The Lazy Poor

[kwc57]

That may have been true before our better paying jobs were shipped overseas. It's not true today.

You're wrong. Life is about choices. My 20 year old son who is a sophomore in college spent last summer making about $8 per hour working for a garden center a mile from our house. This summer he will be serving an internship on the north slope of Alaska making about $28 per hour. It's because he is getting an education in a field with high demand and is willing to go where the job and money is.

Your son is lucky. My niece got her degree in Environmental Sciences and still can't find a job in her field. She's working at Bartells where they put her through pharmacology school and she just graduated. Many if not most college graduates today are not finding work in their field and some of them aren't finding work at all. As I said, the rungs on the ladder are missing, we've shipped them overseas.

Luck has little to do with planning and preparation. As far as your niece, is she willing to go where the work is? The outlook for Environmental Scientists is good according to Environmental Scientists and Specialists : Occupational Outlook Handbook : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's hard to be a sea captain in Arizona. Your prospects are better if you move to the coast. As far as kids not being able to find jobs in their field, perhaps they are picking the wrong fields. I know we tell kids they can be anything they want and to do something they love......but the reality is they need to do something that puts food on the table and a roof over your head. At 30 years old, my niece is working on her PHD in medieval literature and is an assistant at her university grading papers. Unless some old white haired professor dies, I don't know what she will be able to do beyond become a high school english teacher. As I said earlier, life is about choices.

 

[Againsheila]

You're wrong. Life is about choices. My 20 year old son who is a sophomore in college spent last summer making about $8 per hour working for a garden center a mile from our house. This summer he will be serving an internship on the north slope of Alaska making about $28 per hour. It's because he is getting an education in a field with high demand and is willing to go where the job and money is.

Also, all Alaskan residents are heavily subsidized by the U.S. government.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.......but he is an Oklahoma resident. He will be spending the summer doing fire and safety work for BP in Alaska.

"summer" job. Good for him. Come back when you can show me he found a well paying permanent job. My brother was a fisherman in Alaska. He worked for only a few months of the year but he made good money. Even those jobs are hard to find these days and it's only for the young. They won't hire a 50 year old, especially if she's a woman.

No, things are not what they once were in this country and no matter what you say, jobs just aren't as easy to get as you think and the ones that are available, if you can find one, pays crap. You can't even put a roof over your head on a minimum wage job, even a crappy roof, not if you also want to pay for food and utilities.

 

[kwc57]

Hell. I've moved several times following the jobs.

If I lost my job tomorrow my ass would be in North Dakota. Jobs up the ass there.

Ya gotta go where the jobs are. Thats always been my motto.

Mine too.

It's the motto of all successful and independent people.

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Welllll then, enjoy Detroit.

 

[Freemason9]

You're wrong. Life is about choices. My 20 year old son who is a sophomore in college spent last summer making about $8 per hour working for a garden center a mile from our house. This summer he will be serving an internship on the north slope of Alaska making about $28 per hour. It's because he is getting an education in a field with high demand and is willing to go where the job and money is.

Your son is lucky. My niece got her degree in Environmental Sciences and still can't find a job in her field. She's working at Bartells where they put her through pharmacology school and she just graduated. Many if not most college graduates today are not finding work in their field and some of them aren't finding work at all. As I said, the rungs on the ladder are missing, we've shipped them overseas.

Luck has little to do with planning and preparation. As far as your niece, is she willing to go where the work is? The outlook for Environmental Scientists is good according to Environmental Scientists and Specialists : Occupational Outlook Handbook : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's hard to be a sea captain in Arizona. Your prospects are better if you move to the coast. As far as kids not being able to find jobs in their field, perhaps they are picking the wrong fields. I know we tell kids they can be anything they want and to do something they love......but the reality is they need to do something that puts food on the table and a roof over your head. At 30 years old, my niece is working on her PHD in medieval literature and is an assistant at her university grading papers. Unless some old white haired professor dies, I don't know what she will be able to do beyond become a high school english teacher. As I said earlier, life is about choices.

