The leftist worship of the party/state is analogous with fascism

[Pogo]

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state. For the left, they are virtually one-in-the-same. What happens to average Americans is irrelevant compared to what happens to the party and state. Countless times on this forum I have asked leftists why they love the Democratic Party more than they love average Americans. I'm still waiting for an answer. Their total devotion to the party and state is exactly what Benito Mussolini wanted from Italian Fascists as evidenced by his writings, some of which I will share below.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.

Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual

Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State

but first and foremost they form the State

advancing, as one conscience and one will

the State which creates the nation

It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a State.

A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is active. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers

FASCIST STATE AS A SPIRITUAL FORCE

The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man.

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life.

Here are some interesting statements by Mussolini on fascism growing out of socialism:

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL DOCTRINE - EVOLUTION FROM SOCIALISM

in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists

And here Mussolini points out how fascism is opposed to both political and economic "liberalism". He is referring to, of course, economic and political freedom. The concept of "liberalism" in the 1920's (when this was written) is altogether different than what it is today.

REJECTION OF ECONOMIC LIBERALISM - ADMIRATION OF BISMARCK

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

I love how right wingers keep twisting themselves into pretzels trying to equate liberalism with racism, fascism, and radical economic thinking when all of the best countries in the world to live in are liberal democracies.

It's their exercise in "Up is Down; War is Peace, and most importantly, Ignorance is Strength".

 

[Pogo]

Here's another revisionist desperately trying to play "mirror image" with the political spectrum.
It's kind of sad that y'all think that's ever going to work.

Petty_Peasant You'll notice that leftists like this guy say I'm wrong, but can't actually produce an argument to demonstrate how I'm wrong. Some leftist, academic put in a dictionary that fascism is "right-wing" and that's what folks like Pogo rely on.

Every fascist regime that has ever existed REJECTED free-market capitalism in favor of a government-managed economy. The first tent of the modern right IS free-market capitalism and the rejection of over-regulation by government. Fascism demands endless and massive government regulations over business and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism demands federal control of healthcare and education and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism opposes free-market capitalism and so does many modern Democrats, particularly folks like Bernie and AOC, darlings of the Democratic Party.

You can't make the argument because there is no argument. Fascism is left-wing ideology at the extreme.

"Rejection of free market capitalism" does not make for right wing; it makes for anti-Liberal. Which the fascists certainly were. Clearly you have no clue where you're going with this neo-revisionism thing, which, if there were a place to go with it, would have been gone to long before our time. We kind of already figured out you were wandering aimlessly into this PoliSci forest when you tried to equate the Democratic Party with "the left". Fascism was/is utterly opposed to Liberalism, Socialism and Communism. The Socialists and Communists of 1920s-'30s Germany were in fact Hitler's primary points of opposition, which he immediately set out to undermine with the SS ("Brownshirts"), declaring the Socialist Party illegal, and making them the first wave of "guests" at the first concentration camp, Dachau.

What makes fascism right-wing is its ideals of striated classes with a supreme ruling class; hypernationalism; elevation of the State über alles; its jingoistic appeals to bring back some "glorious" past (e.g. Roman Empire, e.g. Prussia), usually (but not always, see Franco in Spain) leading to some massive conquest; its authoritarian bent in general including the hypertraditonal relegation of women to "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche". It's especially strong on religion, nationalism, militarism, machismo, class designations, anything that serves to subjugate the masses to the will of its designated Authority. Fascism is where authoritarian paternalism supplants social fraternalism.

And it need not be a government; for an example see "Ku Klux Klan", who were practicing fascism before the term was invented.

The first tenet of the right is the free-market economy.

Actually that's the first end result of Liberalism, which is neither "left" nor "right".

It is the left that wants and imposes endless regulations to try and control the market.

Nope, that would be the Statists. Whether they're "left", "right" or "neither". By "Statists" I mean those who want that striated authoritarian police state I already described while you were going

The extreme of leftist ideology rejects free-market capitalism in favor of a government managed economic. These are basic concepts that you refuse to acknowledge.

