The last time...

All of the stuff, that you and Abu, constantly post, comes out of the IPCC. This is a political body, pushing a global government agenda. This is funded by NGOs, and billionaire foundations, the same goons that lied to us, primarily about the, "pandemic," which, most of that, is now being seen for what it is, garbage.

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". . . No matter which set of data you use, the IPCC data shows that manmade CO2 output levels are ~3%. How do you figure this out? The 2001 data shows the total amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere (119 + 88 + 6.3 = 213.3) and the human portion as 6.3. Divide 6.3 by 213.3 and you get 2.95%.

The 2007 data shows the total amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere (29 + 439 + 332 = 800) and the human portion as 29. Divide 29 by 800 and you get 3.63%.

Manmade CO2: 3% of 3% of 0.1%

So here’s the bottom line. According to the IPCC’s own data, manmade CO2 output levels are 3% of 3% of 0.1% of the total Earth’s atmosphere. That’s 0.000009%! That’s 9 millionths.

CO2 is measured in ppm (parts per million) because it is such a tiny and insignificant gas, yet somehow, the propaganda has been so successful that is has sprouted into what some state is a US$1.5 trillion industry.. . ."


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Manmade CO2: A Massive Diversion

". . . The idea that manmade CO2 output levels is a big problem, in the scheme of all of Earth’s eco problems, is a giant hoax. It diverts environmentalists’ attention away from the true issues that need addressing. Does it make any logical sense to spend so much money, energy and attention on 0.000009% of CO2, when there are very palpable, tangible and dangerous threats to our environment?

What about geoengineering, the aerial chemtrail spraying of barium, aluminum and strontium all over us, and the flora and fauna of the Earth? What about the release of synthetic self-aware fibers that cause Morgellons’ Disease, in line with the NWO synthetic agenda? What about unstoppable environmental genetic pollution caused by the release of GMOs?

What about the contamination of waterways with industrial chemicals, pesticides like glyphosate and atrazine, poisons like dioxin and DDT, heavy metals and pharmaceutical residues? Why are people wasting their energy on 3% of 3% of 0.1% when we have real MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL issues facing us as a species?

Respected theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson said:

“The possibly harmful climatic effects of carbon dioxide have been greatly exaggerated … the benefits clearly outweigh the possible damage.”


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The global CO2 rise: the facts, Exxon and the favorite denial tricks

25 JAN 2018
Die Welt presented a common number-trick by climate deniers (readers can probably point to some english-language examples):
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In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
""The claim “95 percent from natural sources” and the “0.0016 percent” are simply wrong (neither does the arithmetic add up – how would 5% of 0.04 be 0.0016?). These (and similar – sometimes you read 97% from natural sources) numbers have been making the rounds in climate denier circles for many years (and have repeatedly been rebutted by scientists). They present a simple mix-up of turnover and profit, in economic terms. The land ecosystems have, of course, a high turnover of carbon, but (unlike humans) do not add any net CO2 to the atmosphere. Any biomass which decomposes must first have grown – the CO2 released during rotting was first taken from the atmosphere by photosynthesis. This is a cycle. Hey, perhaps that’s why it’s called the carbon cycle!

That is why one way to reduce emissions is the use of bioenergy, such as heating with wood (at least when it’s done in a sustainable manner – many mistakes can be made with bioenergy). Forests only increase the amount of CO2 in the air when they are felled, burnt or die. This is immediately understood by looking at a schematic of the carbon cycle, Fig. 3.

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Fig. 3 Scheme of the global carbon cycle. Values for the carbon stocks are given in Gt C (ie, billions of tonnes of carbon) (bold numbers). Values for average carbon fluxes are given in Gt C per year (normal numbers). Source: WBGU 2006 . (A similar graph can also be found at Wikipedia.) Since this graph was prepared, anthropogenic emissions and the atmospheric CO2 content have increased further, see Figs 4 and 5, but I like the simplicity of this graph.

If one takes as the total emissions a “natural” part (60 GtC from soils + 60 GtC from land plants) and the 7 GtC fossil emissions as anthropogenic part, the anthropogenic portion is about 5% (7 of 127 billion tons of carbon) as cited in the Welt article. This percentage is highly misleading, however, since it ignores that the land biosphere does not only release 120 GtC but also absorbs 122 GtC by photosynthesis, which means that net 2 GtC is removed from the atmosphere. Likewise, the ocean removes around 2 GtC. To make any sense, the net emissions by humans have to be compared with the net uptake by oceans and forests and atmosphere, not with the turnover rate of a cycle, which is an irrelevant comparison.
And not just Irrelevant – it becomes plain Wrong when that 5% number is then misunderstood as the human contribution to the atmospheric CO2 concentration.


