The Nordic model is widely regarded as a benchmark.

[Natural Citizen]

Here's that "more so" I was referring too.

He lost me at lizard people. lol.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Where the heck's Tehon at, Tehon, get over here, man.

Tehon's actually a cool dude, believe it or not, he's a Marxist and all, and that's okay, because he's honest about it. I wanna see what he has to say. About the Nordic model, I mean.

 

[Theowl32]

Do the Nordic countries have a problem with millions of Mexicans and South Americans crossing their borders and taking advantage of free stuff?

Actually Sweden is overrun by 3rd world Muslims now, which they invited because the people growing up on government services think the services are truly free and thus it's racist to not offer them to everyone. Their experiment won't be lasting much longer.

Yes, and of course that is being left out of the equation when the left push the Nordic utopia on us.

I think even with that influx of muslims, it pales in comparison to the numbers of illegals coming here.

 

[JoeB131]

He lost me at lizard people. lol.

Why, it's no crazier than the shit you spew.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Why, it's no crazier than the shit you spew.

Now, Joe, that's not a very nice thing to say. I think that if you take some initiative to study monetary policy and economic theory that you'll be the better for it. Keynesians aren't lizards, Joe. They're Keynesians.

 

[Theowl32]

The myth of the Nordic socialist utopia.

 

[Pete7469]

Where the heck's Tehon at, Tehon, get over here, man.

Tehon's actually a cool dude, believe it or not, he's a Marxist and all, and that's okay, because he's honest about it. I wanna see what he has to say. About the Nordic model, I mean.

Considering he is a leftist, he isn't stupid like the rest of these bed wetters.

He's wrong about almost everything, but he isn't stupid, I'll give him that.

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[JoeB131]

Why, it's no crazier than the shit you spew.

Now, Joe, that's not a very nice thing to say. I think that if you take some initiative to study monetary policy and economic theory that you'll be the better for it. Keynesians aren't lizards, Joe. They're Keynesians.

I have studied it. The Keynesians are essentially right. The Keynesians created a middle class and made us the most powerful country in the world.

And then the Libertarian/Supply Side nuts fucked it all up.

 

[Pete7469]

Why, it's no crazier than the shit you spew.

Now, Joe, that's not a very nice thing to say. I think that if you take some initiative to study monetary policy and economic theory that you'll be the better for it. Keynesians aren't lizards, Joe. They're Keynesians.

If Joe says something nice about you, proof read your post because you likely left out a "not" or something came out as the opposite of factually accurate...

 

[Natural Citizen]

Where the heck's Tehon at, Tehon, get over here, man.

Tehon's actually a cool dude, believe it or not, he's a Marxist and all, and that's okay, because he's honest about it. I wanna see what he has to say. About the Nordic model, I mean.

Considering he is a leftist, he isn't stupid like the rest of these bed wetters.

He's wrong about almost everything, but he isn't stupid, I'll give him that.

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Yeah. I've agreed with him elsewhere on the board. If he could knock that chip off his shoulder, he might invite some functional debate. Heck, I actually get along better with lefties, truth be told. At least they're intellectually honest about being statist. I can appreciate intellectual honesty. Heck, I get more peeved at my so-called conservative peers. A lot of em are just as statist, more so in many cases, than the lefties, except my conservative peers try to pretend othewise. But I digress.

Thing about Joe is that he's unprepared. Not that he's stupid.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I have studied it.

No, you haven't. I can tell.

It's okay, though, Joe. My view on it is that it's more practical that people repeat the term rather than debate it. And that's the gosh darned truth, man.

Just put the napkin on the table and leave the hard work for us.

 

[Tehon]

Where the heck's Tehon at, Tehon, get over here, man.

Tehon's actually a cool dude, believe it or not, he's a Marxist and all, and that's okay, because he's honest about it. I wanna see what he has to say. About the Nordic model, I mean.

The Nordic model is essentially managed capitalism. Managed in a particular way to suppress the worst excesses of unrestrained capitalism. It recognizes a healthy society as being a prerequisite for the promotion to all in the society of the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

I think that it is fine for a period, certainly better than what we have here, but unsustainable in the long run.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Kicking people out of the hammock is an entirely different concept. For all these bed wetters who insist the swedes or whoever is "doing communism right", I say, wait till we turn over the NATO hammock. When the US subsidizes your entire military defense, don't try and pretend you're making ends meet. It's international welfare, and the globalists love it.

Yawn, the thing is, we don't spend huge amounts of money on NATO, we spend them propping up Zionism and wasting it on expensive military contracts. The Europeans realize this is a waste of money and they don't bother with it.

