The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[testarosa]

If you look at the map "toward back entrance" is right by dad's. I should figure this out in my own mind instead of spewing on the thread. Lol

Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[dilloduck]

blah blah...i hope he does 50 years for killing Martin.

My opinion and my hope. We will all see. I am willing to go with whatever decision the courts deem fair. Are you? Will we hear how unfair it all is when he is found guilty?

of course

 

[jon_berzerk]

--LOL

i have fallen victim to

too many zimmerman threads

--LOL

 

[testarosa]

I just want to yell "FOUL!" on this whole thing. Everybody knows, everybody has an opinion, it's impossible to determine who has an agenda, who is lying and who is on the up and up with any accuracy.

This is an impossible feat. It's not fair.

They need to file change of venue.

To where, though? This thing has been all over the national news. Where are they going to go that everyone doesn't have an opinion about it?

that is pretty much the question omara asked today

in his presser


he found it odd that so many possible jurors right there in the area

are unfamiliar with the case

Well they were lying.

All of Florida had heard and slightly better demographics in Seminole than other places, so I withdraw my vent about about change of venue, but not the one about "fair trial". The president saying the victim could be his son on national tv screwed that goat.

 

[jon_berzerk]

If you look at the map "toward back entrance" is right by dad's. I should figure this out in my own mind instead of spewing on the thread. Lol

Move along, nothing to see here.

there are google maps of the area

with various markings on it

 

[testarosa]

I'll go check the map / back exit /dad's house tomorrow when I can read again.

Thanks guys!

Night.

 

[25Caliber]

yes he came back today had to be removed for trespassing

Hey Jon, whats up buddy? Hey which juror was that...was it the restaurant manager one?

everything is good worked late then yard work --LOL

it was juror E7

he was the one busted for posting some stuff on facebook

Dismissed juror returns to court, is escorted out
A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.
Juror E-7 was dismissed Wednesday after it was discovered that he bashed the Sanford Police Department on Facebook in support of Trayvon Martin.

The dismissed juror, identified as Jerry P. Counelis, 56, was surrounded by several law enforcement officers Friday. He was given a trespass warning and ordered not to come back to the courthouse until after the trial.

George Zimmerman trial: Frye hearing resumes Monday afternoon | News 13

you can read his posting here

» Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

Oh yes...I remember that guy...he was busted by the judge...hilarious. What a nut.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Hey Jon, whats up buddy? Hey which juror was that...was it the restaurant manager one?

everything is good worked late then yard work --LOL

it was juror E7

he was the one busted for posting some stuff on facebook

Dismissed juror returns to court, is escorted out
A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.
Juror E-7 was dismissed Wednesday after it was discovered that he bashed the Sanford Police Department on Facebook in support of Trayvon Martin.

The dismissed juror, identified as Jerry P. Counelis, 56, was surrounded by several law enforcement officers Friday. He was given a trespass warning and ordered not to come back to the courthouse until after the trial.

George Zimmerman trial: Frye hearing resumes Monday afternoon | News 13

you can read his posting here

» Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

Oh yes...I remember that guy...he was busted by the judge...hilarious. What a nut.

unhinged

hope they can weed out any other stealth jurors

 

[25Caliber]

blah blah...i hope he does 50 years for killing Martin.

My opinion and my hope. We will all see. I am willing to go with whatever decision the courts deem fair. Are you? Will we hear how unfair it all is when he is found guilty?

You arent offering much...you are replying to nobody and I doubt you are even reading what people write...you appear as the racist with your mind made up...just my take.