The natural earth system thus is by no means a source of CO2 for the atmosphere, but it is a sink! Of the 7 GtC, which we blow into the atmosphere every year, only 3 remain there. 2 are absorbed by the ocean and 2 by the forests. This means that in the atmosphere and in the land biosphere and in the ocean the amount of stored carbon is increasing. And the source of all this additional carbon is the fact that we extract loads of fossil carbon from the earth’s crust and add it to the system. That’s already clear from the fact that we add twice as much to the atmosphere as is needed to explain the full increase there – that makes it obvious that the natural Earth system cannot possibly be adding more CO2 but rather is continually removing about half of our CO2 emissions from the atmosphere.

The system was almost exactly in equilibrium before humans intervened. That is why the CO2 concentration in the air was almost constant for several thousand years (Figure 2). This means that the land ecosystems took up 120 GtC and returned 120 GtC (the exact numbers don’t matter here, what matters is that they are the same). The increased uptake of CO2 by forests and oceans of about 2 GtC per year each is already a result of the human emissions, which has added enormous amounts of CO2 to the system. The ocean has started to take up net CO2 from the atmosphere through gas exchange at the sea surface: because the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is now higher than in the surface ocean, there is net flux of CO2 into the sea. And because trees take up CO2 by photosynthesis and can do this more easily if you offer them more CO2 in the air, they have started to photosynthesize more and thus take up a bit more CO2 than is released by decomposing old biomass. (To what extent and for how long the land biosphere will remain a carbon sink is open to debate, however: this will depend on the extent to which the global ecosystems come under stress by global warming, e.g. by increasing drought and wildfires.)

The next diagram shows (with more up-to-date and accurate numbers) the net fluxes of CO2 (this time in CO2 units, not carbon units!).

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Fig. 4 CO2 budget for 2007-2016, showing the various net sources and sinks. The figures here are expressed in gigatons of CO2 and not in gigatons of carbon as in Fig. 3. The conversion factor is 44/12 (molecular weight of CO2 divided by atomic weight of carbon). Source: Global Carbon Project.

Fig. 5 shows where the CO2 comes from (in the upper half you see the sources – fossil carbon and deforestation) and where it ends up (in the lower half you sees the sinks), in the course of time. It ends up in comparably large parts in air, oceans and forests. The share absorbed by the land ecosystems varies greatly from year to year, depending on whether there were widespread droughts, for example, or whether it was a good growth year for the forests. That is why the annual CO2 increase in the atmosphere also varies greatly each year, and this short-term variation is not mainly caused by variations in our emissions (so a record CO2 increase in the atmosphere in an El Niño year does not mean that human emissions have surged in that year).

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Fig. 5 Annual emissions of carbon from fossil sources and deforestation, and annual emissions from the biosphere, atmosphere and ocean (the latter are negative, meaning net uptake). This is again in carbon (not CO2) units; the 12 gigatons of carbon emitted in 2016 are a lot more than the 7 gigatons in the older Fig. 3. Source: Global Carbon Project.

The “climate skeptics” blaming the forests for most of the increase in atmospheric CO2, because of decaying foliage and deadwood, is not merely wrong, it is pretty bonkers. Have leaves started to decompose only since industrialization? Media with a minimum aspiration to credibility should clearly reject such nonsense, instead of spreading it further. In case of Die Welt, one of my PIK colleagues had explicitly pointed out to the author, in response to a query by him, that the 5% human share of CO2 is Misleading and that humans have caused a 45% increase. That the Complete CO2 increase is Anthropogenic has been known for decades. The first IPCC report, published in 1990, put it thus:

Since the industrial revolution the combustion of fossil fuels and deforestation have led to an increase of 26% in carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere.
In the 27 years since then, the CO2 increase caused by our emissions has gone up from 26% to 45%.


How Exxon misled the public against better knowledge


One fascinating question is where this false idea of humans just contributing a tiny bit to the relentless rise in atmospheric CO2 has come from? Have a look at this advertorial (a paid-for editorial) by ExxonMobil in the New York Times from 1997:

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Fig. 6 Excerpt from the New York Times of 6 November 1997

The text to go with it read:

While most of the CO2 emitted by far is the result of natural phenomena – namely respiration and decomposition, most attention has centered on the three to four percent related to human activities – burning of fossil fuels, deforestation.
That is pretty clever and could hardly be an accident. The impression is given that human emissions are not a big deal and only responsible for a small percentage of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere – but without explicitly saying that. In my view the authors of this piece knew that this idea is plain wrong, so they did not say it but preferred to insinuate it. A recent publication by Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes in Environmental Research Letters has systematically assessed ExxonMobil’s climate change communications during 1977–2014 and found:

We conclude that ExxonMobil contributed to advancing climate science—by way of its scientists’ academic publications—but promoted doubt about it in advertorials. Given this discrepancy, we conclude that ExxonMobil misled the public.
They explain their main findings in this short video clip.

