The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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So if two teens are wrestling around and one gets a scratch or two, it's ok for the one with the scratches to pull a gun and shoot the other? No reasoning at all?

No. The test is both objective and subjective. The person must be in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

In other words:

1.) The person must be in actual fear of death or serious bodily injury
2.) That fear is objectively reasonable.
 
So this idiot is citing case after case but Bao was criticised for changing his mind about the range of time 1-10 minutes rather than his original 1-3 minute opinion that Trayvon could have suffered before he died, based on a case he had 3 weeks ago.

The jury must hate this defense team.

WTF?

You don't think the jury was there to hear the lawyers engaged in legal argument, do you?

This jury is going to trip over itself to acquit.

And it's conceivable that the jury may STILL never get the case.

Doubtful, but possible.

Our little sarass didn't catch the fact that O'Mara was arguing the case only to the judge. You cite cases on points of law to the judge. Sarass doesn't seem to know that. Being able to cite cases REALLY goes to the competence of the attorney. So does just standing up and calling someone a lair without citing cases.
 
But according to GADAWG, you have the right to shoot someone just because they hit you. That's it.

It doesn't work like that, you have to be in fear of your life.

We do not live in the wild wild West anymore. Those days are long gone.

True story:

Fifteen or twenty years ago, we were having a real problem down here with tourists getting car-jacked after arriving at the Miami Airport.

It was so bad that several European Countries were threatening to put 'Travel Warnings' out for people headed to Miami.

Florida is the #1 Tourist destination on Earth. Nobody else even gets close. It's big money. BIG money.

So the State told Miami to get it's shit together -- Or else.

They tried everything, extra Cops, tiplines, Cops on foot, helicopter patrols.... Everything.

Nothing worked.

Here's what was happeneing. When you rent a car and leave the Miami Airport, if you turn one direction, you're fine. You turn the other direction and in two minutes you're in the heart of Liberty City. Bad neighborhood.

The local crack heads knew something that hadn't occured to our gubmint officials yet --

All rented and leased cars at that time had license plates that started with an "X' a "Y" or a "Z".

So the bad guys knew that those people wandering around in Liberty City were tourists and definitely unarmed.

So they were singling them out and car-jacking and often murdering them.

Solution.... Simple. Just stop using those license plates.

Because down here, most residents have a gun in their car with them. Something about three moves and it's perfectly legal. In fact, the Cops don't pay any attention to that. Everybody carries down here, Marc. Everybody.

So our resident crackheads got desperate and started trying to carjack people without the fore-knowledge that they'd be unarmed tourists and....

They got the shit killed out of themselves. It was so bad that the Miami NAACP made a big stink about. About how too many of 'their' people were getting killed.

They were told to shut the fuck up and go away.


You try to carjack people down here and you ain't gonna live very long. Billy Bob is gonna shoot your ass dead. REAL dead.

And down here, in Florida, Marc?

You walk up to someone and punch him in the nose, breaking it?

And the odds are pretty good you're going to die that day. Maybe that minute.

And nothing will be done to the guy or girl that shot you.

You don't like it? Stay out of Florida
Sounds like a town led by vigilante rednecks...by your own account.

Great post indeed, shows the state of mind that Zimmerman also had before he went off on his vigilante killing spree.

why are you such a liar? you lied about his phone calls and now you lied that he was on a killing spree. he killed one person you dishonest shattle.
 
Judge HOSER.

She asked the defense lawyers earlier if they had A witness available. They said yes. She came. She testified. She walked off. THEN the judge says "call your NEXT witness?"

What if there wasn't one ready yet?

Cheesey pro-prosecution move.
 
It sure sounds like the voice screaming shrilly before the shot was the same voice AFTER the shot.

But I thought Bao was of the "opinion" that after the shot the victim could not have cried out.

If that's the case, then it HAD to be GZ's voice, wouldn't you say?

The lead investigator said after the incident during Z questioning duirng that call "that's you isn't it?"

As far as I'm concerned Z screaming has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
It sure sounds like the voice screaming shrilly before the shot was the same voice AFTER the shot.

But I thought Bao was of the "opinion" that after the shot the victim could not have cried out.

If that's the case, then it HAD to be GZ's voice, wouldn't you say?

I just hope they call Bao back as he was extremely funny. There will be a lot of late night jokes about him.
 
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