The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Luissa]

Look --accusing Zimmerman of being threatening and then calling him a wimp is a bit silly

Why? If you are going to act all macho and follow someone around and they confront you and (supposing TM did beat him), you just pull your gun and shoot them, that is wimpy.
Why didn't he just fight him back with his fist, like a "real" man? Because he is a wimp.

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

There is laws about ones reckless actions causing someone else's death.

 

[dilloduck]

No, you need to read this:
GZ is an idiot.

Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.

First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.

"If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons — though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit.
Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel

GZ created a dangerous situation which leaves him open to financial civil lawsuit, but he did not act with criminal malice or murder TM. He should be sued but not jailed.

You can't read GZ's mind, you don't know what his intentions were. And, it is up to the jury to decide whether or not he goes to jail. And the Homeowners Assn has already settled a wrongful death suit, because of the actions of GZ.

So how is it that you can claim to read Martin's mind so well ?

 

[dilloduck]

Why? If you are going to act all macho and follow someone around and they confront you and (supposing TM did beat him), you just pull your gun and shoot them, that is wimpy.
Why didn't he just fight him back with his fist, like a "real" man? Because he is a wimp.

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

There is laws about ones reckless actions causing someone else's death.

No shit Sherlock--and there are laws that give a person a right to defend themselves. That's what this is all about.

 

[Mertex]

Look --accusing Zimmerman of being threatening and then calling him a wimp is a bit silly

Why? If you are going to act all macho and follow someone around and they confront you and (supposing TM did beat him), you just pull your gun and shoot them, that is wimpy.
Why didn't he just fight him back with his fist, like a "real" man? Because he is a wimp.

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

So what is your definition of wimp? If you are armed and fight with someone that is not armed and you shoot him, does that make you "macho"?

 

[Mertex]

GZ created a dangerous situation which leaves him open to financial civil lawsuit, but he did not act with criminal malice or murder TM. He should be sued but not jailed.

You can't read GZ's mind, you don't know what his intentions were. And, it is up to the jury to decide whether or not he goes to jail. And the Homeowners Assn has already settled a wrongful death suit, because of the actions of GZ.

So how is it that you can claim to read Martin's mind so well ?

Where have I read TM's mind?

 

[dilloduck]

Why? If you are going to act all macho and follow someone around and they confront you and (supposing TM did beat him), you just pull your gun and shoot them, that is wimpy.
Why didn't he just fight him back with his fist, like a "real" man? Because he is a wimp.

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

So what is your definition of wimp? If you are armed and fight with someone that is not armed and you shoot him, does that make you "macho"?

You started using the word "wimp". Bravery is not the issue here. Style of fighting is not the issue here. If someone attacks you are you going to use your best macho moves ?

 

[Luissa]

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

There is laws about ones reckless actions causing someone else's death.

No shit Sherlock--and there are laws that give a person a right to defend themselves. That's what this is all about.

Defend yourself against something you caused? That your reckless actions caused?

 

[dilloduck]

There is laws about ones reckless actions causing someone else's death.

No shit Sherlock--and there are laws that give a person a right to defend themselves. That's what this is all about.

Defend yourself against something you caused? That your reckless actions caused?

what did Zimmerman cause ? For Martin to be afraid ? Is that it ?

 

[Luissa]

Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, then got out and followed him. In his taped statement he stated Martin asked what is problem is ( he has changed his story on the wording a few times), which was probably when Martin's girlfriend heard him ask why he was following him after he told her he was walking away.
It doesn't take a genius to realize his actions were reckless and caused Martin's death.

 

[KissMy]

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

Yes - The law says you can't use excessive deadly force unless the other continues trying to kill you after you have clearly indicated you quit fighting. At that point they are irrational & anyone is justified in fearing they will continue until serious injury or death results. At that point it justifies the use of deadly force with a gun.

 

[Luissa]

No shit Sherlock--and there are laws that give a person a right to defend themselves. That's what this is all about.

Defend yourself against something you caused? That your reckless actions caused?

what did Zimmerman cause ? For Martin to be afraid ? Is that it ?

