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That's no it doesn't and that little technicality can be fixed, but you leftist want to redefine the definition of marriage ..How many sexes are there again?Civil unions do that...so how many sexes are there again?
No, the don't...
What Is Marriage?
Marriage is a legal status that is given to a couple by a state government. Regardless of where the marriage is issued, and subject to a few exceptions, it should be recognized by every state and nation around the world. Marriage is desirable because it has several unique rights, protections, and obligations at both the state and federal level for both spouses.
What Is a Civil Union?
A civil union is a legal status that provides many of the same protections as marriage does to both same-sex or heterosexual couples. However, these protections are only available at the state level. Federal protections such as tax and social security benefits are unavailable to the civilly united.
What Are the Differences between Marriage and Civil Unions?
There are significant differences between the benefits and responsibilities of marriage and civil unions. People who are married usually enjoy more benefits than those in civil unions, including:
Legal recognition of the relationship in other states
The ability to divorce in any state, regardless of where married
Tax benefits available to married couples only
Immigration benefits when petitioning for a non-citizen spouse
Federal benefits, such as social security, medical, and life insurance
- See more at: Marriage Compared to Civil Unions LegalMatch Law Library
There is no fixing separate but equal other than full equality. If you don't want gays getting married, you must change the civil institution for everyone, straight or gay. Civil marriage for straights and civil unions for gays is the dictionary definition of separate but equal...which is unconstitutional.
if you accept the premise that gay people are a separate class of people i guess that would be true. Id liked to have 3 wives would that make me a separate class of people? Do you think "transsexuals" are a separate class or is that a behavior issue? Should segregated rest rooms be eliminated to accommodated them?
It is already established that gays are a protected minority group. (Romer v Evans)
Do you believe the religion is a protected class? (it is)
So....what's your quibble?
Clearly it isn't the 10%, or the 20% that many are pushing....
What does that have to do with the principle of forcing folks to participate in events that they find objectionable?
Links to anyone claiming 10-20%?
About 4% of people admit to being gay or lesbian in the US. Those numbers would be higher in a more tolerant and accepting society (expect that to happen in the next 20 years).
What does the number of individual in the minority group have to do with whether or not that minority is entitled to equal rights? Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and yet it would be against the same laws to refuse to bake them a cake (which, by the way, is not participating in any event. By that logic, the guys that sells a gun participates in the murder)
Sure.
"Surveys show a shockingly high fraction think a quarter of the country is gay or lesbian, when the reality is that it's probably less than 2 percent.
Such a misunderstanding of the basic demographics of sexual behavior and identity in America has potentially profound implications for the acceptance of the gay-rights agenda.
One in ten. It's the name of the group that puts on the Reel Affirmations gay and lesbian film festival in Washington, D.C., each year. It's the percent popularized by the Kinsey Report as the size of the gay male population. And it's among the most common figures pointed to in popular culture as an estimate of how many people are gay or lesbian."
Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are - The Atlantic
"...entitled to equal rights?"
Nonsense.
You're simply too weak to stand up for what you believe.
You bullies won't be satisfied unless everyone pats you on the back for being gay.
I've said I don't care one way or another.
If it comes to a vote, I vote against gay marriage as an intellectual endeavor. See, I've never found that any major religion endorses, supports same....and none of the philosophers I've studied came out in favor of homosexuality- most did come out against things like slavery.
So...it makes no difference to me. If you expect me to engage in same, I'd decline...but do what you wish in private.
Just stop telling me to advocate it.
Nobody here is making the 10-20% claim. Few people today are making the 10-20% claim. That 10% number was assigned to anyone who had a wet dream...taking us back to my original assertion that sexuality is a scale and you're simply never going to know how many gay people or straight people there are.
And we're still back to the numbers don't matter when it comes to minority rights.
You asked for a link and I provided it.
Say thank you.