Libertarians are not some heartless mob that demands a zero tax rate, we want a government that operates efficiently and isn't wasting money keeping hordes of people in squalid ghettoes with no ambition or even ability to escape. Quite the opposite, we want as many people to prosper as possible. That improves the bottom line across the board. At the current rate Cloward -Piven has us on, the government will be bankrupted. Then the checks stop, and that's where society breaks down and social revolution happens. Leftists WANT it to happen.

They just don't understand how completely they will be defeated.

Actually, you are delusional. If we distributed the wealth evenly, everyone would be middle class.

As much as I hate to agree with Stormy Mac on much of anything, because the guy is a noxious turd, the current welfare system DOES prevent social revolution.

You have 40% of the population that owns less than 1% of the wealth. The PITTANCE we spend on welfare programs keeps those people from being a lot less angry and desperate.

We spend more on Corporate welfare than social welfare

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Ain't this the truth!

 

[Natural Citizen]

Where the heck's Tehon at, Tehon, get over here, man.

Tehon's actually a cool dude, believe it or not, he's a Marxist and all, and that's okay, because he's honest about it. I wanna see what he has to say. About the Nordic model, I mean.

The Nordic model is essentially managed capitalism. Managed in a particular way to suppress the worst excesses of unrestrained capitalism. It recognizes a healthy society as being a prerequisite for the promotion to all in the society of the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

I think that it is fine for a period, certainly better than what we have here, but unsustainable in the long run.

Yeah. That's often the shared view on it. As I said, even in right-wing tanks. I agree to your point with regard to its unsustainability. It's already being observed, depending on what stats we're reading.

There was a book I read about the Nordic model. I forget who wrote it. Nordic Utopia something or another, I don't remember. I read it and then I put it in the Goodwill bin.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Benito Mussolini wasnt that bad

Ha. Sure, they could have some unimportant freedoms under Benito. They could own property, for example. Just so long as the collective didn't need that property.

you think the rich should have all the rights, i think we should just kill them all , and then we all would be free of them

Come at me bro.....

 

[JoeB131]

Thing about Joe is that he's unprepared. Not that he's stupid

I'm better educated than you are and not crazy like you are.

Look out, the Lizard People in the Fed might get you.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Debunking Utopia: Exposing the Myth of Nordic Socialism. That was the book. I had to go look.

There's another one entitled The Nordic Gender Equality Paradox, I didn't buy that one, though, so dunno what's in it.

 

[2aguy]

A number of comparative studies of economic and social performance have ranked the Nordics high. A common finding of cross-country comparisons is that the Nordics succeed better than other countries in combining economic efficiency and growth with a peaceful labour market, a fair distribution of income and social cohesion. The model is pointed to as a source of inspiration for other people in their search for a better social and economic system. On the other hand, many observers around the world are amazed that “the bumble-bee can fly” – that the Nordic economies can prosper and grow in spite of the presumably weak economic incentives associated with high tax wedges, a generous social security system and an egalitarian distribution of income. Critics have been looking for inner contradictions in the model and they have questioned its sustainability. Some argue that the economic performance of the Nordic countries is simply a result of exceptional and temporary advantages, bound to disappear over time. This report deals with the Nordic model, the reasons why it has worked in the past, and the challenges it is being subjected to in the future. Present economic and social trends, including globalization and demographic change, pose significant challenges to the model as we know it. The model will remain viable and successful only if the challenges and the need for reform are understood – and if action is taken. THE NORDIC MODEL Embracing globalization and sharing risks Torben M. Andersen, Bengt Holmström, Seppo Honkapohja, Sixten Korkman, Hans Tson Söderström, Juhana Vartiainen

They don't have to spend any money on their national defense....they expect us to protect them...allowing them to have a hugely expensive social welfare state.

They are not creating or building anything of any importance to the world...again, that is left to the U.S. and the Nordic countries simply sit their and benefit from our innovation.......

If you are tiny country, with a homogenous population, allowing a foriegn country to provide for you national defense and all of your technological and medical innovation...sure...you could almost say your country works........

 

[JoeB131]

No, you haven't. I can tell.

It's okay, though, Joe. My view on it is that it's more practical that people repeat the term rather than debate it. And that's the gosh darned truth, man.

Just put the napkin on the table and leave the hard work for us.

Guy, The "Natural Citizen" movement are nutters, not a real force. Sorry.

I like living in a civilized society with government and infrastructure.

 

[Rustic]

Why, it's no crazier than the shit you spew.

Now, Joe, that's not a very nice thing to say. I think that if you take some initiative to study monetary policy and economic theory that you'll be the better for it. Keynesians aren't lizards, Joe. They're Keynesians.

I have studied it. The Keynesians are essentially right. The Keynesians created a middle class and made us the most powerful country in the world.

And then the Libertarian/Supply Side nuts fucked it all up.

Lol
Keynesians are fucking morons, All they care about is controlling other people they disagree with... so shut the fuck up