Does the CO2 come from volcanoes?

Another age-old climatic skeptic myth, is that the CO2 is coming from volcanoes – first time I had to rebut this was as a young postdoc in the 1990s. The total volcanic emissions are between 0.04 and 0.07 gigatonnes of CO2 per year, compared to the anthropogenic emissions of 12 gigatons in 2016. Anthropogenic emissions are now well over a hundred times greater than volcanic ones. The volcanic emissions are important for the long-term CO2 changes over millions of years, but not over a few centuries.

Does the CO2 come from the ocean?

As already mentioned and shown in Figs. 4 and 5, the oceans absorb net CO2 and do not release any. The resulting increase in CO2 in the upper ocean is documented and mapped in detail by countless ship surveys and known up to a residual uncertainty of + – 20% . This is, in itself, a very serious problem because it leads to the acidification of the oceans, since CO2 forms carbonic acid in water. The observed CO2 increase in the world ocean disproves another popular #fakenews piece of the “climate skeptics”: namely that the CO2 increase in the atmosphere might have been caused by the outgassing of CO2 from the ocean as a result of the warming. No serious scientist believes this.

Remember also from Figs. 4 and 5 that we emit about twice as much CO2 as is needed to explain the complete rise in the atmosphere. In case you have not connected the dots: the denier myth of the oceans as cause of the atmospheric CO2 rise most often comes in the form of “the CO2 rise lagged behind temperature rise in glacial cycles”. It is true that during ice ages the oceans took up more CO2 and that is why there was less in the atmosphere, and during the warming at the end of glacial cycles that CO2 came back out of the ocean, and this was an important amplifying feedback. But it is a fallacy to conclude that the same natural phenomenon is happening again now. As I explained above: measurements clearly prove that the modern CO2 rise has a different cause, namely our fossil fuel use. What is the same now and over past glacial cycles is not the CO2 source, but the greenhouse effect of the atmospheric CO2 changes: without that we could not understand (or correctly simulate in our climate models) the full extent of glacial cycles."..."
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Forcing a shift away from ICE vehicles is not a violation of anyone's freedoms.
Now there's a contradiction in words. Nice word salad yet again. You a chef?

Forced and freedom aren't the same thing dummass. The fact you wrote that shows how intellectually stupid you really are.
 
Just asking because you seem to have a lot of alternative facts to present to actual science on CO2 and climate.

Why have you not taken advantage of helping actual scientists with those alternative facts?
Well no, the climate is complicated. You have the Milankovitch cycle, water vapour, co2, methane, nitrous oxide, and even earthquakes, sink holes, tsunami's can also have an effect. There's a dam in China that holds that much water back, it's altered the earth's rotation by a tiny fraction of a second. What has that done to the climate? Also, solar panels alters the climate, just posted links about that in the last week or two. There's loads of variables, volcanoes as well, all play a part on the climate, but the alarmists have the simple solution, just boils down to co2, change you car to electric, and pay more tax.

I am denying that co2 is the only responsible factor on the climate. I am also making a claim that the alarmists don't practice what they preach but feel qualified to lecture others. Politicians do the same, as they fly in 30,000 delegates to the climate summits. The righteous vegans tell us to stop eating farting cows, flying avocados in causes greater pollution.
 
Roughly 50% of the CO2 in today's atmosphere was produced by humans. Since the Industrial Revolution, humans have produced significantly more CO2 than that amount because much of it gets absorbed by the oceans. The original level in the atmosphere prior to the industrial combustion of fossil fuels was 280 ppm.

My question "What do you mean produced by nature?" would include wondering whether or not you would include CO2 coming out of solution from our warming oceans, CO2 absorbed by the planet's flora, CO2 produced by faunal respiration, CO2 released by volcanism, CO2 sequestered by molluscs and corals, CO2 released by coral and shells being dissolved by acidifying ocean water, etc, etc, etc. Is it NOT a simple question and if you actually want an answer, you need to clarify what you're asking.

Roughly 50% of the CO2 in today's atmosphere was produced by humans.

I'm glad you found your huge error.
I'd hate for you to accuse me of trolling again.
 
