The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Can He be Convicted?

[ReinyDays]

First, the purpose of impeachment is for removal from office. Nothing in Madison's notes indicates otherwise. Therefore, it serves no purpose after tomorrow.

The aim is to prevent The Donald from holding elective office again if he's "removed from office" ...

Second, SCOTUS did not laugh off the case. The majority said they did not have standing, which the dissent rejected, since the court has original jurisdiction in state disputes, and all other states may have been harmed by other states' unlawful elections.

SCOTUS refused to hear the case based on standing ... the dissent was strictly on the refusal ... the two justices explicitly stated their dissent had nothing to do with the merits of the case ... PA followed their own laws, the legislature did indeed allow anyone to vote by mail in 2017 ... and so does Texas ... any unlawful acts by election officials in PA can be addressed in State court ... and these filings all failed ... thus TX direct filing to SCOTUS ...

Lastly, Democrats are far from communist. In communism, there are no classes and all property and wealth is shared by the community. In socialism, the economic policies are guided by a central authority and this always creates a ruling or elite class and a subservient class. This is exactly what the Nazi's ended up with, regardless of their stated goals. The were, after all, called the Democratic Socialist Worker's Party. It certainly seems that many on the left right now would love to round up conservatives and put them in camps.

I did say "in some ways" ... and I agree with you not in all ways ... Fascism is pro-business, Communism is anti-business ... that's my point ... the rest of your diatribe is less about political ideology and more about single party rule ... and all that went out the window once The War started, even here in the United States many industries were turned to war production ... even bread slicing machine manufacturers had to quit and start making military gear ...

There's many on the right who want to lock up liberals ...

Only a few of The Donald's supporters rioted in the Capitol ... a vast majority stayed outside following the law and exercising their Free Speech rights ... by the same standard, only a few BLM supporters rioted in our cities ... a vast majority followed the law and exercise their Free Speech rights ... throw the rioters in prison, no matter which side ...

 

[Coyote]

I wonder....maybe this is a point at which new parties can emerge?

The possibility of a deep split in the Republican Party certainly raises this question. If the Republican Party were to deeply split in two, and the Democrats became the main organized party for awhile, progressives in the Democratic Party might also feel more independent of the DNC and push harder for a break from corporate liberalism.

Whatever happens, the structure of our federal system, the centrality of our various “winner-take-all” electoral processes and the lack of any proportional representation for minority parties — all these make a three-or-more party situation untenable for long. Of course reforms like Ranked Choice Voting could help correct this situation, but that is another story.

For now, in my opinion, we can only hope that a (relatively quick) Senate trial of Trump will facilitate such a break-away of the Republican lunatic wing. A lot depends on traditional Republican power brokers like Mitch McConnell. I’m not too hopeful myself.

I think ranked choice is a great idea, because without it small parties really don't have a chance. I do think the Dems have their own divisions that might become more apparent in this cycle. The one thing that was clear in this election was that even though they won the presidency and the two Georgia seats they did not make the sweep they had hoped to. What will happen when Trump is not on the ticket? Will the "get out the vote" first time voters remain engaged?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are incorrect, I believe, on a few points.

First, the purpose of impeachment is for removal from office. Nothing in Madison's notes indicates otherwise. Therefore, it serves no purpose after tomorrow.

Second, SCOTUS did not laugh off the case. The majority said they did not have standing, which the dissent rejected, since the court has original jurisdiction in state disputes, and all other states may have been harmed by other states' unlawful elections.

Lastly, Democrats are far from communist. In communism, there are no classes and all property and wealth is shared by the community. In socialism, the economic policies are guided by a central authority and this always creates a ruling or elite class and a subservient class. This is exactly what the Nazi's ended up with, regardless of their stated goals. The were, after all, called the Democratic Socialist Worker's Party. It certainly seems that many on the left right now would love to round up conservatives and put them in camps.

What the Nazis do is lie.

The court denied "Injunctive Relief" to Texas. The court did not "throw the case out" as the Nazis claim. The court continues to review 18 points brought by the states against the clear fraud of this election.

 

[Uncensored2008]

First, the purpose of impeachment is for removal from office. Nothing in Madison's notes indicates otherwise. Therefore, it serves no purpose after tomorrow.

