The next president of the United States

Bernie Sanders will talk about paid leave, amd universe healthcare, and public college, and student loan forgiveness, and addressing poverty and income.

Cackle all you want about socialism and communism, people like these ideas.
 
Again --- what does that even mean, to "join a party"?

If one runs as, in this case, a "Republican", that means they got the endorsement of the Republican Party. That's all it means. It tells us nothing about the candidate personally.
Trump was running in 2000 as a Reform Party candidate.
Donald Trump 2000 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

And he made a show about "leaving the Republican Party" to do that. Even though it wasn't necessary.
 
The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago .
That doesn't mean that it won't come back.
Russia is a capitalist country now. They wanted to join NATO and we wouldn't let them.
Why do people fall so hard for all this obvious propaganda pouring out for 2 years non-stop ?
Putin to Oliver Stone: I suggested Russia joining NATO to Clinton, he ‘didn’t mind’
Russia isn’t the Soviet Union.
Right, Putin just wants it to be.
 
The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago .
That doesn't mean that it won't come back.
Russia is a capitalist country now. They wanted to join NATO and we wouldn't let them.
Why do people fall so hard for all this obvious propaganda pouring out for 2 years non-stop ?
Putin to Oliver Stone: I suggested Russia joining NATO to Clinton, he ‘didn’t mind’
Russia isn’t the Soviet Union.
Right, Putin just wants it to be.

Uncle Pooty is a lot like America's Honest Abe. They both want to keep their unions together.Putin is thought to be a tyrant by his opponents, John W. Booth et al had a similar negative opinion of Lincoln.
 
The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago .
That doesn't mean that it won't come back.
Russia is a capitalist country now. They wanted to join NATO and we wouldn't let them.
Why do people fall so hard for all this obvious propaganda pouring out for 2 years non-stop ?
Putin to Oliver Stone: I suggested Russia joining NATO to Clinton, he ‘didn’t mind’
Russia isn’t the Soviet Union.
Right, Putin just wants it to be.

Uncle Pooty is a lot like America's Honest Abe. They both want to keep their unions together.Putin is thought to be a tyrant by his opponents, John W. Booth et al had a negative opinion of Lincoln.
That's nice . And , while you guys who have your votes decided already yesterday are squawking about that, Bernie will be talking about universal health care and public college.
 
The Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago .
That doesn't mean that it won't come back.
Russia is a capitalist country now. They wanted to join NATO and we wouldn't let them.
Why do people fall so hard for all this obvious propaganda pouring out for 2 years non-stop ?
Putin to Oliver Stone: I suggested Russia joining NATO to Clinton, he ‘didn’t mind’
Russia isn’t the Soviet Union.
Right, Putin just wants it to be.

Uncle Pooty is a lot like America's Honest Abe. They both want to keep their unions together.Putin is thought to be a tyrant by his opponents, John W. Booth et al had a negative opinion of Lincoln.
That's nice . And , while you guys who have your votes decided already yesterday are squawking about that, Bernie will be talking about universal health care and public college.


Sen. Sanders "Medicare for All" proposal is a crime against humanity, FFI. Were you aware that the proposal would actually OUTLAW private health insurance or private contracts between health providers and patients for medical care?

If the Death Panels assigned you a Quack, Sanders' plan is to tell you "tough shit". You can't arrange to see a decent, competent doctor or surgeon, even at your own expense.

Of course, politically well connected people, like the Sanders family, would get great, taxpayer paid care, but if you are on the outs, you get shit.
 
Sen. Sanders "Medicare for All" proposal is a crime against humanity, FFI. Were you aware that the proposal would actually OUTLAW private health insurance or private contracts between health providers and patients for medical care?

If the Death Panels assigned you a Quack, Sanders' plan is to tell you "tough shit". You can't arrange to see a decent, competent doctor or surgeon, even at your own expense.

Of course, politically well connected people, like the Sanders family, would get great, taxpayer paid care, but if you are on the outs, you get shit.
^Insurance lobbyist lies. ^

 
Will be Bernie Sanders.
Here he is in Iowa last week already gathering momentum for
an election that's still 20 months away.



You can talk about Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump all you want, but they don't have what Bernie has....a real enthusiastic following. My biggest hope right now as far as the 2020 election is the he picks Tulsi Gabbard to be VP.

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Which makes sense. If next cycle Joe Biden says "I'm now running as a republican" with no change to his platforms, I'd hope the Republicans pushed him out the door too. But that's my opinion. You want the party nomination, join the party.

Again --- what does that even mean, to "join a party"?

If one runs as, in this case, a "Republican", that means they got the endorsement of the Republican Party. That's all it means. It tells us nothing about the candidate personally.

