The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Edgetho]

This Judge ain't gonna take the heat of throwing this case in the trash bin of history.

It's going to the Jury.

And I suspect the Jury will vote "NOT GUILTY" in about ten seconds and spend three or four hours playing pinochle before calling for the Bailiff.

This trial is a joke.

This is like the way things used to happen to Black people in the Deep South decades ago.

But it's the same actors -- dimocraps. Always, it's dimocraps.

The scum of the Earth.

 

[pioneerpete]

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These RW Zimmerman supporting bastards are conducting flips and somersaults to defy reality.

Trayvon is subject to the same fear for his life that you give Zimmerman the rights to have.

It boils down to who was the aggressor.

I believe that the evidence points to Zimmerman being the aggressor. Had he followed the suggestion of the dispatcher he would not be in this mess...at least not today.

Based on his past he seemed like he was destined to kill somebody's child. He had made about 50 calls to the cops reporting suspicious black people.

He was a wannabe cop that finally found the trouble he was looking for.

I'm not making this stuff up dude.

"He had made about 50 calls to the cops reporting suspicious black people."

"I'm not making this stuff up dude."

Prosecutors push to admit non-emergency calls on second day of Zimmerman murder trial | Fox News

Thanks for showing how much of a FOOL you are Amelia.

It also shows he called on a white person and Hispanic persons. Thanks for showing how much of a FOOL you are MarcATL!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Sigh, you want to start from the beginning again?

It's standard procedure and nothing in the States case so far contradicts GZ testimony outside TM's brother and mothers unreliable claim he was calling for help.

Sigh.....Oh my. You people are so biased you cannot see reality. In order to use deadly force to defend yourself, you have to be in a life threatening situaion. You don't get to blow people away bacause they punch you in the nose. He was not reasonably in fear of his life. The only ones who want this guy to go free are gun toting nuts who have wet dreams about blowing someone away with their precious weapons. So don't do the arrogant, self righteous "sigh" bit with me. You're the one is is the fool.

Sigh

I guess because you said so

is is.

 

[Missourian]

This is putting me to sleep...

Making a MickeyD's run.

Anyone want anything?

 

[Zona]

Again,

Martin Sucker Punches Zimmerman. This right here is not cause to fear for your life.
Zimmerman falls down and Martin climbs on top of him. Still no fear.
Martin pummels Zimmerman, "Ground and Pound". Still just a fight, no fear for life.
Zimmerman screams for help, none comes. Fear is starting to come about but still no reason to kill.
Zimmerman sees someone, that person walks away. Now there's fear, maybe not of death but great bodily harm.
Martin sees gun and says, "You going to die tonight" and goes for gun. Now you are in fear for your life.

SELF DEFENSE!

Kewl.

Now who is it that says Martin said "you going to die tonight"? Serious question.

 

[The Rabbi]

Now you are moving goalposts.

There's no satisfying your request.

What goalpost am I moving?

You asked for a link where Zimmerman said he was reaching for something. Buy the way, people do keep guns in their coat pockets.

Yeah I'm still waiting for said link. That isnt moving the goalposts. That's showing the people claiming that are full of shit because they can't produce the evidence.
People do keep guns in coat pockets. Zimmerman didnt in this case. What was your point?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

This is putting me to sleep...

Making a MickeyD's run.

Anyone want anything?

Yeah, get me 3 Big Mac's and a large Coke.



Oh, wait. Make that a Diet Coke. I have to watch my weight.

 

[The Rabbi]

The whole notion that Zimmerman "stalked" Trayvon Martin with the intent of using his gun flies right out the window when you actually look at the situation.

Zimmerman doesn't draw his weapon until he fears that the man who is atop him and has been beating him without letup has noticed his gun and is trying to get it. Only then...does Zimmerman elect to use the weapon.