The aim is to prevent The Donald from holding elective office again if he's "removed from office" ...

Second, SCOTUS did not laugh off the case. The majority said they did not have standing, which the dissent rejected, since the court has original jurisdiction in state disputes, and all other states may have been harmed by other states' unlawful elections.

SCOTUS refused to hear the case based on standing ... the dissent was strictly on the refusal ... the two justices explicitly stated their dissent had nothing to do with the merits of the case ... PA followed their own laws, the legislature did indeed allow anyone to vote by mail in 2017 ... and so does Texas ... any unlawful acts by election officials in PA can be addressed in State court ... and these filings all failed ... thus TX direct filing to SCOTUS ...

Lastly, Democrats are far from communist. In communism, there are no classes and all property and wealth is shared by the community. In socialism, the economic policies are guided by a central authority and this always creates a ruling or elite class and a subservient class. This is exactly what the Nazi's ended up with, regardless of their stated goals. The were, after all, called the Democratic Socialist Worker's Party. It certainly seems that many on the left right now would love to round up conservatives and put them in camps.

I did say "in some ways" ... and I agree with you not in all ways ... Fascism is pro-business, Communism is anti-business ... that's my point ... the rest of your diatribe is less about political ideology and more about single party rule ... and all that went out the window once The War started, even here in the United States many industries were turned to war production ... even bread slicing machine manufacturers had to quit and start making military gear ...

There's many on the right who want to lock up liberals ...

Only a few of The Donald's supporters rioted in the Capitol ... a vast majority stayed outside following the law and exercising their Free Speech rights ... by the same standard, only a few BLM supporters rioted in our cities ... a vast majority followed the law and exercise their Free Speech rights ... throw the rioters in prison, no matter which side ...

The goal is to ensure no one ever challenges the Oligarchy, the ruling elite, ever again.

The idea that someone can promote the will of the people will be crushed by our rulers.

 

[Uncensored2008]

First, the purpose of impeachment is for removal from office. Nothing in Madison's notes indicates otherwise. Therefore, it serves no purpose after tomorrow.

The aim is to prevent The Donald from holding elective office again if he's "removed from office" ...

Second, SCOTUS did not laugh off the case. The majority said they did not have standing, which the dissent rejected, since the court has original jurisdiction in state disputes, and all other states may have been harmed by other states' unlawful elections.

SCOTUS refused to hear the case based on standing ... the dissent was strictly on the refusal ... the two justices explicitly stated their dissent had nothing to do with the merits of the case ... PA followed their own laws, the legislature did indeed allow anyone to vote by mail in 2017 ... and so does Texas ... any unlawful acts by election officials in PA can be addressed in State court ... and these filings all failed ... thus TX direct filing to SCOTUS ...

Lastly, Democrats are far from communist. In communism, there are no classes and all property and wealth is shared by the community. In socialism, the economic policies are guided by a central authority and this always creates a ruling or elite class and a subservient class. This is exactly what the Nazi's ended up with, regardless of their stated goals. The were, after all, called the Democratic Socialist Worker's Party. It certainly seems that many on the left right now would love to round up conservatives and put them in camps.

I did say "in some ways" ... and I agree with you not in all ways ... Fascism is pro-business, Communism is anti-business ... that's my point ... the rest of your diatribe is less about political ideology and more about single party rule ... and all that went out the window once The War started, even here in the United States many industries were turned to war production ... even bread slicing machine manufacturers had to quit and start making military gear ...

There's many on the right who want to lock up liberals ...

Only a few of The Donald's supporters rioted in the Capitol ... a vast majority stayed outside following the law and exercising their Free Speech rights ... by the same standard, only a few BLM supporters rioted in our cities ... a vast majority followed the law and exercise their Free Speech rights ... throw the rioters in prison, no matter which side ...

The goal is to ensure no one ever challenges the Oligarchy, the ruling elite, ever again.

The idea that someone can promote the will of the people will be crushed by our rulers.

 

[toobfreak]

What are the probabilities that a conviction in the Senate will be achieved? Better than 50/50, given the survival instincts of the politicians wanting ... Trump off their backs.