Your source is out of date; it was valid for 2010. Since then, many thousands of public sector jobs have disappeared, and the public sector was a primary employer in that field. Additionally, the private sector has opted for accumulating cash and increasing shareholder distributions rather than investing in intensive R&D, so employment hasn't grown there much either.

Basically, you say that life sucks and we shouldn't expect otherwise. Well, I suppose.

(By the way, luck is EVERYTHING. To state otherwise is pure narcisism. You're basically no more valuable, intelligent, or capable than anyone else.)

 

[Againsheila]

Mine too.

It's the motto of all successful and independent people.

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Welllll then, enjoy Detroit.

For a job? I would go. I plan on going to Chicago when my husband retires to see if I can't get rehired by United Airlines so I can get retirement (flight) benefits. The truth is that no one is guaranteed a job and there is no way for someone who is not working to get there. And if you live in a family where your husband or spouse is working, why would you move for a job, especially one that isn't guaranteed? It would be worse for you BOTH to be out of work.

 

[Freemason9]

Mine too.

It's the motto of all successful and independent people.

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Welllll then, enjoy Detroit.

Hah! No, thanks. Won't be going to Detroit, either . . . although I hear that a person can get terrific deals on real estate!

 

[Freemason9]

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Welllll then, enjoy Detroit.

For a job? I would go. I plan on going to Chicago when my husband retires to see if I can't get rehired by United Airlines so I can get retirement (flight) benefits. The truth is that no one is guaranteed a job and there is no way for someone who is not working to get there. And if you live in a family where your husband or spouse is working, why would you move for a job, especially one that isn't guaranteed? It would be worse for you BOTH to be out of work.

Chicago's a great place. On the other hand, I might prefer to be jobless in Cozumel over employed in North Dakota.

 

[Claudette]

Hell. I've moved several times following the jobs.

If I lost my job tomorrow my ass would be in North Dakota. Jobs up the ass there.

Ya gotta go where the jobs are. Thats always been my motto.

Mine too.

It's the motto of all successful and independent people.

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Oh it could very well happen.

I spent 20yrs in Northern NH almost on the Canadian border so if you think cold weather would bother me then your out to lunch there pal.

There were days when 8 degrees was the high for the whole week and 36 below zero was the temp at night.

As for the scenery and the population I guess that would matter if I gave a shit.

I could care if I had a neighbor.

For a right wing political environment ND does pretty damed good. Or perhaps its BECAUSE its a right wing environment. ND is a pretty healthy STate. Low UE and they have their own State Bank. Jobs up the ass. Yup. ND in a right wing environment is doing A O K.

Gee. Mayby the rest of the country should catch a clue.

 

[Againsheila]

Your son is lucky. My niece got her degree in Environmental Sciences and still can't find a job in her field. She's working at Bartells where they put her through pharmacology school and she just graduated. Many if not most college graduates today are not finding work in their field and some of them aren't finding work at all. As I said, the rungs on the ladder are missing, we've shipped them overseas.

Luck has little to do with planning and preparation. As far as your niece, is she willing to go where the work is? The outlook for Environmental Scientists is good according to Environmental Scientists and Specialists : Occupational Outlook Handbook : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's hard to be a sea captain in Arizona. Your prospects are better if you move to the coast. As far as kids not being able to find jobs in their field, perhaps they are picking the wrong fields. I know we tell kids they can be anything they want and to do something they love......but the reality is they need to do something that puts food on the table and a roof over your head. At 30 years old, my niece is working on her PHD in medieval literature and is an assistant at her university grading papers. Unless some old white haired professor dies, I don't know what she will be able to do beyond become a high school english teacher. As I said earlier, life is about choices.

Your source is out of date; it was valid for 2010. Since then, many thousands of public sector jobs have disappeared, and the public sector was a primary employer in that field. Additionally, the private sector has opted for accumulating cash and increasing shareholder distributions rather than investing in intensive R&D, so employment hasn't grown there much either.