Well parties have platforms. For example if Hillary kept her ideals and said "I'm running for the rep
Which makes sense. If next cycle Joe Biden says "I'm now running as a republican" with no change to his platforms, I'd hope the Republicans pushed him out the door too. But that's my opinion. You want the party nomination, join the party.

Again --- what does that even mean, to "join a party"?

If one runs as, in this case, a "Republican", that means they got the endorsement of the Republican Party. That's all it means. It tells us nothing about the candidate personally.

No it doesn't tell you completely about them personally. But my thought is if you want to run for their party you should be a member. If you want to be an independent then run as an independent.

I just think if you aren't willing to join the party through your political career, then if they don't welcome you with open arms to win their nomination that's okay to me.

I've still got no answer on what it means to "join" a party. To register in their name, that's it? What's the point?

Absolutely true, the party is going to nominate who it wants to nominate, and the "primaries" are bread and circus to make it look like a real thing. But that's all it is --- a cartel. You get two subcartels, one red, one blue, and they control everything. Go outside the cartel, you go nowhere. Think of the two together as a Mob. It may feel nice and idealistic to fantasize about breaking the system from the outside but it's not gonna happen in the real world as long as Duopoly rules. Therefore you run red or you run blue, and those are your only choices. Regardless of anybody's ideals.

Well one is to say "in this election I will be opposing your parties candidates"

And if you want to run blue then run blue. Don't run to beat the guy running blue, then decide that is the group you want to join for your political gain as you choose. That's it.

Or in Sanders case run as a Dem, then decline the nomination to ensure they can't field a candidate to oppose you in the election.

I just am fine if the party you run against to keep out of an election doesn't want you using their party when it suits you.

I'm afraid that IS the only function of a political party. It's the horse you ride to get to the office.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.

It doesn't mean anything ideologically --- it means "what will work in this time and place". That's why mayors like Frank Rizzo and Ray Nagin ran as Democrats .... they knew if you're going to run a city that's the only way you get elected. That's simply practical, nothing to do with ideologies. That's why Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms and Richard Shelby and Trent Lott et al jumped from Democrat to Republican. Same people with the same ideologies, jumping to a different horse because the odds had changed.

I keep bringing up the example of the sheriff in my town. In different years he runs as a Democrat or as a Republican, depending on whichever way he thinks the winds are blowing. Same guy doing the same job in the same way.

This is step one to overthrowing the Duopoly --- to be honest about what it IS. What it is NOT is anything "ideological". It's a racket, with the goal of attaining Power. I think the more we exalt them with this cockamamie idea that "Democrat" or "Republican" somehow mean something "pure", the longer the Duopoly stays entrenched.

And what I'm saying is if you're going to ride the horse to defeat the other primary candidates from that party then reject the nomination, and run as an independent without Democrat party opposition, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't really support you.

Those characters like Strom who jumped party did so because of the shift in political stances of the two parties. When they believed that Democrats were abandoning the southern conservative stance, they tried the dixiecrat thing to get back to their roots, and when the Republicans stepped in, to align more with their ideology they first started campaigning with them and then some even joined them.
 
It'll be interesting to watch this. We'll get a pretty good idea of how far Left the party has moved.

The Democrats could still end up keeping the Regressives under control and run a more moderate candidate.
When the truth about the crooked Clinton campaign makes real headlines soon, then you'll see Bernie's momentum shift into high gear.

Huh ? You realize we are in 2019, not 2016 ?
 
The next President of the United States is already sitting in the White House.

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That he is and I doubt any Dem even gets to first base.

Those running so far don't look all that good. Most of them are backing AOC's green crap which if implemented would bankrupt the country. Anyone with a working brain cell knows this yet those idiots are backing her crap.

Ain't to bright.
 
The next President of the United States is already sitting in the White House.

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That he is and I doubt any Dem even gets to first base.

Those running so far don't look all that good. Most of them are backing AOC's green crap which if implemented would bankrupt the country. Anyone with a working brain cell knows this yet those idiots are backing her crap.

Ain't to bright.


The Democrat Party is hoping that a small enough percentage of the electorate doesn't have a working brain cell.

That's the reason for pushing to allow 16 year kids to vote. Increase the percentage of Low-Information voters
 
It'll be interesting to watch this. We'll get a pretty good idea of how far Left the party has moved.

The Democrats could still end up keeping the Regressives under control and run a more moderate candidate.
When the truth about the crooked Clinton campaign makes real headlines soon, then you'll see Bernie's momentum shift into high gear.

Huh ? You realize we are in 2019, not 2016 ?
Most Americans don't know the truth about the 2016 primaries because the MSM was complicit in choosing Hillary over Bernie and they've kept a lid on it. People love underdogs and they hate cheaters.
 

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