The Jewish People Have No Connection to the Lands of the British Mandate

[Hollie]

You have only posted propaganda not bonafide genetic "studies". Fact:

In “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses,” published in December in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution, Elhaik says he has proved that Ashkenazi Jews’ roots lie in the Caucasus — a region at the border of Europe and Asia that lies between the Black and Caspian seas — not in the Middle East. They are descendants of the Khazars, a Turkic people who lived in one of the largest medieval states in Eurasia and then migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries.




http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.evs119.full.pdf

LOL no. I'm guessing you never heard of PNAS before, since you seem to think its some kinda propaganda site rather than what it is.

That would be the site I referenced
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a ...

Which if you had bothered to study in any detail you would have likely danced a jig when you read

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Middle Eastern Affinities.
A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2and 3) supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2). Continued studies of variation in larger samples, additional populations, and at other loci are needed to confirm our inferences as well as to clarify the affinities of Jewish and Middle Eastern Arab populations.
End Quote

And then gone on to switch and bait about if the European Jews were actually Jewish or European to that the palestinian non jewish population tested showed similar characteristics to the Israeli Jewish population

Damn do I really have to hand you this one in order to make a descent discussion of it ?

Yikes, Those damn facts! They keep getting in the way!

Khazar theory of Ashkenazi ancestry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2013, the results of the largest genetic study on Jews released by the Wayne State University found that Ashkenazi, North African, and Sephardi Jews shared substantial genetic ancestry, that they derive from Middle Eastern and European populations and found no detectable Khazar genetic origins.[85]

Case Closed. The Jews are back home in the land of their ancestors.

Bingo

The modern Israelis from around the world still maintain a significant amount of their original genetic structure and as such are a native people and are RETURNING to their place of origin. NOT colonizing it, for that and a number of other reasons.

Do you dispute what the Zionist colonists themselves declared? Were they lying?

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926

(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

An article about a Conference of Zionists published on July 20, 1899 in the New York Times depicts how the Conference sought to “colonize Palestine” and discussed the purchasing of land with English Zionists.

Zionists plan to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times - World Bulletin

The Islamist colonizers hung out the white flag of surrender officially in 1924 although the Ottoman colonial program™ had collapsed long before that.

A more modern, educated society replaced a failed one. There are many historical precedents.

 

[Roudy]

You have only posted propaganda not bonafide genetic "studies". Fact:

In “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses,” published in December in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution, Elhaik says he has proved that Ashkenazi Jews’ roots lie in the Caucasus — a region at the border of Europe and Asia that lies between the Black and Caspian seas — not in the Middle East. They are descendants of the Khazars, a Turkic people who lived in one of the largest medieval states in Eurasia and then migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries.




http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.evs119.full.pdf

LOL no. I'm guessing you never heard of PNAS before, since you seem to think its some kinda propaganda site rather than what it is.

That would be the site I referenced
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a ...

Which if you had bothered to study in any detail you would have likely danced a jig when you read

Quote
Middle Eastern Affinities.
A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2and 3) supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2). Continued studies of variation in larger samples, additional populations, and at other loci are needed to confirm our inferences as well as to clarify the affinities of Jewish and Middle Eastern Arab populations.
End Quote

And then gone on to switch and bait about if the European Jews were actually Jewish or European to that the palestinian non jewish population tested showed similar characteristics to the Israeli Jewish population

Damn do I really have to hand you this one in order to make a descent discussion of it ?

Yikes, Those damn facts! They keep getting in the way!

Khazar theory of Ashkenazi ancestry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2013, the results of the largest genetic study on Jews released by the Wayne State University found that Ashkenazi, North African, and Sephardi Jews shared substantial genetic ancestry, that they derive from Middle Eastern and European populations and found no detectable Khazar genetic origins.[85]

Case Closed. The Jews are back home in the land of their ancestors.

Bingo

The modern Israelis from around the world still maintain a significant amount of their original genetic structure and as such are a native people and are RETURNING to their place of origin. NOT colonizing it, for that and a number of other reasons.

Do you dispute what the Zionist colonists themselves declared? Were they lying?

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926

(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

An article about a Conference of Zionists published on July 20, 1899 in the New York Times depicts how the Conference sought to “colonize Palestine” and discussed the purchasing of land with English Zionists.

Zionists plan to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times - World Bulletin

Oooo. That doesn't prove your stupid Khazar theory. Israel is holy Jewish land, nothing wrong with Jews going back to the holy land their ancestors originated from. That's what Zionism is, deal with it.

Notice the West Bank was called Judea, it's name for the last 3000 years.