Basically, you say that life sucks and we shouldn't expect otherwise. Well, I suppose.

(By the way, luck is EVERYTHING. To state otherwise is pure narcisism. You're basically no more valuable, intelligent, or capable than anyone else.)

Yes, when my niece started her degree it was in high demand, she never expected to have so much trouble finding a job. My son's field was in high demand when he started his education too....by the time he was finished, no jobs were to be had. Apparently kids are suppose to be psychic now.

 

[kwc57]

Also, all Alaskan residents are heavily subsidized by the U.S. government.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.......but he is an Oklahoma resident. He will be spending the summer doing fire and safety work for BP in Alaska.

"summer" job. Good for him. Come back when you can show me he found a well paying permanent job. My brother was a fisherman in Alaska. He worked for only a few months of the year but he made good money. Even those jobs are hard to find these days and it's only for the young. They won't hire a 50 year old, especially if she's a woman.

No, things are not what they once were in this country and no matter what you say, jobs just aren't as easy to get as you think and the ones that are available, if you can find one, pays crap. You can't even put a roof over your head on a minimum wage job, even a crappy roof, not if you also want to pay for food and utilities.

You're not listening, Ms Glass Half Empty. Can't never did anything. It isn't a "summer" job. It's an internship. BP came to his school with 2 internships. There were 122 applicants. They granted 16 interviews. He is 1 of the 2 they hired. Most of those other applicants found other internships. Heck, my son who was selected as 1 out of 122 wasn't granted an interview by several others he applied for. Again, choices. The field he is studying for only has two accredited programs in the whole US and it is a field that every major corporation in the world needs. About 98% of the students in his field have a job secured during their senior year, some starting at 6 figures. If he'd decided to be an english or history major, he probably would be one of the kids who can't find a job either.

 

[kwc57]

Your son is lucky. My niece got her degree in Environmental Sciences and still can't find a job in her field. She's working at Bartells where they put her through pharmacology school and she just graduated. Many if not most college graduates today are not finding work in their field and some of them aren't finding work at all. As I said, the rungs on the ladder are missing, we've shipped them overseas.

Luck has little to do with planning and preparation. As far as your niece, is she willing to go where the work is? The outlook for Environmental Scientists is good according to Environmental Scientists and Specialists : Occupational Outlook Handbook : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's hard to be a sea captain in Arizona. Your prospects are better if you move to the coast. As far as kids not being able to find jobs in their field, perhaps they are picking the wrong fields. I know we tell kids they can be anything they want and to do something they love......but the reality is they need to do something that puts food on the table and a roof over your head. At 30 years old, my niece is working on her PHD in medieval literature and is an assistant at her university grading papers. Unless some old white haired professor dies, I don't know what she will be able to do beyond become a high school english teacher. As I said earlier, life is about choices.

Your source is out of date; it was valid for 2010. Since then, many thousands of public sector jobs have disappeared, and the public sector was a primary employer in that field. Additionally, the private sector has opted for accumulating cash and increasing shareholder distributions rather than investing in intensive R&D, so employment hasn't grown there much either.

Basically, you say that life sucks and we shouldn't expect otherwise. Well, I suppose.

(By the way, luck is EVERYTHING. To state otherwise is pure narcisism. You're basically no more valuable, intelligent, or capable than anyone else.)

Does it physically hurt to be that ignorant? It is the latest government data available and it projects thru 2020. I bet you think sacking groceries should pay a "living wage" too.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't know, but I've used up all my fingers counting sheila's excuses for not working.

 

[Freemason9]

Mine too.

It's the motto of all successful and independent people.

Sorry, that will never happen. That place is a shithole, and that's why they have to pay so much for people to move there. The climate is horrible, the scenary is stark, the population is dreary, and it is a harsh right-wing political environment--not very inviting for anyone under the age of, say, 60.

