The Iran Nuclear Deal Is ***The Law of the Land***

[Uncensored2008]

The Iran Nuclear Deal Isn’t Just a Good Idea — It’s the Law

by THOMAS KNAPP

On May 8, President Donald Trump announced US withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, colloquially known as “the Iran nuclear deal.”

While that decision has come under criticism for being both a really bad idea and a severe betrayal of trust, both of which are true, it’s worth noting that the US withdrawal is also a breach of treaty obligations, and that such obligations are, per the US Constitution and co-equal with it, “the Supreme Law of the Land.”

Under Article 25 of the UN Charter, “members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.”

On July 20, 2015, the members of that body, including the United States, unanimously endorsed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action in UN Security Council Resolution 2231.

It seems unlikely that Samantha Power, US ambassador to the UN at the time, didn’t know what she was committing the US government to when she voted for the resolution rather than exercising the US’s veto power on the Security Council. After all, the resolution itself contains text “nderscoring that Member States are obligated under Article 25 of the Charter of the United Nations to accept and carry out the Security Council’s decisions.”


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Fuck the United Nations.

 

[cnm]

The thing is, you're [Contumacious] citing UN and UNSC resolutions

Let's take this one step at a time. The US is signatory to the UN Charter.

Therefore the UN Charter is supreme law in the US (Article 6, Clause 2, US Constitution).

Article 25 of the UN Charter requires members to obey UNSC decisions.

Therefore the US Constitution requires the US to obey UNSC decisions.

 

[MaryL]

Iranians will come to their senses. They aren't completely fooled by the new bosses, just because they are kidnapping people or causes or whatever. Iranians ultimately are NOT swayed by idiots swathed in holy causes or old feuds. Persia has been around a lot longer than the US of A.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course complaining of non compliance could be a bit difficult.

U.S. slaps new sanctions on Iran, after certifying its compliance with nuclear deal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
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Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles. Long range missiles are enormously expensive to make and are of little value unless you have nuclear warhead to put on them, so Iran's push to develop them is a clear indication it intends to produce nuclear weapons.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nothing has to be done for the US to reimpose its own sanctions.

Except for it to abrogate the agreement.

No, since JCPOA provides that any member can leave at any time, leaving is not abrogating the agreement.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We're out of Barry's Iran agreement, thank you very much president Trump. Add another to the growing list of accomplishments by the amateur, inexperienced political neophyte.

We're waiting on the better deal, by the way. Oh, and where's the Obamacare replacement? Still waiting for that too.

The Orange Faced Fatso is a joke. His supporters are too. What a bunch of rubes.

No wall that Mexico is paying for.
No Replacecare.
No Better Iran Deal.
No Better Nafta.

So far, I ain't seen shit from this toon.

If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you might.


Let's start with your first blatant lie:

Trump border wall prototype building begins in San Diego | Daily Mail Online

Now the hate sites have you conditioned to responed "but mexico isn't paying for it." Except that the reduction in drug crime and illegals MORE than pay for it, so your Soros whine is just stupid.

Next lie:

Obamacare. It is true that the left, with the help of scum like John McCain and Jeff Flake defeated the repeal of Fascistcare.

While I'm not happy this abortion of American health care still stains our nation, blaming it on Trump is beyond stupid.

Of course, you're a Communist so stupid fits...

Next lie, in case you missed it comrade, Obama's fuckup (or treason) of an Iran deal is dead.

NAFTA...

{
This week, the sixth round of renegotiation talks for the North American Free Trade Agreement is scheduled to take place in Montreal, Canada. In the lead-up, both trade observers and markets careened from despair to relief as they assessed and reassessed NAFTA’s prospects.

Two weeks ago, Mexico’s currency weakened and some U.S. trade-related stocks fell on a report that Canada was increasingly convinced President Donald Trump would pull the United States out of NAFTA. On closer examination, it was not clear there was anything particularly novel in the report and the Canadian government denied holding such pessimistic views, but the episode demonstrated the deep-seated concern among investors watching closely.}

Trump's NAFTA Withdrawal Threat Is Real

Good allah boi, you're both stupid and dishonest - yep, you're a democrat.

 

[Tehon]

If you say so.

No, as far as JCPOA says.

What is the USG waiting for? Seems to me they should have already started the process. There are several steps that the complaint must go through before a "significant non performance" complaint can be voted on as a draft resolution in the security council .

The compliant is never voted on by the SC. The only vote is for a resolution that would prevent the UN sanctions from being reimposed, and that has to be done within 30 of the US sending its complaint to the SC, but of course the US would veto the resolution so the UN sanctions would be reimposed. Nothing has to be done for the US to reimpose its own sanctions.

Have they filed a complaint?

I don't know, but I don't think the priority is to get the UN sanctions reimposed right away, but to pressure the E3 and the Iranians to the negotiating table. Pressing for the UN sanctions at this time would just be a distraction.