 

[montelatici]

The West Bank hasn't been called Judea for the last 2,000 years. The European Zionists were/are Europeans, they did not originate in Judea. It is not Jewish land and within 2-3 generations the place will revert to the control of the native people. Why do you think Israelis have or are seeking E.U. citizenship?

"... Israelis are seeking dual citizenship in European countries so they may escape domestic political turmoil as well as the looming possibilities of terrorism and war with neighboring countries.....................Over the past 15 years, as the European Union has expanded while terrorism and war have continued to plague the Jewish state, Israelis have been rushing to acquire citizenship from the countries their relatives fled before and after the Holocaust. "

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html

 

[Hollie]

The West Bank hasn't been called Judea for the last 2,000 years. The European Zionists were/are Europeans, they did not originate in Judea. It is not Jewish land and within 2-3 generations the place will revert to the control of the native people. Why do you think Israelis have or are seeking E.U. citizenship?

"... Israelis are seeking dual citizenship in European countries so they may escape domestic political turmoil as well as the looming possibilities of terrorism and war with neighboring countries.....................Over the past 15 years, as the European Union has expanded while terrorism and war have continued to plague the Jewish state, Israelis have been rushing to acquire citizenship from the countries their relatives fled before and after the Holocaust. "

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html

On the other hand:

France's Jews flock to Israel amid anti-Semitism

 

[Boston1]

I'm laughing my ass off because genetic studies have proven that the Palestinians are more closely related to the ancient Jews than the European invaders with german sounding names.

Keep finagling.

Oh so close but no cigar

You of all people, I really didn't expect you to figure this one out. But points to you for at least getting close to the truth.

However you are wildly mistaken with your bait and switch that anyone suggested that the palestinians had any genetic connection with the Europeans , so yeah, no points for you

BUT
you are getting warmer

I'm close alright, right on the nose. You can try to finagle History but you can't finagle science.

This will come as a shock and a surprise to people like you but cutting and pasting from wiki is not considered authoritative science.

Try the sections in wiki with lots of pretty colors.

Why not quietly walk away instead of making stupid statements like Wikipedia is not a science journal. Wiki is a well respected unbiased encyclopedia which quotes scientific journals for their facts.

You're getting desperate.

Wiki is a user editable data base which can prattle liberal propaganda while ignoring real science.

You have to be really careful when using Wiki, as its exactly as you say it is. Anyone with an agenda can get on there and edit whatever they like. Its good for some basics but anything of substance really needs to be reviewed through something journal like IMHO

 

[montelatici]

That's why I never reference Wiki. Hasbara has thousands of Wiki editors editing Wiki 24/7.

"The hasbara comments are noticeable as they tend to sound like boilerplate, and run contrary to or even ignore what other contributors to the site are writing. They often include spelling and syntactical hints that the writer is not natively fluent in English. As is the practice at corporate customer support call centers in Asia, the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and they never indicate that they are Israelis or working on behalf of the Israeli government. They tend to repeat over and over again sound bites of pseudo-information, most recently maintaining falsely that Hamas had started the “war” and that Israel was only defending itself. The commenters operate in the belief that if something is repeated often enough in many different places it will ipso facto gain some credibility and create doubts regarding contrary points of view."


Israel’s Information Ops

Hey Boston, is that you in the photo?

 

[Roudy]

The West Bank hasn't been called Judea for the last 2,000 years. The European Zionists were/are Europeans, they did not originate in Judea. It is not Jewish land and within 2-3 generations the place will revert to the control of the native people. Why do you think Israelis have or are seeking E.U. citizenship?

"... Israelis are seeking dual citizenship in European countries so they may escape domestic political turmoil as well as the looming possibilities of terrorism and war with neighboring countries.....................Over the past 15 years, as the European Union has expanded while terrorism and war have continued to plague the Jewish state, Israelis have been rushing to acquire citizenship from the countries their relatives fled before and after the Holocaust. "

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html

Yeah? It was called Judeah before the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948 and controlled and then renamed it West Bank! What's even more interesting is the Arabs who occupied Judeah and Gaza for 20 years didn't create this mythical Palestine, nor did any Palestinian lay claim to it. In fact they were both busy denying it.

 

[montelatici]

The West Bank hasn't been called Judea for the last 2,000 years. The European Zionists were/are Europeans, they did not originate in Judea. It is not Jewish land and within 2-3 generations the place will revert to the control of the native people. Why do you think Israelis have or are seeking E.U. citizenship?

"... Israelis are seeking dual citizenship in European countries so they may escape domestic political turmoil as well as the looming possibilities of terrorism and war with neighboring countries.....................Over the past 15 years, as the European Union has expanded while terrorism and war have continued to plague the Jewish state, Israelis have been rushing to acquire citizenship from the countries their relatives fled before and after the Holocaust. "

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html

Yeah? It was called Judeah before the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948 and controlled and then renamed it West Bank! What's even more interesting is the Arabs who occupied Judeah and Gaza for 20 years didn't create this mythical Palestine, nor did any Palestinian lay claim to it. In fact they were both busy denying it.