Actually these are basic hallucinations that you pulled out of your ass. Or more concerningly, pulled out of someone else's ass because they told you to.

Yes, fascism was born from socialism and is its ideological sibling.

Kind of a neat trick since fascists are opposed to socialism, which I just laid out in the very post you quoted without reading.

You can rock back and forth in the corner making moaning noises about these laughable revisionisms in your desperate attempt to convince yourself but nobody's buying. And you aren't either. If you were, you wouldn't have needed to start this desperate thread. You already know better, and you KNOW you already know better.

And it's all unnecessary because even if you were on the mark the only place you could take it would be an Ass-ociation Fallacy anyway. "Fascists are right-wing, I'm right wing, therefore I'm a fascist". Not that simple, Elmer.

Take heart, hallucinatory OP --- here comes help.

>> Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

... Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements.[4][13]

... Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who drew upon both left-wing organizational tactics and right-wing political views.[50]

Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[51][52] A major element of fascist ideology that has been deemed to be far-right is its stated goal to promote the right of a supposedly superior people to dominate, while purging society of supposedly inferior elements.[53]

In the 1920s, the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".[54][55]
<< --- Wiki​

I did forget to mention the "strong leader" Cult-of-Personality aspect. That's important too. It naturally follows from the authoritarian mindset that envisions an élite ruling class who thinks they're better than the rabble. Kind of the exact opposite of the Liberal idea that "all men are created equal".

Know any modern examples of a Cult of Personality? Some figure who might say something like "I alone can fix it" or "I know more than the generals"? I sure can't think of anybody like that, can you?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Here's another revisionist desperately trying to play "mirror image" with the political spectrum.
It's kind of sad that y'all think that's ever going to work.

Petty_Peasant You'll notice that leftists like this guy say I'm wrong, but can't actually produce an argument to demonstrate how I'm wrong. Some leftist, academic put in a dictionary that fascism is "right-wing" and that's what folks like Pogo rely on.

Every fascist regime that has ever existed REJECTED free-market capitalism in favor of a government-managed economy. The first tent of the modern right IS free-market capitalism and the rejection of over-regulation by government. Fascism demands endless and massive government regulations over business and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism demands federal control of healthcare and education and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism opposes free-market capitalism and so does many modern Democrats, particularly folks like Bernie and AOC, darlings of the Democratic Party.

You can't make the argument because there is no argument. Fascism is left-wing ideology at the extreme.

"Rejection of free market capitalism" does not make for right wing; it makes for anti-Liberal. Which the fascists certainly were. Clearly you have no clue where you're going with this neo-revisionism thing, which, if there were a place to go with it, would have been gone to long before our time. We kind of already figured out you were wandering aimlessly into this PoliSci forest when you tried to equate the Democratic Party with "the left". Fascism was/is utterly opposed to Liberalism, Socialism and Communism. The Socialists and Communists of 1920s-'30s Germany were in fact Hitler's primary points of opposition, which he immediately set out to undermine with the SS ("Brownshirts"), declaring the Socialist Party illegal, and making them the first wave of "guests" at the first concentration camp, Dachau.

What makes fascism right-wing is its ideals of striated classes with a supreme ruling class; hypernationalism; elevation of the State über alles; its jingoistic appeals to bring back some "glorious" past (e.g. Roman Empire, e.g. Prussia), usually (but not always, see Franco in Spain) leading to some massive conquest; its authoritarian bent in general including the hypertraditonal relegation of women to "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche". It's especially strong on religion, nationalism, militarism, machismo, class designations, anything that serves to subjugate the masses to the will of its designated Authority. Fascism is where authoritarian paternalism supplants social fraternalism.

And it need not be a government; for an example see "Ku Klux Klan", who were practicing fascism before the term was invented.

The first tenet of the right is the free-market economy.

Actually that's the first end result of Liberalism, which is neither "left" nor "right".

It is the left that wants and imposes endless regulations to try and control the market.