"The Etiquette Book: A Complete Guide to Modern Manners,"
by Jodi R. R. Smith
That's it...dismiss everything else posted and focus on one small irrelevant detail. Transparent deflection.
The numbers don't matter. 2%, 4%, 6% or even the 10% claim made by Kinsey a gazillion years ago. It's irrelevant as to whether or not a minority is deserving of equal rights. Jews make up less than 2% of the US population...try applying all the anti gay laws marriage laws or the "religious freedom" laws to Jews.
Freedom of religion is in the constitution
Freedom of religion is in the constitution
So is freedom FROM religion.
And if a gay couple truly wanted to marry for "love" then why the talk of "benefits?" I thought people married each other for love, not cash and prizes.
Childish argument...
And your argument would be?
Marriage is a legal status that is given to a couple by a state government.
There's the problem right there. Government should not be defining it at all.
Of course government SHOULD. PLEASE explain how divorce would be handled without government laws and protections? HOW would shared property, child support, and alimony, or protecting the weaker party and kids be handled?
That's your problem. You think government should be involved with everyone and everything--parsing out property, making children decide between one parent or the other, splitting families in two--when you have government defining marriage, then you will have it defining anything it wants in whatever way it wants, if it isn't doing so already.
The divorce by itself has done the damage. Government simply douses it with gasoline and lights the match to watch the family burn, figuratively speaking. If anything, the government should be doing something to promote the integrity of the family, not doing things to abet its disintegration.
Now, that was my rant.
You totally misunderstood my statement. Government can regulate marriage, but it shouldn't be defining or redefining it. That's not its job. It's job is neither to promote nor endorse one type of marriage or the other. That's why the founders put no specific language in the Constitution dealing with marriage. Their foresight again is impeccable and prophetic.
Very good and fair points.You want tolerance and understanding from people like me for gays, right? You want for me not to be a bigot and treat gays equally. So, how you would launching a character assassination against me convince me to do that, with someone like you acting as their champion?
Gays want to escape the bigotry and intolerance they are subjected to, correct? Then why is it, when they have been liberated from such oppression, that they become the very thing they wished to escape from?
I'm pro-gay marriage (actually I don't really give a shit, so by default that is "pro") but it's frustrating to see the Left resort to virtually nothing else but personal insults and name-calling on pretty much every issue. Surely, at some intellectual level, they must realize that treating people like that ("you're just a racist!") is only going to make things worse, yet they persist. It's like getting a child to stop doing something, they simply will not listen.
My theory is they're going to continue to behave like this under the assumption that demographics will do their work for them, that they don't really need to be decent and civil. I can see the strategy, I guess, but it still isn't a way to deal with people.
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Reasonable people understand when tolerance is appropriate, and when it's not.
Yes... Which is why I pointed out that Americans do not demand that tolerance is sacrosanct as does that cult of children and fools on the Left.
To tolerate intolerance is to be intolerant.
Reader, Recall that my position is that The Left holds up "Tolerance" as sacrosanct, while being among the most intolerant cult in Human History. Recall, that just 60 years ago, the Ideological Left murdered 150 MILLION innocent human beings, whose only crime was that they were not inclined to accept communism.
Atrocities which stand unparalleled in human history and set the Left's "Tolerance" at roughly equal to that of EBOLA.
Truly, in every sense of the word, "Left-think" ... is a disorder of the human mind; OKA: a Disease.
So why do you leftist make excuses for the islamonazis ?NONE of that is socialism...
You are right comparing Hitler and Stalin...both were right wing dictators...
My laughter has reached uncontainable levels and my sides are now hurdling through the atmosphere at the light speed...
Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..
Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."
Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps
That's no it doesn't and that little technicality can be fixed, but you leftist want to redefine the definition of marriage ..How many sexes are there again?No, the don't...
What Is Marriage?
Marriage is a legal status that is given to a couple by a state government. Regardless of where the marriage is issued, and subject to a few exceptions, it should be recognized by every state and nation around the world. Marriage is desirable because it has several unique rights, protections, and obligations at both the state and federal level for both spouses.
