The Liberal Way: Opposing Assimilation

[Dogmaphobe]

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You cannot create your own meaning for commonly defined terms.

Exactly. Equating American liberals to totalitarian thugs like Nazis(aka Fascist) and Communist dictators is disingenuous to the extent that it is a blatant lie.

Really?

Let's see....
Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


My gratitude for your help in proving that I never lie.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It's why the left hate English being the official language. A common language naturally unites people.

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Typical progressive.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You cannot create your own meaning for commonly defined terms.

Exactly. Equating American liberals to totalitarian thugs like Nazis(aka Fascist) and Communist dictators is disingenuous to the extent that it is a blatant lie.

So, which are the liberals in this thread?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's why the left hate English being the official language. A common language naturally unites people.

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American" not Gook, bitch.

Go back to where you belong if you want to use that toddler scribble.

Didn't you just post this?
אתה כל כך מטומטם אתה לא יודע את האמת כאשר הוא בכפית נמאס לך.



Like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[JumpingPete]

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

You can? Well aren't you a smart little boy. You may have an extra cookie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You cannot create your own meaning for commonly defined terms.

Exactly. Equating American liberals to totalitarian thugs like Nazis(aka Fascist) and Communist dictators is disingenuous to the extent that it is a blatant lie.

So, which are the liberals in this thread?

Well done!

 

[JumpingPete]

It's why the left hate English being the official language. A common language naturally unites people.

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Typical progressive.

Is speaking a language, even for a short time, other than the majority "assimilation", bitch?

She wants everyone to think like she does and then posts is that Sesame Street which item doesn't belong language of her native country?

Speak American, bitches.

 

[BlindBoo]

You cannot create your own meaning for commonly defined terms.

Exactly. Equating American liberals to totalitarian thugs like Nazis(aka Fascist) and Communist dictators is disingenuous to the extent that it is a blatant lie.

Really?

Let's see....
Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


My gratitude for your help in proving that I never lie.

You're creating your own definition. Which is the lie.

Here:

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

Cato's Mission

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. The multicultural project and the National History Standards were major ideological assaults on our nation’s mission, assimilation.



Besides an emphasis on group consciousness over individual citizenship, and on ethnic subcultures over national identity, the standards described the Cold War in terms of moral equivalence (e.g., the “sword play of the US and the USSR”) and actually reversed our history (“Americans believed in the perfectibility of man”). They rejected our traditions, and indoctrinated our children in beliefs inimical to the design of our nation.


Where was the belief and emphasis on equality of individual citizenship, strong American identity, anticommunism, and they faith of the Fathers of our Nation?


Substituted was the progressive utopianism of the Soviet-leaning Vice-President Henry Wallace. No wonder sentient Liberals such as Arthur Schlesinger, jr. launched vigorous attacks on multiculturalism in his book “The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society.”
Fonte, “Sovereignty of Submission,” p.79



Such is the explanation for the Democrat voters.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

You can? Well aren't you a smart little boy. You may have an extra cookie.

I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather, you mindlessly hateful little twit.

 

[JumpingPete]

It's why the left hate English being the official language. A common language naturally unites people.

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American" not Gook, bitch.

Go back to where you belong if you want to use that toddler scribble.

Didn't you just post this?
אתה כל כך מטומטם אתה לא יודע את האמת כאשר הוא בכפית נמאס לך.



Like shooting fish in a barrel.

물론 당신이 노랭 빌어 먹을,했다.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Typical progressive.

Is speaking a language, even for a short time, other than the majority "assimilation", bitch?

She wants everyone to think like she does and then posts is that Sesame Street which item doesn't belong language of her native country?

Speak American, bitches.

He thinks American is a language.

 

[JumpingPete]

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

You can? Well aren't you a smart little boy. You may have an extra cookie.

I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather, you mindlessly hateful little twit.

Are you 120, dumbfuck? Go play. Your observations are as insightful as Little Orphan Annie.

 

[JumpingPete]

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

잘 자란 아이는 언어를 사용하지 않을

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Sorry, this is America and we speak "American", not Gook, bitch.

Typical progressive.

Is speaking a language, even for a short time, other than the majority "assimilation", bitch?

She wants everyone to think like she does and then posts is that Sesame Street which item doesn't belong language of her native country?