Oh it could very well happen.

I spent 20yrs in Northern NH almost on the Canadian border so if you think cold weather would bother me then your out to lunch there pal.

There were days when 8 degrees was the high for the whole week and 36 below zero was the temp at night.

As for the scenery and the population I guess that would matter if I gave a shit.

I could care if I had a neighbor.

For a right wing political environment ND does pretty damed good. Or perhaps its BECAUSE its a right wing environment. ND is a pretty healthy STate. Low UE and they have their own State Bank. Jobs up the ass. Yup. ND in a right wing environment is doing A O K.

Gee. Mayby the rest of the country should catch a clue.

And why does North Dakota have a low unemployment rate? Because the ONLY reason to live there is for employment. If you don't have a job and you're still living in ND, you're retired, "disabled," or just plain stupid.

Their budget is in good shape because they get so damned much money from the rest of the country through the U.S. government. North Dakota is nowhere near self-sustaining; without federal help, it would be a wasteland.

Two words describe North Dakota--Farm Subsidies.

Jobs up the ass? Hardly. They have a good growth rate, but that's easily done when they started from basically a zero non-agricultural employment base. You can take the entire annual employment growth in North Dakota by numbers, and it wouldn't affect New York by even a tenth of a percent. In other words, it's way overblown. Mainly right wing talk radio blather.

The fact of the matter is that there are many reasons why North Dakota cannot fill job openings, and you should think about that before you extol the virtues of right wing environments.

 

[Freemason9]

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.......but he is an Oklahoma resident. He will be spending the summer doing fire and safety work for BP in Alaska.

"summer" job. Good for him. Come back when you can show me he found a well paying permanent job. My brother was a fisherman in Alaska. He worked for only a few months of the year but he made good money. Even those jobs are hard to find these days and it's only for the young. They won't hire a 50 year old, especially if she's a woman.

No, things are not what they once were in this country and no matter what you say, jobs just aren't as easy to get as you think and the ones that are available, if you can find one, pays crap. You can't even put a roof over your head on a minimum wage job, even a crappy roof, not if you also want to pay for food and utilities.

You're not listening, Ms Glass Half Empty. Can't never did anything. It isn't a "summer" job. It's an internship. BP came to his school with 2 internships. There were 122 applicants. They granted 16 interviews. He is 1 of the 2 they hired. Most of those other applicants found other internships. Heck, my son who was selected as 1 out of 122 wasn't granted an interview by several others he applied for. Again, choices. The field he is studying for only has two accredited programs in the whole US and it is a field that every major corporation in the world needs. About 98% of the students in his field have a job secured during their senior year, some starting at 6 figures. If he'd decided to be an english or history major, he probably would be one of the kids who can't find a job either.

This probably is attributable to the god-like qualities of your son, and the virtues of hard work and upright living. Plus, he is simple better than the "other" 99%.

LOL

 

[koshergrl]

Uh, no, as usual you are completely confused.

North Dakota has jobs because there is INDUSTRY going on there. People are building things. Washington doesnt' give a shit if North Dakota's air is polluted and the water is spoiled, because nobody from Washington ever wants to vacation there.

 

[High_Gravity]

Luck has little to do with planning and preparation. As far as your niece, is she willing to go where the work is? The outlook for Environmental Scientists is good according to Environmental Scientists and Specialists : Occupational Outlook Handbook : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's hard to be a sea captain in Arizona. Your prospects are better if you move to the coast. As far as kids not being able to find jobs in their field, perhaps they are picking the wrong fields. I know we tell kids they can be anything they want and to do something they love......but the reality is they need to do something that puts food on the table and a roof over your head. At 30 years old, my niece is working on her PHD in medieval literature and is an assistant at her university grading papers. Unless some old white haired professor dies, I don't know what she will be able to do beyond become a high school english teacher. As I said earlier, life is about choices.

