The lie that when wages go up,jobs go down

[Preacher]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

 

[kaz]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does a business force someone to work for them? If they don't pay market wages, they don't get any employees. It's not possible for a business to underpay someone. People take the best offer. If your offer is not the best, you don't get them. If they do take your offer, that is your market wage.

Maybe what you're missing is that it's the total package. Maybe you have more skills than you're paid for. Just so you know, your employer is paying you less because of your crappy attitude towards them. You're lucky you have a job, if you have a job. Life is to short to be around people like you. And your coworkers know that too.

When I first fired someone I learned that. I gave the guy too many chances because I was afraid of my employees thinking I was going to start firing other people too. When I finally said no more chances and fired him, the rest of my employees said they wondered ... what took me so long. Your co-workers are stuck being around you all day. It's not fun

 

[dblack]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

 

[TheDude]

The OP explains he's cause and effect challenged, never mind his loss on logic.

I bet if he REALLY tried, he can find data demonstrating how tax increases don't impact employment opportunities as well.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

No shit the 82,000 plus coworkers in my life time, 81,096 milked the time clock and what ever.. Aka stole from their employers.



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[Preacher]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

 

[kaz]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

So why don't those workers take a better job if they are receiving below market wages for their market value?

 

[dblack]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

 

[kaz]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

He's not being consistent. All he's arguing is for constipated socialism. He doesn't know what he's saying beyond that

 

[Wyatt earp]

Column: The claim that if wages go up, jobs will go down is not a theory -- it's a scam

The results were clear: Of the nearly two dozen federal minimum wage hikes since 1938, total year-over-year employment actually increased 68 percent of the time.

Simple facts folks....its just MORE scare tactics by the RICH and regurgitated by their simpletons on the right.

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Dumbass - Wikipedia



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[dblack]

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

He's not being consistent. All he's arguing is for constipated socialism. He doesn't know what he's saying beyond that

I just notice his sig - WTF???

I guess that explains a lot.

 

[kaz]

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

He's not being consistent. All he's arguing is for constipated socialism. He doesn't know what he's saying beyond that

I just notice his sig - WTF???

I guess that explains a lot.

Yep. He's a nut job. I think you and I are asking the same question. How do you underpay someone when they would quit working for them if they don't pay you what you're worth, i.e., market rates? You'd go take a better offer. He's not rational enough to address the question

 

[TheDude]

Say OP, forced wage increases don't impact inflation as well. I'm a atheist liberal led to believe in fairy tales, and I approve this message.

 

[IcebergSlim]

You do know, don't you, that only by keeping the MW low enough that it's sustainable, right? Keep raising it slowly and by small increments and there's no immediate negative effects. Over time, however, they accumulate and are felt. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager run out to pump your gas, check your tires, water and oil any more?

Here's a clue. Notice that the MW continually increases, because inflation always eats it.

I'm thinking that the reason you don't have "teenagers running out to pump gas" is that

a) more teens are staying in school later

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

b) they would do so as a complement to their principal function - as apprentice mechanics in the attached garage...

Nope, they would do it to earn some money, get valuable generic work skills and work history.

but few gas stations continue to operate full service garages.....kids who want to go into that business need more formal training and certification, and when done, go to dealers, where the money is much better.

So, IOW, you're saying that the cost of hiring said teenagers is HIGHER than the cost of putting in self serve pumps and making drivers responsible for their own water, tires, and oil. That's the point, and the MW is part of that higher cost.

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

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Silly me......I forgot that demand for auto repairs was seasonal.....

But to demonstrate that it is "baloney", wouldn't it be helpful if you posted some evidence of the unchanging HS drop out rates and college entrance figures?

you know, like

HOLY CRAP! It has fallen by 66% in less than 20 years.

What about the percentage of HS kids going on to college?

Apparently the romance has gone out of spending a lifetime washing car windows....

 

[IcebergSlim]

The issue isn't wages going up, the issue is when they go up by government force, not market drivers. Your thread is a useless non-starter

Government is a necessary thing because greedy scum LOVE to steal as much labor for as little pay as possible.

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

He's not being consistent. All he's arguing is for constipated socialism. He doesn't know what he's saying beyond that

Oh geez, Kazinator.......

 

[owebo]

You do know, don't you, that only by keeping the MW low enough that it's sustainable, right? Keep raising it slowly and by small increments and there's no immediate negative effects. Over time, however, they accumulate and are felt. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager run out to pump your gas, check your tires, water and oil any more?

Here's a clue. Notice that the MW continually increases, because inflation always eats it.

I'm thinking that the reason you don't have "teenagers running out to pump gas" is that

a) more teens are staying in school later

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

b) they would do so as a complement to their principal function - as apprentice mechanics in the attached garage...