Speak American, bitches.

He thinks American is a language.

That's why I put the first usage in quotes, you dumbass.

In Merica they speak Merican.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Duh, people -- why can't you all get on board with PavlovPete and support those practicing gender slavery, anyway? Didn't you know that female genital mutilation, honor killings and arranged marriages between horny uncle Akhbar and little Fatima are now considered LIBERAL. It has to be liberal, right? I mean, all of Pete's little peeps say the exact same thing, and all of them will call you a fascist if you don't march in complete lockstep with them so it must be so.

Are you insane, or just putting on a show?

I have seen you on two different boards, and so understand that you struggle terribly when it comes to basic comprehension of the world around you.

Due to your severe limitations, I will therefore give you a pass.

Name the American liberals of note who support female genital mutilation.

 

[jillian]

It's why the left hate English being the official language. A common language naturally unites people.

The left hates it because it's unnecessary, xenophobic, jingoistic, and fucking fascist. Besides that we love the idea.

Americans are too fucking lazy to even be bilingual like much of the world. You want seven billion people to speak your native language so you don't have to learn theirs. Fucking slobs.

. אתה רק ילד אבוד שנכשל להבשיל לתוך מבוגר

do you understand what you said or did you just copy it from the internet?

 

[jillian]

6. The multicultural project and the National History Standards were major ideological assaults on our nation’s mission, assimilation.



Besides an emphasis on group consciousness over individual citizenship, and on ethnic subcultures over national identity, the standards described the Cold War in terms of moral equivalence (e.g., the “sword play of the US and the USSR”) and actually reversed our history (“Americans believed in the perfectibility of man”). They rejected our traditions, and indoctrinated our children in beliefs inimical to the design of our nation.


Where was the belief and emphasis on equality of individual citizenship, strong American identity, anticommunism, and they faith of the Fathers of our Nation?


Substituted was the progressive utopianism of the Soviet-leaning Vice-President Henry Wallace. No wonder sentient Liberals such as Arthur Schlesinger, jr. launched vigorous attacks on multiculturalism in his book “The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society.”
Fonte, “Sovereignty of Submission,” p.79



Such is the explanation for the Democrat voters.

no. that is for normal, educated people.

are you sure you've ever taken a class in school?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You cannot create your own meaning for commonly defined terms.

Exactly. Equating American liberals to totalitarian thugs like Nazis(aka Fascist) and Communist dictators is disingenuous to the extent that it is a blatant lie.

Really?

Let's see....
Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


My gratitude for your help in proving that I never lie.

You're creating your own definition. Which is the lie.

Here:

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

Cato's Mission

"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
5. Peter Witonski, in his essay The Historical Roots of American Planning said: “Dewey was the first to argue that the world ‘liberal’—which once stood for liberal, free-market capitalism—could better serve the needs of social democracy in America than the world ‘socialism’.
   1. The liberalism of Adam Smith was out-of-date Dewey argued.” In his book Liberalism and Social Action, Dewey suggested that the goals of a free society could best be obtained “only by a reversal of the means to which early liberalism was committed.” But the means of liberalism were fundamentally connected to the basic premises of liberalism. A reversal of means, while keeping similar goals in mind, also changed the premises of liberalism. The “new wisdom” of Keynes with the “reversal of means” of Dewey really meant stealing the name of liberalism and applying it to another very different species. The famed economist Joseph Schumpeter noted that “the enemies of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.”
6. Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism. Right wing Hollywood - Rotten Tomatoes Forum

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Duh, people -- why can't you all get on board with PavlovPete and support those practicing gender slavery, anyway? Didn't you know that female genital mutilation, honor killings and arranged marriages between horny uncle Akhbar and little Fatima are now considered LIBERAL. It has to be liberal, right? I mean, all of Pete's little peeps say the exact same thing, and all of them will call you a fascist if you don't march in complete lockstep with them so it must be so.

Are you insane, or just putting on a show?

I have seen you on two different boards, and so understand that you struggle terribly when it comes to basic comprehension of the world around you.

Due to your severe limitations, I will therefore give you a pass.

Name the American liberals of note who support female genital mutilation.

No American Liberals do.

American leftists will routinely attack those who point out how it is so endemic to Islam, however. Neither you nor PavlovPetre are liberals. You are leftists.