Nope, that would be the Statists. Whether they're "left", "right" or "neither". By "Statists" I mean those who want that striated authoritarian police state I already described while you were going

The extreme of leftist ideology rejects free-market capitalism in favor of a government managed economic. These are basic concepts that you refuse to acknowledge.

Actually these are basic hallucinations that you pulled out of your ass. Or more concerningly, pulled out of someone else's ass because they told you to.

Yes, fascism was born from socialism and is its ideological sibling.

Kind of a neat trick since fascists are opposed to socialism, which I just laid out in the very post you quoted without reading.

You can rock back and forth in the corner making moaning noises about these laughable revisionisms in your desperate attempt to convince yourself but nobody's buying. And you aren't either. If you were, you wouldn't have needed to start this desperate thread. You already know better, and you KNOW you already know better.

And it's all unnecessary because even if you were on the mark the only place you could take it would be an Ass-ociation Fallacy anyway. "Fascists are right-wing, I'm right wing, therefore I'm a fascist". Not that simple, Elmer.

Take heart, hallucinatory OP --- here comes help.

>> Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

... Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements.[4][13] << --- Wiki​

I did forget to mention the "strong leader" Cult-of-Personality aspect. That's important too. It naturally follows from the authoritarian mindset that envisions an élite ruling class who thinks they're better than the rabble. Kind of the exact opposite of the Liberal idea that "all men are created equal".

Know any modern examples of a Cult of Personality? Some figure who might say something like "I alone can fix it" or "I know more than the generals"?

Oh look, the big lie - how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

 

[candycorn]

Nons of that happened under Obama dick breath.

Wow you are so deluded. Amazing.

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[Dragonlady]

Petty_Peasant You'll notice that leftists like this guy say I'm wrong, but can't actually produce an argument to demonstrate how I'm wrong. Some leftist, academic put in a dictionary that fascism is "right-wing" and that's what folks like Pogo rely on.

Every fascist regime that has ever existed REJECTED free-market capitalism in favor of a government-managed economy. The first tent of the modern right IS free-market capitalism and the rejection of over-regulation by government. Fascism demands endless and massive government regulations over business and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism demands federal control of healthcare and education and so does the modern Democrat. Fascism opposes free-market capitalism and so does many modern Democrats, particularly folks like Bernie and AOC, darlings of the Democratic Party.

You can't make the argument because there is no argument. Fascism is left-wing ideology at the extreme.

"Rejection of free market capitalism" does not make for right wing; it makes for anti-Liberal. Which the fascists certainly were. Clearly you have no clue where you're going with this neo-revisionism thing, which, if there were a place to go with it, would have been gone to long before our time. We kind of already figured out you were wandering aimlessly into this PoliSci forest when you tried to equate the Democratic Party with "the left". Fascism was/is utterly opposed to Liberalism, Socialism and Communism. The Socialists and Communists of 1920s-'30s Germany were in fact Hitler's primary points of opposition, which he immediately set out to undermine with the SS ("Brownshirts"), declaring the Socialist Party illegal, and making them the first wave of "guests" at the first concentration camp, Dachau.

What makes fascism right-wing is its ideals of striated classes with a supreme ruling class; hypernationalism; elevation of the State über alles; its jingoistic appeals to bring back some "glorious" past (e.g. Roman Empire, e.g. Prussia), usually (but not always, see Franco in Spain) leading to some massive conquest; its authoritarian bent in general including the hypertraditonal relegation of women to "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche". It's especially strong on religion, nationalism, militarism, machismo, class designations, anything that serves to subjugate the masses to the will of its designated Authority. Fascism is where authoritarian paternalism supplants social fraternalism.

And it need not be a government; for an example see "Ku Klux Klan", who were practicing fascism before the term was invented.

The first tenet of the right is the free-market economy.

Actually that's the first end result of Liberalism, which is neither "left" nor "right".

It is the left that wants and imposes endless regulations to try and control the market.