Lol, Trump isn't in a position to pressure anyone back to the table.

 

[sakinago]

The thing is, you're [Contumacious] citing UN and UNSC resolutions

Let's take this one step at a time. The US is signatory to the UN Charter.

Therefore the UN Charter is supreme law in the US (Article 6, Clause 2, US Constitution).

Article 25 of the UN Charter requires members to obey UNSC decisions.

Therefore the US Constitution requires the US to obey UNSC decisions.

UN charter also states that nations maintain their sovereignty. So we agreed to join the UN, and the UN agrees we (and all the other members) maintain their sovereignty still. The UNSC does not trump the US const.

Even if we were bound (which we are not) by this treaty, Iran still negged on the deal. What is your fucking point?

 

[toomuchtime_]

No, as far as JCPOA says.

What is the USG waiting for? Seems to me they should have already started the process. There are several steps that the complaint must go through before a "significant non performance" complaint can be voted on as a draft resolution in the security council .

The compliant is never voted on by the SC. The only vote is for a resolution that would prevent the UN sanctions from being reimposed, and that has to be done within 30 of the US sending its complaint to the SC, but of course the US would veto the resolution so the UN sanctions would be reimposed. Nothing has to be done for the US to reimpose its own sanctions.

Have they filed a complaint?

I don't know, but I don't think the priority is to get the UN sanctions reimposed right away, but to pressure the E3 and the Iranians to the negotiating table. Pressing for the UN sanctions at this time would just be a distraction.

Lol, Trump isn't in a position to pressure anyone back to the table.

I'll assume that's just a taunt.

 

[cnm]

Fuck the United Nations.

Oh, you're doing that, no worries. The really amusing thing is that the UN is where the Non Proliferation agreement you want to hold Iran to was adopted.

 

[Tehon]

Of course complaining of non compliance could be a bit difficult.

U.S. slaps new sanctions on Iran, after certifying its compliance with nuclear deal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
​

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles. Long range missiles are enormously expensive to make and are of little value unless you have nuclear warhead to put on them, so Iran's push to develop them is a clear indication it intends to produce nuclear weapons.

Yet, no one was willing to challenge the legality of Iran's actions with respect to the JCPOA.

 

[cnm]

UN charter also states that nations maintain their sovereignty. So we agreed to join the UN, and the UN agrees we (and all the other members) maintain their sovereignty still. The UNSC does not trump the US const.

Who says it does? The Constitution says the Charter is supreme US law.

 

[cnm]

Even if we were bound (which we are not) by this treaty, Iran still negged on the deal. What is your fucking point?

The US has said Iran is in compliance.

 

[cnm]

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles.

That is not a violation of JCPOA.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course complaining of non compliance could be a bit difficult.

U.S. slaps new sanctions on Iran, after certifying its compliance with nuclear deal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
​

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles. Long range missiles are enormously expensive to make and are of little value unless you have nuclear warhead to put on them, so Iran's push to develop them is a clear indication it intends to produce nuclear weapons.

Yet, no one was willing to challenge the legality of Iran's actions with respect to the JCPOA.

President Trump has and Macron agreed with him.

 

[cnm]

President Trump has and Macron agreed with him.

Oh. When did he present the complaint to the relevant body?

 

[Tehon]

Of course complaining of non compliance could be a bit difficult.

U.S. slaps new sanctions on Iran, after certifying its compliance with nuclear deal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
​

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles. Long range missiles are enormously expensive to make and are of little value unless you have nuclear warhead to put on them, so Iran's push to develop them is a clear indication it intends to produce nuclear weapons.

Yet, no one was willing to challenge the legality of Iran's actions with respect to the JCPOA.

President Trump has and Macron agreed with him.

Rhetoric does not constitute a legal challenge.

 

[cnm]

Of course complaining of non compliance could be a bit difficult.

U.S. slaps new sanctions on Iran, after certifying its compliance with nuclear deal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
​

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles. Long range missiles are enormously expensive to make and are of little value unless you have nuclear warhead to put on them, so Iran's push to develop them is a clear indication it intends to produce nuclear weapons.

Yet, no one was willing to challenge the legality of Iran's actions with respect to the JCPOA.

President Trump has and Macron agreed with him.

Trump's administration said Iraq is in compliance. Ffs.

 

[eagle1462010]

President Trump has and Macron agreed with him.

Oh. When did he present the complaint to the relevant body?

The UN has now been notified that we are done with the deal. They are sovereign Nations they must decide for themselves............

They are not chanting death to the UN the last I heard.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not at all. Iran has clearly been violating the spirit of JCPOA by trying to develop long range missiles.

That is not a violation of JCPOA.

Of course it is. JCPOA requires Iran to give up all efforts to acquire nukes and building missiles that are only of value if they are armed with nuclear warheads shows clearly Iran has not abandoned it efforts to acquire nukes.