What Is a Civil Union?
A civil union is a legal status that provides many of the same protections as marriage does to both same-sex or heterosexual couples. However, these protections are only available at the state level. Federal protections such as tax and social security benefits are unavailable to the civilly united.
What Are the Differences between Marriage and Civil Unions?
There are significant differences between the benefits and responsibilities of marriage and civil unions. People who are married usually enjoy more benefits than those in civil unions, including:
Legal recognition of the relationship in other states
The ability to divorce in any state, regardless of where married
Tax benefits available to married couples only
Immigration benefits when petitioning for a non-citizen spouse
Federal benefits, such as social security, medical, and life insurance
- See more at: Marriage Compared to Civil Unions LegalMatch Law Library
There is no fixing separate but equal other than full equality. If you don't want gays getting married, you must change the civil institution for everyone, straight or gay. Civil marriage for straights and civil unions for gays is the dictionary definition of separate but equal...which is unconstitutional.
if you accept the premise that gay people are a separate class of people i guess that would be true. Id liked to have 3 wives would that make me a separate class of people? Do you think "transsexuals" are a separate class or is that a behavior issue? Should segregated rest rooms be eliminated to accommodated them?
It is already established that gays are a protected minority group. (Romer v Evans)
Do you believe the religion is a protected class? (it is)
."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Freedom of religion is in the constitution freedom to have anal sex is not. "Living constitution" you leftest never quit
This case is activist because judges relied on the so-called Living Constitution to make the Constitution comport with their self-described enlightened sensibilities. The majority opinion failed to even mention the precedent of Bowers v. Hardwick, the 1986 Supreme Court case that declared that it is permissible for states to make homosexual conduct a crime. Bowers was reversed seven years after Romer in the case of Lawrence v. Texas. The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was enacted to ensure that the states and their agents would secure the full and equal benefit of the laws for all persons without arbitrarily enforcing laws against individuals; it was not intended to grant certain individuals or groups special status that trumps the rights of others that are explicitly protection by our laws, such as the right of association.
The Court claims that the amendment lacked a rational relationship to a legitimate state interest, the lowest standard for a challenged state law to meet. The outcome therefore suggests an ideological thumb placed on the scale. The dissenting opinion by Justice Scalia artfully explains the majority’s mischaracterization of the government purpose of Amendment 2: “The Court has mistaken a Kulturkampf for a fit of spite.” Despite the Court’s accusations of “animus,” the state was preserving the ability of its citizens to debate a cultural issue while refraining from enforcing a certain position in the debate. In granting constitutional status to an issue on which the Constitution is silent, the Court seized the right of the American people to debate and decide this issue through the democratic process.
Romer v. Evans
The islamonazi's are slaughtering people, what do think of that? Are conservative Christians just as bad in your mind? Do you think attempting to save the lives of theSo why do you leftist make excuses for the islamonazis ?NONE of that is socialism...
You are right comparing Hitler and Stalin...both were right wing dictators...
My laughter has reached uncontainable levels and my sides are now hurdling through the atmosphere at the light speed...
Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..
Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."
Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps
I never make excuses for ultra-conservative religious zealots...
The islamonazi's are slaughtering people, what do think of that? Are conservative Christians just as bad in your mind? Do you think attempting to save the lives of theSo why do you leftist make excuses for the islamonazis ?NONE of that is socialism...
You are right comparing Hitler and Stalin...both were right wing dictators...
My laughter has reached uncontainable levels and my sides are now hurdling through the atmosphere at the light speed...
Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..
Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."
Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps
I never make excuses for ultra-conservative religious zealots...
unborn is the same as slaughtering babies, women and children? are you in favor, as Obama certainly was of sucking out the brains of partially born babies? Are you a really Christian?