Nope, that would be the Statists. Whether they're "left", "right" or "neither". By "Statists" I mean those who want that striated authoritarian police state I already described while you were going

The extreme of leftist ideology rejects free-market capitalism in favor of a government managed economic. These are basic concepts that you refuse to acknowledge.

Actually these are basic hallucinations that you pulled out of your ass. Or more concerningly, pulled out of someone else's ass because they told you to.

Yes, fascism was born from socialism and is its ideological sibling.

Kind of a neat trick since fascists are opposed to socialism, which I just laid out in the very post you quoted without reading.

You can rock back and forth in the corner making moaning noises about these laughable revisionisms in your desperate attempt to convince yourself but nobody's buying. And you aren't either. If you were, you wouldn't have needed to start this desperate thread. You already know better, and you KNOW you already know better.

And it's all unnecessary because even if you were on the mark the only place you could take it would be an Ass-ociation Fallacy anyway. "Fascists are right-wing, I'm right wing, therefore I'm a fascist". Not that simple, Elmer.

Take heart, hallucinatory OP --- here comes help.

>> Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

... Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements.[4][13] << --- Wiki​

I did forget to mention the "strong leader" Cult-of-Personality aspect. That's important too. It naturally follows from the authoritarian mindset that envisions an élite ruling class who thinks they're better than the rabble. Kind of the exact opposite of the Liberal idea that "all men are created equal".

Know any modern examples of a Cult of Personality? Some figure who might say something like "I alone can fix it" or "I know more than the generals"?

Oh look, the big lie - how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

There is no such thing as "free market capitalism". All capitalism is regulated to some degree or another. Those countries which have tried "free market capitalism" have found it a highly unsuccessful economic situation for the majority of the population, and it can only be achieved by the most brutal repressison of left wing idiology. Prices rise, wages fall, the rich get richer and the poorer, and even countries like Chili and Argentina, which really tried to do it, failed utterly.

 

[Syriusly]

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state. For the left, they are virtually one-in-the-same. What happens to average Americans is irrelevant compared to what happens to the party and state. Countless times on this forum I have asked leftists why they love the Democratic Party more than they love average Americans. I'm still waiting for an answer. Their total devotion to the party and state is exactly what Benito Mussolini wanted from Italian Fascists as evidenced by his writings, some of which I will share below.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.

Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual

Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State

but first and foremost they form the State

advancing, as one conscience and one will

the State which creates the nation

It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a State.

A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is active. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers

FASCIST STATE AS A SPIRITUAL FORCE

The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man.

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life.

Here are some interesting statements by Mussolini on fascism growing out of socialism:

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL DOCTRINE - EVOLUTION FROM SOCIALISM

in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists

And here Mussolini points out how fascism is opposed to both political and economic "liberalism". He is referring to, of course, economic and political freedom. The concept of "liberalism" in the 1920's (when this was written) is altogether different than what it is today.

REJECTION OF ECONOMIC LIBERALISM - ADMIRATION OF BISMARCK

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

The irony of your post is that you are now the party that worships one man- Donald Trump. The 'leader' who will not accept any deviation from anything he says, accept any criticism of anything he does, or accept responsibility for anything he does.

You are projecting your worship of Donald Trump onto the Democrats.

 

[NoNukes]

The irony involved in a tRumpling accusing anyone else of "worshipping" someone or something is staggering.

They support a compulsive liar with no moral compass. That is not caring for anything but themselves.

Funny to hear an abortionist lecturing another on morals.

I have never performed an abortion.

 

[K9Buck]

The irony involved in a tRumpling accusing anyone else of "worshipping" someone or something is staggering.

They support a compulsive liar with no moral compass. That is not caring for anything but themselves.

Funny to hear an abortionist lecturing another on morals.

I have never performed an abortion.

But you support it, so you're an abortionist. Congratulations. Oh, and, stay downwind of me.