Yes. Didnt you state one has a right to defend themselves?

 

[Mertex]

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

So what is your definition of wimp? If you are armed and fight with someone that is not armed and you shoot him, does that make you "macho"?

You started using the word "wimp". Bravery is not the issue here. Style of fighting is not the issue here. If someone attacks you are you going to use your best macho moves ?

If someone attacks you is different than you going out "all macho looking for someone suspicious"! It isn't hard to be brave if you are armed, and you pick your opponent, and you shoot them.

 

[dilloduck]

Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, then got out and followed him. In his taped statement he stated Martin asked what is problem is ( he has changed his story on the wording a few times), which was probably when Martin's girlfriend heard him ask why he was following him after he told her he was walking away.
It doesn't take a genius to realize his actions were reckless and caused Martin's death.

answer my question--what did Zimmerman cause ? (Don't use words like "probably").

 

[Luissa]

Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, then got out and followed him. In his taped statement he stated Martin asked what is problem is ( he has changed his story on the wording a few times), which was probably when Martin's girlfriend heard him ask why he was following him after he told her he was walking away.
It doesn't take a genius to realize his actions were reckless and caused Martin's death.

answer my question--what did Zimmerman cause ? (Don't use words like "probably").

He caused the incident to happen. I think I have stated that a few times in this thread

 

[dilloduck]

So what is your definition of wimp? If you are armed and fight with someone that is not armed and you shoot him, does that make you "macho"?

You started using the word "wimp". Bravery is not the issue here. Style of fighting is not the issue here. If someone attacks you are you going to use your best macho moves ?

If someone attacks you is different than you going out "all macho looking for someone suspicious"! It isn't hard to be brave if you are armed, and you pick your opponent, and you shoot them.

But instead he CALLED THE COPS--Murderers DON'T call the cops first.

 

[Mertex]

Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, then got out and followed him. In his taped statement he stated Martin asked what is problem is ( he has changed his story on the wording a few times), which was probably when Martin's girlfriend heard him ask why he was following him after he told her he was walking away.
It doesn't take a genius to realize his actions were reckless and caused Martin's death.

answer my question--what did Zimmerman cause ? (Don't use words like "probably").

How about a "needless death"?

 

[Luissa]

interesting--now Zimmerman is a "wimp" because he didn't fight fair. It that a law somewhere ? That you have to fight with the same weapons ?

Yes - The law says you can't use excessive deadly force unless the other continues trying to kill you after you have clearly indicated you quit fighting. At that point they are irrational & anyone is justified in fearing they will continue until serious injury or death results. At that point it justifies the use of deadly force with a gun.

Not in Florida

 

[Luissa]

You started using the word "wimp". Bravery is not the issue here. Style of fighting is not the issue here. If someone attacks you are you going to use your best macho moves ?

If someone attacks you is different than you going out "all macho looking for someone suspicious"! It isn't hard to be brave if you are armed, and you pick your opponent, and you shoot them.

But instead he CALLED THE COPS--Murderers DON'T call the cops first.

Then continued to follow him

 

[dilloduck]

Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, then got out and followed him. In his taped statement he stated Martin asked what is problem is ( he has changed his story on the wording a few times), which was probably when Martin's girlfriend heard him ask why he was following him after he told her he was walking away.
It doesn't take a genius to realize his actions were reckless and caused Martin's death.

answer my question--what did Zimmerman cause ? (Don't use words like "probably").

He caused the incident to happen. I think I have stated that a few times in this thread

That's where you're totally full of shit---Martin had a lot of options to take---Zimmerman didn't control which one he picked. But I know how you liberals are--blame someone else anytime something goes bad.

 

[dilloduck]

If someone attacks you is different than you going out "all macho looking for someone suspicious"! It isn't hard to be brave if you are armed, and you pick your opponent, and you shoot them.

But instead he CALLED THE COPS--Murderers DON'T call the cops first.

Then continued to follow him

you can't be this dumb---following and being armed is NOT illegal. This is a legal situation. Not a fucking movie.