Your source is out of date; it was valid for 2010. Since then, many thousands of public sector jobs have disappeared, and the public sector was a primary employer in that field. Additionally, the private sector has opted for accumulating cash and increasing shareholder distributions rather than investing in intensive R&D, so employment hasn't grown there much either.

Basically, you say that life sucks and we shouldn't expect otherwise. Well, I suppose.

(By the way, luck is EVERYTHING. To state otherwise is pure narcisism. You're basically no more valuable, intelligent, or capable than anyone else.)

Yes, when my niece started her degree it was in high demand, she never expected to have so much trouble finding a job. My son's field was in high demand when he started his education too....by the time he was finished, no jobs were to be had. Apparently kids are suppose to be psychic now.

You can start a degree in somethings that very high in demand but 4 years later when you graduate all those jobs are in Pakistan and there is nothing for you here.

 

[koshergrl]

"summer" job. Good for him. Come back when you can show me he found a well paying permanent job. My brother was a fisherman in Alaska. He worked for only a few months of the year but he made good money. Even those jobs are hard to find these days and it's only for the young. They won't hire a 50 year old, especially if she's a woman.

No, things are not what they once were in this country and no matter what you say, jobs just aren't as easy to get as you think and the ones that are available, if you can find one, pays crap. You can't even put a roof over your head on a minimum wage job, even a crappy roof, not if you also want to pay for food and utilities.

You're not listening, Ms Glass Half Empty. Can't never did anything. It isn't a "summer" job. It's an internship. BP came to his school with 2 internships. There were 122 applicants. They granted 16 interviews. He is 1 of the 2 they hired. Most of those other applicants found other internships. Heck, my son who was selected as 1 out of 122 wasn't granted an interview by several others he applied for. Again, choices. The field he is studying for only has two accredited programs in the whole US and it is a field that every major corporation in the world needs. About 98% of the students in his field have a job secured during their senior year, some starting at 6 figures. If he'd decided to be an english or history major, he probably would be one of the kids who can't find a job either.

This probably is attributable to the god-like qualities of your son, and the virtues of hard work and upright living. Plus, he is simple better than the "other" 99%.

LOL

Well he's simply better than the assholes who sit on their assholes using foodstamps and bitching that there are no jobs.

So do you really believe that a single man who hasn't worked in 5 years is unemployed because there is no job in the world that he could do?

Lol.

 

[Freemason9]

Uh, no, as usual you are completely confused.

North Dakota has jobs because there is INDUSTRY going on there. People are building things. Washington doesnt' give a shit if North Dakota's air is polluted and the water is spoiled, because nobody from Washington ever wants to vacation there.

EXACTLY. That's my point. And also, look at the actual numbers of jobs in that state--not the rates.

Nobody wants to live kneedeep in waste sands and coated with heavy metals. Are you familiar with Romania?

 

[Freemason9]

You're not listening, Ms Glass Half Empty. Can't never did anything. It isn't a "summer" job. It's an internship. BP came to his school with 2 internships. There were 122 applicants. They granted 16 interviews. He is 1 of the 2 they hired. Most of those other applicants found other internships. Heck, my son who was selected as 1 out of 122 wasn't granted an interview by several others he applied for. Again, choices. The field he is studying for only has two accredited programs in the whole US and it is a field that every major corporation in the world needs. About 98% of the students in his field have a job secured during their senior year, some starting at 6 figures. If he'd decided to be an english or history major, he probably would be one of the kids who can't find a job either.

This probably is attributable to the god-like qualities of your son, and the virtues of hard work and upright living. Plus, he is simple better than the "other" 99%.

LOL

Well he's simply better than the assholes who sit on their assholes using foodstamps and bitching that there are no jobs.

So do you really believe that a single man who hasn't worked in 5 years is unemployed because there is no job in the world that he could do?

Lol.

Nope. In between the two extremes you have painted, there is reality.

 

[koshergrl]

No, the two extremes are reality. The gray area is in the imagination of people who can't, for whatever reason, look the truth straight in the face.