 

[K9Buck]

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state. For the left, they are virtually one-in-the-same. What happens to average Americans is irrelevant compared to what happens to the party and state. Countless times on this forum I have asked leftists why they love the Democratic Party more than they love average Americans. I'm still waiting for an answer. Their total devotion to the party and state is exactly what Benito Mussolini wanted from Italian Fascists as evidenced by his writings, some of which I will share below.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.

Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual

Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State

but first and foremost they form the State

advancing, as one conscience and one will

the State which creates the nation

It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a State.

A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is active. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers

FASCIST STATE AS A SPIRITUAL FORCE

The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man.

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life.

Here are some interesting statements by Mussolini on fascism growing out of socialism:

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL DOCTRINE - EVOLUTION FROM SOCIALISM

in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists

And here Mussolini points out how fascism is opposed to both political and economic "liberalism". He is referring to, of course, economic and political freedom. The concept of "liberalism" in the 1920's (when this was written) is altogether different than what it is today.

REJECTION OF ECONOMIC LIBERALISM - ADMIRATION OF BISMARCK

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

The irony of your post is that you are now the party that worships one man- Donald Trump. The 'leader' who will not accept any deviation from anything he says, accept any criticism of anything he does, or accept responsibility for anything he does.

You are projecting your worship of Donald Trump onto the Democrats.

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state. For the left, they are virtually one-in-the-same. What happens to average Americans is irrelevant compared to what happens to the party and state. Countless times on this forum I have asked leftists why they love the Democratic Party more than they love average Americans. I'm still waiting for an answer. Their total devotion to the party and state is exactly what Benito Mussolini wanted from Italian Fascists as evidenced by his writings, some of which I will share below.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.

Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual

Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State

but first and foremost they form the State

advancing, as one conscience and one will

the State which creates the nation

It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a State.

A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is active. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers

FASCIST STATE AS A SPIRITUAL FORCE

The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man.

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life.

Here are some interesting statements by Mussolini on fascism growing out of socialism:

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL DOCTRINE - EVOLUTION FROM SOCIALISM

in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists

And here Mussolini points out how fascism is opposed to both political and economic "liberalism". He is referring to, of course, economic and political freedom. The concept of "liberalism" in the 1920's (when this was written) is altogether different than what it is today.

REJECTION OF ECONOMIC LIBERALISM - ADMIRATION OF BISMARCK

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

The irony of your post is that you are now the party that worships one man- Donald Trump. The 'leader' who will not accept any deviation from anything he says, accept any criticism of anything he does, or accept responsibility for anything he does.

You are projecting your worship of Donald Trump onto the Democrats.

And you accuse everyone to the right of Michael Moore of being a Trump worshiper. I have criticized Trump countless times.

It's the left that can't criticize Obama, Hillary, Biden, Nancy, etc. no matter how much of their crime and corruption is revealed. Tulsi Gabbard was the first to do so, and the left excoriated her.

 

[K9Buck]

"Rejection of free market capitalism" does not make for right wing; it makes for anti-Liberal. Which the fascists certainly were. Clearly you have no clue where you're going with this neo-revisionism thing, which, if there were a place to go with it, would have been gone to long before our time. We kind of already figured out you were wandering aimlessly into this PoliSci forest when you tried to equate the Democratic Party with "the left". Fascism was/is utterly opposed to Liberalism, Socialism and Communism. The Socialists and Communists of 1920s-'30s Germany were in fact Hitler's primary points of opposition, which he immediately set out to undermine with the SS ("Brownshirts"), declaring the Socialist Party illegal, and making them the first wave of "guests" at the first concentration camp, Dachau.

What makes fascism right-wing is its ideals of striated classes with a supreme ruling class; hypernationalism; elevation of the State über alles; its jingoistic appeals to bring back some "glorious" past (e.g. Roman Empire, e.g. Prussia), usually (but not always, see Franco in Spain) leading to some massive conquest; its authoritarian bent in general including the hypertraditonal relegation of women to "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche". It's especially strong on religion, nationalism, militarism, machismo, class designations, anything that serves to subjugate the masses to the will of its designated Authority. Fascism is where authoritarian paternalism supplants social fraternalism.