PURE RUBBISH. Just how is Trump going to be "on their back" when he leaves office to go back to civilian life in Florida 8AM tomorrow morning? He can't even tweet them anymore.

 

[Polishprince]

What are the probabilities that a conviction in the Senate will be achieved? Better than 50/50, given the survival instincts of the politicians wanting ... Trump off their backs.

The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Can He be Convicted? - CounterPunch.org

I would estimate the chances of a conviction as being between Slim and none.

And Slim left town.

As far as a post-presidency impeachment trial- won't happen. The punishment is being thrown out of office, and no Supreme Court chief justice is going preside over a moot case and no Senate is going to tie up business for a month to do this.

 

[toobfreak]

All the Senate needs to do is vote to remove DJTs United States Secret Service detail.

And where do you think that would leave this country if after that, Trump were murdered? Do you think anyone might wonder if some plot were afoot? Just how far do you intend to slap the Constitution in the face after taking away Trump's freedom to speak, freedom to assemble, freedom to vote, freedom from search and seizure, right to face his accusers, right to self-defense, freedom from defamation and libel, right to an impartial jury, freedom from cruel punishment, and now you want to strip him of every privilege every president is entitled to after leaving office at the risk of his own life?

And for what-- -- because some few people at one of his rallies got carried away protesting an election deemed unresolved and highly questionable by perhaps half the nation that the democrats shoved down our throats and refused to allow to be investigated, then seized Washington with two battalions of troops plus additional private security forces to bar America from its own capitol?

Can you be any more un-American, dangerous, inflammatory and communistic?

 

[XponentialChaos]

"The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the President and other powerful people." - Mitch McConnell

This could get interesting.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

As long as articles of impeachment are delivered to the senate, their rules require they schedule and hold a trial.

McConnel said during the last attempted coup by the Nazis that he could reject their treason. Now Nazi scum Schumer is party to treason. But this is a Constitutional Crisis, the Nazis are abusing a process to try and savage an enemy of the party after he leaves office, the SCOTUS will step in. I expect the 4 scumbag leftists to side with the Reich, with the 5 Constitutionalists upholding the rule of law.

Breaking News:

Mitch McConnell Says Capitol Rioters Were 'Provoked' By Trump | HuffPost


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a figure as complicit as any in President Donald Trump’s rise and rule, sharply rebuked the president on Tuesday, saying he provoked the insurrectionist mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol.
“The mob was fed lies,” he said on the Senate floor. “They were provoked by the president and other powerful people, and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like.”

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

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[San Souci]

All the Senate needs to do is vote to remove DJTs United States Secret Service detail.

Now THAT sounds like incitement.

 

[ReinyDays]

The goal is to ensure no one ever challenges the Oligarchy, the ruling elite, ever again.
The idea that someone can promote the will of the people will be crushed by our rulers.

There's more police officers out there to be murdered ... if that's what you want to do ... fire extinguisher to the head ...

 

[Uncensored2008]

There's more police officers out there to be murdered ... if that's what you want to do ... fire extinguisher to the head ...

What makes you think I belong to BLM?

The officer who died during the Capitol Riot had a heart attack.

The 17 murdered by democrat Brown Shirts over the last year have been flat out murdered - usually with you democrat ambushing them.

Do you have your green laser to permanently blind the police? We know how you Nazis love doing that.

Federal officers in Portland suffered 113 eye injuries from lasers: DHS (nypost.com)

 

[Staidhup]

Pretty hard to impeach a FORMER president, maybe a look see into the document the dimbo’s hate just as much would help. On the other hand the “rule of law”, that often quoted phrase dimbo’s site, requires a preponderance of evidence that he incited the wild act of sedition. Then of course you have the evidence of elected representatives inciting riots. Oh my it will be fun to see how this plays out. Then of course we have the issue of the Durham report based on evidence that may expose Obama‘s and yes Joe’s direct involvement in obstructing and withholding evidence from the FISA Court, and FBI’s antics. This is beginning to shape up as 4 years of impeachment hearings to entertain the masses.

 

[themirrorthief]

BY RALPH NADER

Texas Congressman Joaquin Castro ... asked his colleagues: “If inciting a deadly insurrection is not enough to get a president impeached, then what is?” Ten Republicans voted for Impeachment, but 197 House Republicans disagreed....