 

[Kooshdakhaa]

i am not sure what you are trying to say

zimmerman did not have a head start

you can darn near walk across a street and across the width of a house in that time

let alone running it

as for martin and going home

witness 11 (girlfriend) said that martin was by his dads house

and this is when the phone fell out of his hand

if so how did his phone and his body end up eighty yards away

No no no. On the call to non emergency Z says paraphrased "he's running, I don't see him he's running toward the back entrance"

So TM has a head start in the direction of his dads house and is out of Z's sight.. Z is huffing like he's following but he doesnt see him. You can hear the indecision in his voice, "tell them to meet me at the mailboxes... (Changes mind to see if he can find where TM went who still is doing the start on running toward dad ..in rain) wait give them my number so I can tell them where to meet me - he's changed his mind there from mailbox meeting to he's going to see if he can see where he went. So my question and brick wall there is, why didnt TM keep on going to his dads? He could have been there.

Apparently (WW) he stopped (in the rain) and took/made another call to his GF in the middle of this running.

This whole behavior thing doesn't make sense (in the rain) to me.

Just hanging around in the rain, making calls, guy checking me out, rain, running from guy, stopping in rain, knowing guy is "following" me, another call. I'd have ran my ass home (rain and guy following me) .

I don't know... It doesn't make any sense to me unless someone is looking for some trouble. Don't jump on me for "looking for trouble", I'm trying to figure out why the hell this part of what happened is so bizarre. It's not what I would do.

nor I but projecting our own feelings into this case is exactly why it's so bizarre. Huffing can also mean he's nervous. It doesn't mean he is running or even in a hurry.

If he was huffing because he was so nervous, why didn't he just get back in his fucking truck and wait for the police to get there. Because he was trying to be a hero, take down the kid who he had made a prejudiced determination must be a punk up to no good. Well, he was out of line. Take him out of the equation and Trayvon Martin would have gotten home safely with his Skittles and tea. Overzealous asshole wasn't even on duty and he's stalking people.

 

[Kooshdakhaa]

The first two are while Martin is on the street and before running.

The second two are not asking for an assist (as in follow the person to keep an eye on them) they are asking for which way the individual left from the location Zimmerman was at. They were not a request to follow. Especially since the dispatcher had told him specifically they did not need him to follow.


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three and four certainly are

the questions are seeking information from zimmerman

as to what martin is doing where he is going

That's only dispatcher side. Z said he's running and he doesn't see him anymore and he's running toward the back entrance (where dads house is).

I may be just stupid and missing it so help me... Why didn't he just run to dads and be in the house?

Did he wait? I don't believe Z could have "overtaken" him, did Z cut him off? What happened at the end of that call when TM had lead?

Sorry, I'm stuck here, if someone can give me a logical I'll get off it and move on.

Maybe he didn't want to lead the bad guy who was following him to his house where his family was. Maybe he didn't want to endanger his family by allowing this asshole who is stalking him to see where he lives.

 

[Snookie]

I am inclined to believe a good portion of Zimmermans story because he is not going to say something in the interrogation room and at the scene the next that could possibly be dubunked by a neighbor who may have saw. We know of at least one neighbor that actually came out in the middle of it....the one that called police.

I still think a lot is being made of less relevant details. It all comes down to who can claim self defense first, imo. Whoever establishes that--wins.

the state has no evidence to prove their case. It's purely a political show trial.

Only a dead body who can't testify.

Forensics may hang Z.

 

[Snookie]

blah blah...i hope he does 50 years for killing Martin.

My opinion and my hope. We will all see. I am willing to go with whatever decision the courts deem fair. Are you? Will we hear how unfair it all is when he is found guilty?

You arent offering much...you are replying to nobody and I doubt you are even reading what people write...you appear as the racist with your mind made up...just my take.

Crypto racist calling someone else a racist.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Apparently (WW) he stopped (in the rain) and took/made another call to his GF in the middle of this running.

This whole behavior thing doesn't make sense (in the rain) to me.

Just hanging around in the rain, making calls, guy checking me out, rain, running from guy, stopping in rain, knowing guy is "following" me, another call. I'd have ran my ass home (rain and guy following me) .

testarosa,

Incorrect.


WW (me) is the one that keeps pointing out the mistake many posters are making. Martin did not stop to make a phone call. He made no outbound calls during the events.