And it need not be a government; for an example see "Ku Klux Klan", who were practicing fascism before the term was invented.

The first tenet of the right is the free-market economy.

Actually that's the first end result of Liberalism, which is neither "left" nor "right".

It is the left that wants and imposes endless regulations to try and control the market.

Nope, that would be the Statists. Whether they're "left", "right" or "neither". By "Statists" I mean those who want that striated authoritarian police state I already described while you were going

The extreme of leftist ideology rejects free-market capitalism in favor of a government managed economic. These are basic concepts that you refuse to acknowledge.

Actually these are basic hallucinations that you pulled out of your ass. Or more concerningly, pulled out of someone else's ass because they told you to.

Yes, fascism was born from socialism and is its ideological sibling.

Kind of a neat trick since fascists are opposed to socialism, which I just laid out in the very post you quoted without reading.

You can rock back and forth in the corner making moaning noises about these laughable revisionisms in your desperate attempt to convince yourself but nobody's buying. And you aren't either. If you were, you wouldn't have needed to start this desperate thread. You already know better, and you KNOW you already know better.

And it's all unnecessary because even if you were on the mark the only place you could take it would be an Ass-ociation Fallacy anyway. "Fascists are right-wing, I'm right wing, therefore I'm a fascist". Not that simple, Elmer.

Take heart, hallucinatory OP --- here comes help.

>> Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

... Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements.[4][13] << --- Wiki​

I did forget to mention the "strong leader" Cult-of-Personality aspect. That's important too. It naturally follows from the authoritarian mindset that envisions an élite ruling class who thinks they're better than the rabble. Kind of the exact opposite of the Liberal idea that "all men are created equal".

Know any modern examples of a Cult of Personality? Some figure who might say something like "I alone can fix it" or "I know more than the generals"?

Oh look, the big lie - how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

There is no such thing as "free market capitalism". All capitalism is regulated to some degree or another. Those countries which have tried "free market capitalism" have found it a highly unsuccessful economic situation for the majority of the population, and it can only be achieved by the most brutal repressison of left wing idiology. Prices rise, wages fall, the rich get richer and the poorer, and even countries like Chili and Argentina, which really tried to do it, failed utterly.

An extraordinarily ignorant post. You must work in academia or government. You obviously know nothing about human nature or economics. All these years and you're dumber than ever.

 

[NoNukes]

The irony involved in a tRumpling accusing anyone else of "worshipping" someone or something is staggering.

They support a compulsive liar with no moral compass. That is not caring for anything but themselves.

Funny to hear an abortionist lecturing another on morals.

I have never performed an abortion.

But you support it, so you're an abortionist. Congratulations. Oh, and, stay downwind of me.

I support a woman's' right to choose. I will stay downwind of you, you cannot stand the aroma of truth.

 

[Chuz Life]

I am a lesbian and growing up I had felt I had an entire political party against my personal freedoms.

I'm a white, Christian, Trump-supporting, heterosexual conservative. I'm something many on the left hate. I have bashed many on the right for their intolerant, bigoted views of homosexuals. I'm of the view that gay people should be able to do anything that straight people can do, such as marry and adopt.

I do, however, oppose abortion because I believe that life begins at conception and I believe that abortion unfairly terminates the life of an innocent, third-party.

You might check out this prominent Facebook page, Gays for Trump.

LGBTrump - Gays For Trump

Well stated, indeed.

Their is no greater an example of fascism than the denial of another human being's personhood because they don't (yet) look like, act like or otherwise qualify for protections or personhood because of an arbitrarily drawn conclusion based upon convenience, rather than biology.

Pro abort leftardz are the ultimate example of what a fascists truly is.

 

[Chuz Life]

I personally do not believe life begins at conception based on my understanding of biology and my beliefs about the world and what it means to be human.

Do you have a biological father?

An intellectually honest person should have no problem answering that question.

 

[Chuz Life]

Silence