Congressional Republicans have aided and abetted, for four years, Trump’s assertion that ... “I can do whatever I want as president.” Dangerous Donald did just that. He finally incited a massive, homicidal street crime against the very Congress that let him get away with everything, day after day ...

The GOP speakers who defended Trump in the House Impeachment debate will go down in history as unsurpassed political cowards ... Trump’s Congressional protectors, however, failed. The House of Representatives voted for Articles of Impeachment that are on their way to the Senate for a certain trial. The Senate should convict treacherous unrepentant Trump and ban him from ever seeking federal office again....

Trump’s business allies and supporters are not waiting for any verdicts. Major corporations such as Disney, Coca-Cola, and J.P. Morgan Chase have suspended campaign contributions to the GOP. Last week, the powerful National Association of Manufacturers demanded that Trump be removed from office under the 25th Amendment. Trump’s banks, to whom he owes hundreds of millions of dollars, are distancing themselves from their insatiable borrower....

McConnell ... is turning against Trump by declining to oppose Impeachment and signaling that he may unleash his Republican Senators to convict Trump, if only for their own political survival. The GOP polls are slipping and will slip more as the toxic stench of what occurred before and during the January 6th attack increases....

McConnell does not want Trump either to run or threaten to run again in 2024. The only way that yoke can be lifted is to free 17 or more Republican Senators to vote for conviction followed by a simple majority vote banning Trump from future federal office...

What are the probabilities that a conviction in the Senate will be achieved? Better than 50/50, given the survival instincts of the politicians wanting ... Trump off their backs.

The Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump: Can He be Convicted? - CounterPunch.org

being a republican is enough for democrats to attack with bogus bs

 

[themirrorthief]

Slim to none, and slim just left the building.

I would not be too sure of that. Republicans are abandoning him like rats from a sinking ship. They know the damage that he has done to the Reoublican brand and they know that the country can't go through another 4 years of him. Hell the world cant either. I am willing to bet that there are enough Republicans who are willing to risk the rath of his base for the good of the country. And there are senators with presidential ambitions who do not want him gunking up their primary field

They know the damage that he has done to the Reoublican brand

They also know the damage the Party would take were he to be convicted.

At best, they will get 57 votes, (a guess), of the 67 needed to convict

Actually the party may well be damaged beyond repair already given the deep division that he has created. I predict that the party will split into two, possibly s soon as the midterms. You will have the "Regular Repulicans " Mwho still have some semblance of sanity, and the Trump-publicans, or the QAnon Shamin Republicans or maybe the Patriot Party which would be a real joke

speaking of jokes, did you hear the democrats elected that poor old senile racist Joe biden as president

 

[themirrorthief]

All you gotta do is show where he actually incited anybody.

Capitol Insurrectionists Said They Were Following Trump’s Orders | HuffPost

Numerous insurrectionists have stated that they came to Washington, marched on the Capitol and stormed it on Trump’s orders. These statements can be read or heard in statements of facts and affidavits from the Department of Justice, on-the-ground news reports and interviews conducted after the insurrection, and from the livestreamed footage that the rioters took themselves.
“Our president wants us here,” a man live-streaming from inside the Capitol building said, according to a New York Times report. “We wait and take orders from our president.”

[Y]ou’ll never take back your country with weakness,” Trump added. “You have to show strength and be strong.”

And Trump organized the rally and invited these people:

Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s lawyer and the former mayor of New York City, called for a “trial by combat” to keep Trump in power.
At a far-right rally the night before, Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who was pardoned by the president on Dec. 8, told rally-goers to “bleed” for freedom.

Trump rules

 

[AFrench2]

Republicans won't convict him.

 

[Leo123]

Apparently now, Democrats will try to establish a precedent for impeaching a President out of office. If that happens, maybe we should impeach George Washington for owning slaves. Hey!! We should Impeach JFK for having all those affairs and having Marilyn Monroe killed!!! According to Democrats you can accuse anybody of anything and convict them on those unproven accusations.

 

[Leo123]

Republicans won't convict him.

It's not a legal impeachment anyway soo......