolve Me” speech after he and his men on the “Grandma” really did launch an armed attempt to take power that failed. Hitler was also imprisoned after his “Beerhall Putsch.” Not making any comparisons. Just pointing out there is a propaganda angle.

Also, the Democratic leadership was aware of these issues when they impeached, but decided it was worth continuing.

Lastly, this will of course be a “political trial” and will not require any specific violation of law on the part of Trump. That, at least, is my understanding of the matter.

There will be no trial.

There is no constitutional provision for impeachment of those who are out of office - not that you Nazis give a fuck about the Constitution, but there are 5 Constitutionists on the court.

Another appeal to ignorance logical fallacy. The Constitution does not addres the issue and legal scholars are divided on it. But you low information tyyps have to dumb it down to a talking point because only those who have a functioning brain can deal with complex issues and grey areas

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

He incited a riot,

No, he sure didn't.

But you do not have to break a law to be impeached. They only hve to show that hos actions endangered to constitution and integrety of the Reoublic

Your fellow Nazi claimed that the Reich DOJ would come after the last legitimate President.

Pigshit and her vile goons don't need any sort of evidence for their demagoguery and slander, but if the Reich were to pursue actual criminal charges, the "Orange Man Bad" shit that the Nazis in Congress vomit out would be insufficient.

Look, you Nazis are doing anything and everything you can to spark a full blown shooting war. Clearly you think this is your chance to crush all civil rights and establish the brutal totalitarian dictatorship you dream of. And I will admit that your strategy on 1/6 was solid, you Nazis instigated what was little more than trespassing as your little Goebbels painted this as a full blown civil war battle. I suspect the whole thing was engineered by the CIA or NSA. This was your Reichstag fire, and you now demonize the enemies of the party demanding anyone opposing the party be rounded up.

Those on 1/6 were fools, led by you Nazi, manipulated. The KGB spent the last week trying to stir up more violence, but have failed. You wanted to slaughter thousands in the streets, but we didn't play along.

 

[ReinyDays]

McConnel said during the last attempted coup by the Nazis that he could reject their treason. Now Nazi scum Schumer is party to treason. But this is a Constitutional Crisis, the Nazis are abusing a process to try and savage an enemy of the party after he leaves office, the SCOTUS will step in. I expect the 4 scumbag leftists to side with the Reich, with the 5 Constitutionalists upholding the rule of law.

That plan worked out wonderfully for Republicans after the election ... SCOTUS laughed it off and refused to hear Texas' case ...

Funny you keep calling Democrats "Nazis" ... in truth, they're Communists ... in some respects polar opposites ...

Bubba didn't finish Middle School ...

 

[Uncensored2008]

McConnel said during the last attempted coup by the Nazis that he could reject their treason. Now Nazi scum Schumer is party to treason. But this is a Constitutional Crisis, the Nazis are abusing a process to try and savage an enemy of the party after he leaves office, the SCOTUS will step in. I expect the 4 scumbag leftists to side with the Reich, with the 5 Constitutionalists upholding the rule of law.

That plan worked out wonderfully for Republicans after the election ... SCOTUS laughed it off and refused to hear Texas' case ...

Funny you keep calling Democrats "Nazis" ... in truth, they're Communists ... in some respects polar opposites ...

Bubba didn't finish Middle School ...

Oh look, the retard is reciting the big lie.

You claim a system where the means of production is controlled by the state which determines what products will be produced in what quantities and what price they will be sold for under an authoritarian system that forcibly represses opposition to the party, crushes individualism in favor of group identity, suppresses religious faith, outlaws speech contrary to party goals, makes opposition to the Reich or Collectivism in general a criminal act, scapegoats a particular group or race, Kulaks, Jews, whites - as a focal point for state sponsored hatred, is somehow different than the Stalinism you've promoted for all these years.

 

[Eaglekeeper]

You are incorrect, I believe, on a few points.

First, the purpose of impeachment is for removal from office. Nothing in Madison's notes indicates otherwise. Therefore, it serves no purpose after tomorrow.

Second, SCOTUS did not laugh off the case. The majority said they did not have standing, which the dissent rejected, since the court has original jurisdiction in state disputes, and all other states may have been harmed by other states' unlawful elections.

Lastly, Democrats are far from communist. In communism, there are no classes and all property and wealth is shared by the community. In socialism, the economic policies are guided by a central authority and this always creates a ruling or elite class and a subservient class. This is exactly what the Nazi's ended up with, regardless of their stated goals. The were, after all, called the Democratic Socialist Worker's Party. It certainly seems that many on the left right now would love to round up conservatives and put them in camps.

 

[ReinyDays]

McConnel said during the last attempted coup by the Nazis that he could reject their treason. Now Nazi scum Schumer is party to treason. But this is a Constitutional Crisis, the Nazis are abusing a process to try and savage an enemy of the party after he leaves office, the SCOTUS will step in. I expect the 4 scumbag leftists to side with the Reich, with the 5 Constitutionalists upholding the rule of law.

That plan worked out wonderfully for Republicans after the election ... SCOTUS laughed it off and refused to hear Texas' case ...

Funny you keep calling Democrats "Nazis" ... in truth, they're Communists ... in some respects polar opposites ...

Bubba didn't finish Middle School ...

Oh look, the retard is reciting the big lie.

You claim a system where the means of production is controlled by the state which determines what products will be produced in what quantities and what price they will be sold for under an authoritarian system that forcibly represses opposition to the party, crushes individualism in favor of group identity, suppresses religious faith, outlaws speech contrary to party goals, makes opposition to the Reich or Collectivism in general a criminal act, scapegoats a particular group or race, Kulaks, Jews, whites - as a focal point for state sponsored hatred, is somehow different than the Stalinism you've promoted for all these years.

The Nazi Party was pro-business, as long as it was German-owned ... it's just a dirty word you're spewing because of your hatred ... and you forgot Slavs ...