Nope, they would do it to earn some money, get valuable generic work skills and work history.

but few gas stations continue to operate full service garages.....kids who want to go into that business need more formal training and certification, and when done, go to dealers, where the money is much better.

So, IOW, you're saying that the cost of hiring said teenagers is HIGHER than the cost of putting in self serve pumps and making drivers responsible for their own water, tires, and oil. That's the point, and the MW is part of that higher cost.

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

​

Silly me......I forgot that demand for auto repairs was seasonal.....

But to demonstrate that it is "baloney", wouldn't it be helpful if you posted some evidence of the unchanging HS drop out rates and college entrance figures?

you know, like

HOLY CRAP! It has fallen by 66% in less than 20 years.

What about the percentage of HS kids going on to college?

Apparently the romance has gone out of spending a lifetime washing car windows....

Your propaganda is always amusing....thanks....

 

[IcebergSlim]

Say OP, forced wage increases don't impact inflation as well. I'm a atheist liberal led to believe in fairy tales, and I approve this message.

First you would have to understand the true meaning of "Inflation".....

 

[IcebergSlim]

You do know, don't you, that only by keeping the MW low enough that it's sustainable, right? Keep raising it slowly and by small increments and there's no immediate negative effects. Over time, however, they accumulate and are felt. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager run out to pump your gas, check your tires, water and oil any more?

Here's a clue. Notice that the MW continually increases, because inflation always eats it.

I'm thinking that the reason you don't have "teenagers running out to pump gas" is that

a) more teens are staying in school later

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

b) they would do so as a complement to their principal function - as apprentice mechanics in the attached garage...

Nope, they would do it to earn some money, get valuable generic work skills and work history.

but few gas stations continue to operate full service garages.....kids who want to go into that business need more formal training and certification, and when done, go to dealers, where the money is much better.

So, IOW, you're saying that the cost of hiring said teenagers is HIGHER than the cost of putting in self serve pumps and making drivers responsible for their own water, tires, and oil. That's the point, and the MW is part of that higher cost.

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

​

Silly me......I forgot that demand for auto repairs was seasonal.....

But to demonstrate that it is "baloney", wouldn't it be helpful if you posted some evidence of the unchanging HS drop out rates and college entrance figures?

you know, like

HOLY CRAP! It has fallen by 66% in less than 20 years.

What about the percentage of HS kids going on to college?

Apparently the romance has gone out of spending a lifetime washing car windows....

Your propaganda is always amusing....thanks....

And you know it's propaganda because it's got numbers in it, right?

 

[owebo]

You do know, don't you, that only by keeping the MW low enough that it's sustainable, right? Keep raising it slowly and by small increments and there's no immediate negative effects. Over time, however, they accumulate and are felt. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager run out to pump your gas, check your tires, water and oil any more?

Here's a clue. Notice that the MW continually increases, because inflation always eats it.

I'm thinking that the reason you don't have "teenagers running out to pump gas" is that

a) more teens are staying in school later

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

b) they would do so as a complement to their principal function - as apprentice mechanics in the attached garage...

Nope, they would do it to earn some money, get valuable generic work skills and work history.

but few gas stations continue to operate full service garages.....kids who want to go into that business need more formal training and certification, and when done, go to dealers, where the money is much better.

So, IOW, you're saying that the cost of hiring said teenagers is HIGHER than the cost of putting in self serve pumps and making drivers responsible for their own water, tires, and oil. That's the point, and the MW is part of that higher cost.

Baloney. Ever hear of weekends and summer?

​

Silly me......I forgot that demand for auto repairs was seasonal.....

But to demonstrate that it is "baloney", wouldn't it be helpful if you posted some evidence of the unchanging HS drop out rates and college entrance figures?

you know, like

HOLY CRAP! It has fallen by 66% in less than 20 years.

What about the percentage of HS kids going on to college?

Apparently the romance has gone out of spending a lifetime washing car windows....

Your propaganda is always amusing....thanks....

And you know it's propaganda because it's got numbers in it, right?

No child, because you don't even understand what it's saying, you just blindly parrot it...like a good Nazi I might add....

 

[IcebergSlim]

How does one 'steal' labor?

Wage theft - Wikipedia

Oh... ok. I thought you were referring to something more subtle. This really has nothing to do with minimum wage.

He's not being consistent. All he's arguing is for constipated socialism. He doesn't know what he's saying beyond that

I just notice his sig - WTF???

I guess that explains a lot.

Yep. He's a nut job. I think you and I are asking the same question. How do you underpay someone when they would quit working for them if they don't pay you what you're worth, i.e., market rates? You'd go take a better offer. He's not rational enough to address the question

"Assume a strong labor market."

I see that Kaz is back at work.....


Riddle me this, Kaz....

how would you characterize the Elasticity of Labor Supply?