You and those like you are going to be nasty to those who disagree with you because that's just the way you are.Good point, we really need to treat conservatives like children. They are not adults.Very good and fair points.You want tolerance and understanding from people like me for gays, right? You want for me not to be a bigot and treat gays equally. So, how you would launching a character assassination against me convince me to do that, with someone like you acting as their champion?
Gays want to escape the bigotry and intolerance they are subjected to, correct? Then why is it, when they have been liberated from such oppression, that they become the very thing they wished to escape from?
I'm pro-gay marriage (actually I don't really give a shit, so by default that is "pro") but it's frustrating to see the Left resort to virtually nothing else but personal insults and name-calling on pretty much every issue. Surely, at some intellectual level, they must realize that treating people like that ("you're just a racist!") is only going to make things worse, yet they persist. It's like getting a child to stop doing something, they simply will not listen.
My theory is they're going to continue to behave like this under the assumption that demographics will do their work for them, that they don't really need to be decent and civil. I can see the strategy, I guess, but it still isn't a way to deal with people.
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Very good and fair points.You want tolerance and understanding from people like me for gays, right? You want for me not to be a bigot and treat gays equally. So, how you would launching a character assassination against me convince me to do that, with someone like you acting as their champion?
Gays want to escape the bigotry and intolerance they are subjected to, correct? Then why is it, when they have been liberated from such oppression, that they become the very thing they wished to escape from?
I'm pro-gay marriage (actually I don't really give a shit, so by default that is "pro") but it's frustrating to see the Left resort to virtually nothing else but personal insults and name-calling on pretty much every issue. Surely, at some intellectual level, they must realize that treating people like that ("you're just a racist!") is only going to make things worse, yet they persist. It's like getting a child to stop doing something, they simply will not listen.
My theory is they're going to continue to behave like this under the assumption that demographics will do their work for them, that they don't really need to be decent and civil. I can see the strategy, I guess, but it still isn't a way to deal with people.
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Good point, we really need to treat conservatives like children. They are not adults.
Freedom of religion is in the constitution
So is freedom FROM religion.
Nope... That is literally NOT in the Constitution.
But ... Just to be cruel, you're invited to cite the specific section wherein you 'feel' the freedom from Religion is expressed IN the USC.
(Reader you'll find that this would-be 'contributor' is unable to demonstrate any validity of its claim. And the reality that it's claim is false... will in no way alter its feeling that what is not true... Is true.)
Cite anything in the Constitution that allows you to impose your religion on others.
And if a gay couple truly wanted to marry for "love" then why the talk of "benefits?" I thought people married each other for love, not cash and prizes.
Childish argument...
And your argument would be?
Intelligent, mature, tolerant, benign...
Cite anything in the Constitution that allows you to impose your religion on others.
Cite anything in the Constitution that allows our government to force people to act against their faith or face financial ruination. Come on now, you can do it.
Cite anything in the Constitution that allows you to impose your religion on others.
Cite anything in the Constitution that allows our government to force people to act against their faith or face financial ruination. Come on now, you can do it.
Notice you didn't answer the questionThe islamonazi's are slaughtering people, what do think of that? Are conservative Christians just as bad in your mind? Do you think attempting to save the lives of theSo why do you leftist make excuses for the islamonazis ?
My laughter has reached uncontainable levels and my sides are now hurdling through the atmosphere at the light speed...
Maybe you should stop laughing...it is ironic that YOUR beliefs are the same as Hitler..
Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."
Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps
I never make excuses for ultra-conservative religious zealots...
unborn is the same as slaughtering babies, women and children? are you in favor, as Obama certainly was of sucking out the brains of partially born babies? Are you a really Christian?
Conservative Christians are cut from the same cloth...
The right has no concern for the unborn. It is a ruse created in response to Green v. Connally not Roe v. Wade.
Evangelical: Religious Right Has Distorted the Faith
It's the Catholic Church that has always been at the forefront of the "right to life" movement, they are hardly "right wingers" So the rest of my question to you, you have no problem with I take it? That tells us all we need to know about the leftist nutjobs