He received one inbound call during the events and that was back on Twin Trees Lane (the timing of which was when they were near the clubhouse). Phone records show that inbound call at approximately 19:12 and it lasted for 4-minutes. The dispatcher call ended at approximately 19:15 and the Witness #8 call ended at approximately 19:16. The police arrived at approximately 19:17.

Martin was on the phone prior to running from the stranger following him in his vehicle.


BTW - It may have been a rainy evening, but it does not appear to have been raining heavily at the time of the event. You can see in news footage that police are not wearing any rain gear. Zimmerman was taken into custody, handcuffed, and placed in the police cruiser - look at his jacket, it's not even wet. It may have been a lite spit that night, but it doesn't appear to have been a down pour rain.



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[WorldWatcher]

i am not sure what you are trying to say

zimmerman did not have a head start

you can darn near walk across a street and across the width of a house in that time

let alone running it

as for martin and going home

witness 11 (girlfriend) said that martin was by his dads house

and this is when the phone fell out of his hand

if so how did his phone and his body end up eighty yards away

The girlfriend is Witness #8.

Here is a link to the interviews -->> Witness #8 Files: Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman Case | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles


Can you provide us with a time stamp to what you claim?



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sorry it is getting late

Morning.

This would be appreciated.


WW


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[testarosa]

Apparently (WW) he stopped (in the rain) and took/made another call to his GF in the middle of this running.

This whole behavior thing doesn't make sense (in the rain) to me.

Just hanging around in the rain, making calls, guy checking me out, rain, running from guy, stopping in rain, knowing guy is "following" me, another call. I'd have ran my ass home (rain and guy following me) .

testarosa,

Incorrect.


WW (me) is the one that keeps pointing out the mistake many posters are making. Martin did not stop to make a phone call. He made no outbound calls during the events.

He received one inbound call during the events and that was back on Twin Trees Lane (the timing of which was when they were near the clubhouse). Phone records show that inbound call at approximately 19:12 and it lasted for 4-minutes. The dispatcher call ended at approximately 19:15 and the Witness #8 call ended at approximately 19:16. The police arrived at approximately 19:17.

Martin was on the phone prior to running from the stranger following him in his vehicle.


BTW - It may have been a rainy evening, but it does not appear to have been raining heavily at the time of the event. You can see in news footage that police are not wearing any rain gear. Zimmerman was taken into custody, handcuffed, and placed in the police cruiser - look at his jacket, it's not even wet. It may have been a lite spit that night, but it doesn't appear to have been a down pour rain.



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Ok. Thanks for clearing that up, I have work that timing into my imaginary scenario.

Laughing out loud at Floridians and "rain gear". We don't own such a thing or umbrellas. You know the saying about Florida, wait 10 minutes. We don't usually have "light rain" we have 10 to 20 minute full out ball busting.

 

[legaleagle_45]

He received one inbound call during the events and that was back on Twin Trees Lane (the timing of which was when they were near the clubhouse). Phone records show that inbound call at approximately 19:12 and it lasted for 4-minutes. The dispatcher call ended at approximately 19:15 and the Witness #8 call ended at approximately 19:16. The police arrived at approximately 19:17.
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Hi WW

You seem to have a pretty good grasp upon the intricacies of the evidence. I tried to stay up with the facts but got discouraged by the intense emotions associated with this case by both sides. You point out something like "the dispatcher never told Zimmerman to stay in his car" and all of a sudden you are a racist bigot. For me I believe the most important issues will be what happened 9:15 and 9:17 and will wait and see what the evidence is at trial..

However, and with that said, IIRC there was some concern that the time stamps for the cell calls do not match the time stamps for the police dispatch calls... That the timing of the phone call with Witness 8 may have been skewed by a minute or two. Does your rendition of the timing resolve that issue?

 

[Zona]

It's great how we get to hear zimmermans story. Right from his mouth. I wonder if he will say martin initiated the fight.

Well Martin did initiate the fight. Whats the issue?

