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So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
The first priority is to put humans first and money well after. We can have faith in any system that does not worship power and lucre. We can have faith in any government that represents the people. We cannot have faith in the present system that is totally corrupted to its very "soul" by avarice.Any true conservative would be first in line to curb this corrupt and corrupting collusion. It has nothing to do with 'liberals' or being 'liberal' to see that the vast sums wielded by corporations subvert democracy.So let's fix that. If liberals proposed a frontal assault on eliminating collusion between financial interests and government, on getting rid of corporate welfare, instead of accepting it, they'd find many eager allies among conservatives and libertarians.It is definitely not a 'free market', it is a market rigged through the enormous power of unthinkable amounts of money manipulating the few governing agencies.
Umkay - you seem to be steering around my point. Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government? It's hard to put much faith in government until we tackle that, right?
Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government?The first priority is to put humans first and money well after. We can have faith in any system that does not worship power and lucre. We can have faith in any government that represents the people. We cannot have faith in the present system that is totally corrupted to its very "soul" by avarice.Any true conservative would be first in line to curb this corrupt and corrupting collusion. It has nothing to do with 'liberals' or being 'liberal' to see that the vast sums wielded by corporations subvert democracy.So let's fix that. If liberals proposed a frontal assault on eliminating collusion between financial interests and government, on getting rid of corporate welfare, instead of accepting it, they'd find many eager allies among conservatives and libertarians.It is definitely not a 'free market', it is a market rigged through the enormous power of unthinkable amounts of money manipulating the few governing agencies.
Umkay - you seem to be steering around my point. Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government? It's hard to put much faith in government until we tackle that, right?
No.Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government?The first priority is to put humans first and money well after. We can have faith in any system that does not worship power and lucre. We can have faith in any government that represents the people. We cannot have faith in the present system that is totally corrupted to its very "soul" by avarice.Any true conservative would be first in line to curb this corrupt and corrupting collusion. It has nothing to do with 'liberals' or being 'liberal' to see that the vast sums wielded by corporations subvert democracy.So let's fix that. If liberals proposed a frontal assault on eliminating collusion between financial interests and government, on getting rid of corporate welfare, instead of accepting it, they'd find many eager allies among conservatives and libertarians.It is definitely not a 'free market', it is a market rigged through the enormous power of unthinkable amounts of money manipulating the few governing agencies.
Umkay - you seem to be steering around my point. Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government? It's hard to put much faith in government until we tackle that, right?
No.Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government?The first priority is to put humans first and money well after. We can have faith in any system that does not worship power and lucre. We can have faith in any government that represents the people. We cannot have faith in the present system that is totally corrupted to its very "soul" by avarice.Any true conservative would be first in line to curb this corrupt and corrupting collusion. It has nothing to do with 'liberals' or being 'liberal' to see that the vast sums wielded by corporations subvert democracy.So let's fix that. If liberals proposed a frontal assault on eliminating collusion between financial interests and government, on getting rid of corporate welfare, instead of accepting it, they'd find many eager allies among conservatives and libertarians.
Umkay - you seem to be steering around my point. Do you agree that our first priority should be to curb the collusion between wealthy interests and government? It's hard to put much faith in government until we tackle that, right?
So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms. The subsidies are paid so we don't have to rely on China... so that when a global pandemic hits we aren't screwed.
Annoying when people pretend to not understand glaring distinctions.
So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Why is it these discussions are always filled with misguided, poorly considered, and downright ignorant POVs?
Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Why is it these discussions are always filled with misguided, poorly considered, and downright ignorant POVs?
Why do you seem to think that those two things are mutually exclusive?
Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Why is it these discussions are always filled with misguided, poorly considered, and downright ignorant POVs?
Why do you seem to think that those two things are mutually exclusive?
Because right wing tards shills will always support socialism for the rich, no matter how expensive and harmful it is, while sniveling about minimum wage and food stamps, which amounts to a drop in the bucket compared to Wall Street's subsidies and tax shelters. They think the GOP or the Kochs will eventually see their cognitively dissonant ass kissing and make their duaghters marry them and give them big companies to run n stuff.
Not confuse … amuse. I find online inanity humorous. Meanwhile you rightly castigated Gipper for his inanity.Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?This post is offensively dumb.
Only an idiot could confuse farm subsidies with socialism. Farm subsidies are given to make sure a country can produce food for itself. Socialism is an ideology of total government control, and the pact between the low classes and government to obliterate everyone else.
Even Gator for sure understands the difference even though pretends to be dumb in every instance it is possible.
Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Yes. Why does this confuse you?
Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Yeah, I don't agree with your "everybody owes me" POV but I do appreciate how passionately you believe it. You did manage to hit pretty much every lame, knee-jerk socialist talking point - including but not limited to "Ayn Rand the boogie man" so … congratulations.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
It seems you have concluded Plutocrats, their greed and exploitation of labor, have not created the greatest divide of wealth since the Gilded Age. Using Ayn Rand as anything more than a kook nearly made me LOL and mess my screen with coffee.
Government on all levels grows along with the growth of population, and the tides of change.
We agree, Home Land Security in reaction to 9-11 was a desperate solution to a White House shaken; Bush&Co. knew they had to do something or be seen as incompetent. Two decades later we still need to take off our shoes and wait in long lines to enter a commercial aircraft.
Obama and the Democrats understood that health care costs had risen every year for decades, and that too many people lost their homes and nest eggs when seriously ill or injured, & if they
needed surgery along with long term care. Some lost their jobs and health insurance, and some of them had preexisting condition and no longer could buy health insurance; & the cost of drugs necessary to keep diabetics, cardiac and cancer patients, etc. were too expensive.
Of course Medicare was demeaned as Socialism in the 60's, HRC was demeaned when she was put in charge of Healthcare reform, and the misogynists screamed holy hell; and once again, when reform was discussed the Medical Pharmaceutical Complex screamed Socialism, and the GOP established the Tea Party.
Then the GOP had the audacity as to claim the current Tax Bill (Passed by a lame duck H. or Rep. in 2017) claimed it was a tax reform aiding the Middle Class. A total load of bullshit.
Seriously though, what is inane about the observation that the government is both controlled by wealthy interests, and calling the shots via regulation? That's why the wealthy interests want to control it in the first place.Not confuse … amuse. I find online inanity humorous. Meanwhile you rightly castigated Gipper for his inanity.Wait … haven't you been whining that gov't is controlled by super-wealthy interests? Now you claim the gov't is calling the shots?Farm subsides are used by the government to control what is grown, how much is grown and what the price to the consumer is.
Can you think of another program by the Fed Gvot that has that much control over production and distribution?
They can think of many in Venezuela.
The government does not own the farms.
The government doesn't need technical ownership to control something. If government is footing the bill, government is calling the shots.
Yes. Why does this confuse you?
In islam you shouldn't amass billions of dollars and be giving a pass. That's what savage capitalism is in the US....islam at its Pick they couldn't find poor people to give zagat to at one point.Socialism is just Communism lite. ....