Oh, the Pliocene! That time when life ABOUNDED, the Earth was green and all was good. And it led to the Holocene.

Just a fricking horror of a mess now that liberals have arrived on the scene. :smoke:
Yeah!

It should be all good them. No climate costs to us or negative affects from uncontrollable warming.


Let’s pump more CO2 into the atmosphere and enjoy the benefits.
Well no, the climate is complicated. You have the Milankovitch cycle, water vapour, co2, methane, nitrous oxide, and even earthquakes, sink holes, tsunami's can also have an effect. There's a dam in China that holds that much water back, it's altered the earth's rotation by a tiny fraction of a second. What has that done to the climate? Also, solar panels alters the climate, just posted links about that in the last week or two. There's loads of variables, volcanoes as well, all play a part on the climate, but the alarmists have the simple solution, just boils down to co2, change you car to electric, and pay more tax.

I am denying that co2 is the only responsible factor on the climate. I am also making a claim that the alarmists don't practice what they preach but feel qualified to lecture others. Politicians do the same, as they fly in 30,000 delegates to the climate summits. The righteous vegans tell us to stop eating farting cows, flying avocados in causes greater pollution.
So, why has not scientific organization taken your alternative facts and reversed their consensus on AGW?

You guys all seem to have the capacity to do that with it.
 
Why haven't you provided any scientific organization with your denialism alternative facts?
Have you heard of Peter Ridd who was the leading scientist on the Great Barrier Reef (GBR)? Well, he tried explaining that all the claims about the GBR was dying, it was getting swamped by silt and bla bla, were totally bollox. And what happened? His employer, the university, sacked him because he wasn't following the political narrative, heavens, they don't want to lose funding. Intact, as sea levels rise, more coral grows as coral dies out of water due to lower levels.

I'm sure if you search for him on USMB, he was covered a year or two back. DO NOT go against the climate narrative, you get defunded and cancelled.
 
If you have an alternative that can save as many lives of poor people in the third world as DDT,
spread the fucking word, because millions are dying to make white libtwats feel good.
Sure, show your source material for millions and I will show you current alternatives.
 
Have you heard of Peter Ridd who was the leading scientist on the Great Barrier Reef (GBR)? Well, he tried explaining that all the claims about the GBR was dying, it was getting swamped by silt and bla bla, were totally bollox. And what happened? His employer, the university, sacked him because he wasn't following the political narrative, heavens, they don't want to lose funding. Intact, as sea levels rise, more coral grows as coral dies out of water due to lower levels.

I'm sure if you search for him on USMB, he was covered a year or two back. DO NOT go against the climate narrative, you get defunded and cancelled.
This Peter Ridd the one with a phd in Physics.

Okay, here is Peter the Aussie who works for the coal industry.

Peter Ridd

Do you have a better example of a scientist?
 
I switched my vehicles to Prius from lower MPG ones.

Changed my stove to a new ceramic unit from gas.

You?
You're still polluting, you should be walking. You shouldn't be buying products made in factories, the raw materials were mined and shipped/flown in. Your Pirus has welded body panels, welding creates greenhouses gases. You're using a device made from raw materials and plastic in order to access the internet so you can advertise your hypocrisy.

Me, I use a gas hob, I put logs and coal on the fire, I eat farting animals, and I run a diesel car and a diesel van. I haven't changed what I do and no intentions. I'm in the process of looking for a diesel pickup, a Nissan Navara, then I will eventually sell the van. Just like you, I'm still a consumer.

An EV will reduce your motoring carbon footprint by a mere 17% to 30%, but it will decrease the weight of your wallet by over 50%. Is a Prius a hybrid, so you're not following the EV narrative.
 
You're still polluting, you should be walking. You shouldn't be buying products made in factories, the raw materials were mined and shipped/flown in. Your Pirus has welded body panels, welding creates greenhouses gases. You're using a device made from raw materials and plastic in order to access the internet so you can advertise your hypocrisy.

Me, I use a gas hob, I put logs and coal on the fire, I eat farting animals, and I run a diesel car and a diesel van. I haven't changed what I do and no intentions. I'm in the process of looking for a diesel pickup, a Nissan Navara, then I will eventually sell the van. Just like you, I'm still a consumer.

An EV will reduce your motoring carbon footprint by a mere 17% to 30%, but it will decrease the weight of your wallet by over 50%. Is a Prius a hybrid, so you're not following the EV narrative.
So, just boiler plate response to someone who has done more that the average person in America.

While still cry-babying over people who push the type of systemic change needed over your petty concerns.


Question for you, since you love coal, why don’t you heat your house (assuming you own one) with it?
 

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