It hasn't been called Judeah or Canaan since the Romans created Palaestina Prima.

 

[Roudy]

Wait! Are you saying that It's name wasn't called Judeah before it was changed to West Bank?

Keep digging.

 

[montelatici]

It is known as the West Bank or Cis Jordan officially. Not Judeah. Only Israelis, to further delegitimize the Palestinians, use that name.

Dig, dig.

 

[Roudy]

It was called Judeah for 3000 years before the Arabs changed it's name to West Bank in 1948. A simple fact you that you avoid.

Epic fail again.

 

[montelatici]

It hasn't been called Judeah since the Romans adopted its Greek name Palaistinê from the original Egyptian name of Peleset) and latinized it.

 

[Shusha]

It doesn't matter what it was named. Jeez, peoples.

The Jewish people have a long history in the land. We developed a language, a history, a religious faith there. We were forced out of the land at various points in history by victors in wars and by powerful colonist invaders. We returned, we tried to re-establish our sovereignty several times. We survived in the Diaspora with our culture intact. This is all obvious.

Some of us stayed and remained Jews. Some of us became Christian and later Muslim. The entire territory was taken over through both force and peaceful means of immigration (colonization by foreigners) which changed the culture, the religion, the language, the laws, the holidays, the clothing, the life celebrations. This is also obvious.

If you believe that some eggs just can't be unscrambled, I get it. It has a 4000 year old history. Its complicated. I get it.

If you believe that once a people are kicked out of their land and their sovereignty removed by a more powerful force, I get it. (You are a hypocrite, but at least I get it).

But to say that the Jewish people never had ties to the land is simply ridiculous. Smacks of twisting reality to suit a political, or religious or cultural purpose (read: its just plain anti-semitic).

 

[Roudy]

True, meanwhile the Palestinians are an invented people.

Newly Discovered Ottoman Empire Map Of Middle East Contains No Mention Of Palestine… | Weasel Zippers

 

[montelatici]

Thanks for providing the evidence that Zionists do not believe that Palestinians exist. You are making our point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Najd was incorporated into the Ottoman Empire in 1517 with the rest of Palestine, and by 1596, the village formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

Thanks for providing the evidence that Zionists do not believe that Palestinians exist. You are making our point.

Prove what point? The Ottomans who were fellow Muslims didn't believe Palestinians existed for the last 700 years, neither did the Arabs themselves. Syrians maybe, but not this mythical Arab Palestinian. You have a hard time dealing with the truth. Spouting irrelevant propoganda and lies repetitively won't make it so either.

 

[Roudy]

Najd was incorporated into the Ottoman Empire in 1517 with the rest of Palestine, and by 1596, the village formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Najd becoming part of the Ottoman Empire doesn't mean that the Ottomans recognized a Palestine, dufus. You guys are barrel of laughs and lies.

 

[Roudy]

It doesn't matter what it was named. Jeez, peoples.

The Jewish people have a long history in the land. We developed a language, a history, a religious faith there. We were forced out of the land at various points in history by victors in wars and by powerful colonist invaders. We returned, we tried to re-establish our sovereignty several times. We survived in the Diaspora with our culture intact. This is all obvious.

Some of us stayed and remained Jews. Some of us became Christian and later Muslim. The entire territory was taken over through both force and peaceful means of immigration (colonization by foreigners) which changed the culture, the religion, the language, the laws, the holidays, the clothing, the life celebrations. This is also obvious.

If you believe that some eggs just can't be unscrambled, I get it. It has a 4000 year old history. Its complicated. I get it.

If you believe that once a people are kicked out of their land and their sovereignty removed by a more powerful force, I get it. (You are a hypocrite, but at least I get it).

But to say that the Jewish people never had ties to the land is simply ridiculous. Smacks of twisting reality to suit a political, or religious or cultural purpose (read: its just plain anti-semitic).

Actually the only people that apparently don't have rights to their ancestral homeland to these antisemites, are the Jooooos. Muslims on the other hand, once they invade a land it's theirs forever, no matter how many times they get defeated.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Najd was incorporated into the Ottoman Empire in 1517 with the rest of Palestine, and by 1596, the village formed part nahiya (subdistrict) of Gaza under the liwa' (district) of Gaza with a population of 215. It paid taxes on a number of crops, including wheat, barley and fruit, as well as on goats, beehives and vineyards.[8]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Najd becoming part of the Ottoman Empire doesn't mean that the Ottomans recognized a Palestine, dufus. You guys are barrel of laughs and lies.

No surprise that you missed the point.