But more importantly...if Trayvon Martin REALLY is frightened by the "creepy assed Cracker" that followed him...what possible reason would he have to leave the safety of the condo he was staying at...a condo that he could have very easily called the police himself to report the "stalking"...and walk back up the hundred yards plus to get to where Zimmerman is returning to his SUV? And if he DID do that simply to see if the man was still there (your claim that I'm sorry to say that I find to be almost laughable, 25) why wouldn't he let the man continue on his way? Why would he step out of the darkness and ask "You got a problem?"...an opening salvo that anyone who's ever been in a fight recognizes as threatening.

I agree...I dont think he was out to kill anyone...hes not that type of person. He was a concerned citizen who made some mistakes.

He and trayvon both have their own responsibility for what happened that night. Trayvon paid the ultimate price and GZ needs to pay with some time in jail, IMO. Will that happen to GZ? As it looks now...i dont think so.

What mistake would warrant jail time for Zimmerman? Or are you just trying to be "fair"?

 

[MeBelle]

This is putting me to sleep...

Making a MickeyD's run.

Anyone want anything?

McFishy sammich please. Extra tart tarter sauce.

 

[Sarah G]

Hilarious. So now you've got it all set up. In your minds, of course he's innocent and everyone can see that (not). And the only reason he won't be acquited is because the judge and/or jury are afraid of riots. You get to have it both ways. Either he goes free because he deseves to, or he doesn't because people are afraid of rioting. Cute.

The fact is, he is a guilty man who should not be acquited. The judge and jury don't have to see it your way and very well may not. You folks are the ones who are biased. Since when does an innnocent person go out for a walk in the evening and end up dead because of a gun toting vigilante and it's the innocent person's fault he is dead? It's a wishful dream for all of you gun nuts that carry around your weapons just waiting for a chance to blow someone away, and you don't even realize how far off the mark you are about how the rest of the people in this country feel about private citizens carrying weapons and shooting anyone who looks at them cross eyed.

Sigh, you want to start from the beginning again?

It's standard procedure and nothing in the States case so far contradicts GZ testimony outside TM's brother and mothers unreliable claim he was calling for help.

Sigh.....Oh my. You people are so biased you cannot see reality. In order to use deadly force to defend yourself, you have to be in a life threatening situaion. You don't get to blow people away bacause they punch you in the nose. He was not reasonably in fear of his life. The only ones who want this guy to go free are gun toting nuts who have wet dreams about blowing someone away with their precious weapons. So don't do the arrogant, self righteous "sigh" bit with me. You're the one is is the fool.

They think it's the wild wild West here, Pilgrim.

 

[testarosa]

Who is a$$ citing right now? Which self defense "she" case did he cite? I was on the phone and missed it.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Sigh, you want to start from the beginning again?

It's standard procedure and nothing in the States case so far contradicts GZ testimony outside TM's brother and mothers unreliable claim he was calling for help.

Sigh.....Oh my. You people are so biased you cannot see reality. In order to use deadly force to defend yourself, you have to be in a life threatening situaion. You don't get to blow people away bacause they punch you in the nose. He was not reasonably in fear of his life. The only ones who want this guy to go free are gun toting nuts who have wet dreams about blowing someone away with their precious weapons. So don't do the arrogant, self righteous "sigh" bit with me. You're the one is is the fool.

They think it's the wild wild West here, Pilgrim.

Nope. "They" think the law of justification is the law, too.

Sorry that you lolberals simply don't.

 

[Sarah G]

This is putting me to sleep...

Making a MickeyD's run.

Anyone want anything?

Double cheese and fries. Please.

 

[pioneerpete]

HEY MARC:

A few weeks ago here in Atlanta a new Nike shoe was coming out and there was a line of people that waited over night to get the shoes.
That morning early a black man came and attempted to rob another black man and ANOTHER black man pulled his gun out and shot him.
DEAD.
The man that shot and killed him was not being threatened in ANY WAY.
And the police did not charge him with anything.
Right in your own back yard and where WERE YOU to complain about that?
There was NO force or anything.
Because they both were BLACK.

WOW. Kaboom!!!!

 

[Sallow]

What goalpost am I moving?

You asked for a link where Zimmerman said he was reaching for something. Buy the way, people do keep guns in their coat pockets.