Martin profiled Zimmerman? Martin called the cops on Zimmerman? Martin followed Zimmerman?

How the hell do you know who initiated the fight? Because ZIMMERMAN said so?

Give me a break.

 

[Zona]

Apparently (WW) he stopped (in the rain) and took/made another call to his GF in the middle of this running.

This whole behavior thing doesn't make sense (in the rain) to me.

Just hanging around in the rain, making calls, guy checking me out, rain, running from guy, stopping in rain, knowing guy is "following" me, another call. I'd have ran my ass home (rain and guy following me) .

testarosa,

Incorrect.


WW (me) is the one that keeps pointing out the mistake many posters are making. Martin did not stop to make a phone call. He made no outbound calls during the events.

He received one inbound call during the events and that was back on Twin Trees Lane (the timing of which was when they were near the clubhouse). Phone records show that inbound call at approximately 19:12 and it lasted for 4-minutes. The dispatcher call ended at approximately 19:15 and the Witness #8 call ended at approximately 19:16. The police arrived at approximately 19:17.

Martin was on the phone prior to running from the stranger following him in his vehicle.


BTW - It may have been a rainy evening, but it does not appear to have been raining heavily at the time of the event. You can see in news footage that police are not wearing any rain gear. Zimmerman was taken into custody, handcuffed, and placed in the police cruiser - look at his jacket, it's not even wet. It may have been a lite spit that night, but it doesn't appear to have been a down pour rain.



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Ok. Thanks for clearing that up, I have work that timing into my imaginary scenario.

Laughing out loud at Floridians and "rain gear". We don't own such a thing or umbrellas. You know the saying about Florida, wait 10 minutes. We don't usually have "light rain" we have 10 to 20 minute full out ball busting.

You're Not kidding. I learned all about this in boot camp in Orlando. I never saw anything like it. Every day, it rained at the same time for 15 minutes. Poured...then ten minutes later, you couldn't tell it rained at all.

Weird damn place.

 

[Zona]

No no no. On the call to non emergency Z says paraphrased "he's running, I don't see him he's running toward the back entrance"

So TM has a head start in the direction of his dads house and is out of Z's sight.. Z is huffing like he's following but he doesnt see him. You can hear the indecision in his voice, "tell them to meet me at the mailboxes... (Changes mind to see if he can find where TM went who still is doing the start on running toward dad ..in rain) wait give them my number so I can tell them where to meet me - he's changed his mind there from mailbox meeting to he's going to see if he can see where he went. So my question and brick wall there is, why didnt TM keep on going to his dads? He could have been there.

Apparently (WW) he stopped (in the rain) and took/made another call to his GF in the middle of this running.

This whole behavior thing doesn't make sense (in the rain) to me.

Just hanging around in the rain, making calls, guy checking me out, rain, running from guy, stopping in rain, knowing guy is "following" me, another call. I'd have ran my ass home (rain and guy following me) .

I don't know... It doesn't make any sense to me unless someone is looking for some trouble. Don't jump on me for "looking for trouble", I'm trying to figure out why the hell this part of what happened is so bizarre. It's not what I would do.

nor I but projecting our own feelings into this case is exactly why it's so bizarre. Huffing can also mean he's nervous. It doesn't mean he is running or even in a hurry.

If he was huffing because he was so nervous, why didn't he just get back in his fucking truck and wait for the police to get there. Because he was trying to be a hero, take down the kid who he had made a prejudiced determination must be a punk up to no good. Well, he was out of line. Take him out of the equation and Trayvon Martin would have gotten home safely with his Skittles and tea. Overzealous asshole wasn't even on duty and he's stalking people.

"On duty". You know, that is the guy I do not want on my neighborhood watch. A guy who has certain problems with certain people who is armed and trying to be some kind of damn Rambo.

I am black. This moron would have followed and approached me simply because I am black.

Fuck him. I hope he is found guilty and does 50 years for killing a kid who went to get skittles and ice tea. Martin WAS DOING NOTHING WRONG!