Yeah I'm still waiting for said link. That isnt moving the goalposts. That's showing the people claiming that are full of shit because they can't produce the evidence.
People do keep guns in coat pockets. Zimmerman didnt in this case. What was your point?

That Zimmerman, said, in his statement, that he went for his cell phone. Which he thought was in his right jacket pocket.

 

[25Caliber]

Emotion has no place when a mans life is on the line. This is a clear cut case for self defense, the evidence, the testimony, all of it says Zimmerman did everything correctly.

It was clearly not self defense. Zimmerman had no life threatening injuries and Trayvon only had one. The gunshot wound. Call it emotion if you wish but this jury hopefully sees the case differently than you.

The kid is dead and Zimmerman is fine. That's clearly murder.

Zimmerman doesn't need to have any life threatening injuries. The extent of injury isn't important. The issue isn't whether nor not Zimmerman had life threatening injuries but whether he believed he had life threatening injuries.

So in other words make sure the guy is dead and then make up your own story of how you believe he threatened your life? Wow...is that the world we live in? You are watching the effects of that standard...you are watching the killer embellish knowing that he cannot be refuted.

 

[testarosa]

This is putting me to sleep...

Making a MickeyD's run.

Anyone want anything?

Yeah, get me 3 Big Mac's and a large Coke.



Oh, wait. Make that a Diet Coke. I have to watch my weight.

Lmao

 

[Sarah G]

Sigh.....Oh my. You people are so biased you cannot see reality. In order to use deadly force to defend yourself, you have to be in a life threatening situaion. You don't get to blow people away bacause they punch you in the nose. He was not reasonably in fear of his life. The only ones who want this guy to go free are gun toting nuts who have wet dreams about blowing someone away with their precious weapons. So don't do the arrogant, self righteous "sigh" bit with me. You're the one is is the fool.

They think it's the wild wild West here, Pilgrim.

Nope. "They" think the law of justification is the law, too.

Sorry that you lolberals simply don't.

Is the duncefense done yet? Did the judge throw the case out?

 

[The Rabbi]

You asked for a link where Zimmerman said he was reaching for something. Buy the way, people do keep guns in their coat pockets.

Yeah I'm still waiting for said link. That isnt moving the goalposts. That's showing the people claiming that are full of shit because they can't produce the evidence.
People do keep guns in coat pockets. Zimmerman didnt in this case. What was your point?

That Zimmerman, said, in his statement, that he went for his cell phone. Which he thought was in his right jacket pocket.

Link?

 

[MarcATL]

So Zimerman will testify he was not in fear of his life when he shot Martin.
With eye witness testimony stating undisputed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and had him pinned on the ground hitting him you believe that does not make someone fear for their life.
No Marc, the burden is that Zimmerman has NO DUTY TO RETREAT and defending one's self is a broad area.
Shooting and killing can be used in self defense of one's self if someone is attacking you.

Marc, hate to break the news to you now as you obviously do no research on your own:

The law in Florida contains TWO presumptions that favor a defendant who is making a self defense claim:
1. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE DEFENDANT had a reasonable fear that deadly force was necessary.
and
2. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE VICTIM intended to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

REASONABLE is a broad and vague area Marc. I actually do not like this law but it IS THE LAW.
And we are not a nation of has been talking head media that you have been listening to.

Those things will be charged to the jury in the jury charges by the Judge that ARE PRESUMED. Zimmerman has to do NOTHING to prove either one of them.
Additionally, as I schooled you on earlier the defendant HAS NO DUTY to retreat.

Pretty good for an "a-hole" huh Marc.
Give it up or get back to us when you study up and research THE LAW.

And I've been saying from the beginning that this case revolves around what you labelled as 1. No. 2, is also at the heart of this case which will be determined by the jury.

However, the way you've been spewing is as if Zimmerman is just an innocent little child caught up in some massive conspiracy to jail him.

He hasn't proven that he was in fear for his life, and he hasn't proven that the victim meant to commit a crime.

My call is that Zimmerman is TOAST!!