The Only Way To Deal With A Situation Like Orlando

[Dana7360]

Given proper military training...

... it might be possible, but...

.. you willin' to be the first to go unarmed...

... up against an AR-15?

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Or arm the victims to start with. It was a gun free zone.

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

 

[charwin95]

No gun free zones and open or concealed carry in all states would cause anyone to think twice about opening fire on a crowd of people. We never hear about any of these creeps going into a biker bar and opening fire, do we?

Most states don't allow firearms in bars, licensed or not.

You think there aren't any guns in biker bars?

Not legally.

Legal or not, the shooter isn't gonna take the chance.

Do you think gun nuts will stop carrying their concealed fire arm just bc it's a GFZs?
Since gun nuts are so tough......... Do you think they respect GFZs? Two of my golf buddies carry their guns at golf courses or churches etc. etc. ALL the time.

 

[tigerred59]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

The first real instincts of humans when faced with danger is to protect themselves from harm, run, get out of the way...in essence become a coward and protect you. This John Wayne bullshit you NRA gun toting fuck heads keep putting out here is all fantasy. Perhaps in a few incidents hero's emerge and yes there are times when all envolved can prevent further mayham, but time and time again, most people are caught off guard and their survival instincts prevail.

Please if you want to offer advice or co sign onto Trump bullshit, find a website for comedians and have at it.

Do some research.....read actual encounteres rather than talking out of your ass...

You do me a favor, cowboy, re watch the Waco Texas shooting....everyone with guns run for cover...because as stated, your first instinct is to stay alive.....now get off the John Wayne kool aide, cowboy and have a glass of cowardly milk!!

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Given proper military training...

... it might be possible, but...

.. you willin' to be the first to go unarmed...

... up against an AR-15?

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Or arm the victims to start with. It was a gun free zone.

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

I know reading is difficult, but you should try it. He said earlier in the thread that people should be trained to handle situations like this. It's certainly better than, like, claiming people throwing out helpful ideas are delusional, and jumping on them.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

The first real instincts of humans when faced with danger is to protect themselves from harm, run, get out of the way...in essence become a coward and protect you. This John Wayne bullshit you NRA gun toting fuck heads keep putting out here is all fantasy. Perhaps in a few incidents hero's emerge and yes there are times when all envolved can prevent further mayham, but time and time again, most people are caught off guard and their survival instincts prevail.

Please if you want to offer advice or co sign onto Trump bullshit, find a website for comedians and have at it.

Do some research.....read actual encounteres rather than talking out of your ass...

You do me a favor, cowboy, re watch the Waco Texas shooting....everyone with guns run for cover...because as stated, your first instinct is to stay alive.....now get off the John Wayne kool aide, cowboy and have a glass of cowardly milk!!

You should check the crime rate. With everyone carrying guns, it went down. You should get off the Hillary Clinton ignorant Libtard side.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

No gun free zones and open or concealed carry in all states would cause anyone to think twice about opening fire on a crowd of people. We never hear about any of these creeps going into a biker bar and opening fire, do we?

Most states don't allow firearms in bars, licensed or not.

You think there aren't any guns in biker bars?

Not legally.

Legal or not, the shooter isn't gonna take the chance.

Do you think gun nuts will stop carrying their concealed fire arm just bc it's a GFZs?
Since gun nuts are so tough......... Do you think they respect GFZs? Two of my golf buddies carry their guns at golf courses or churches etc. etc. ALL the time.

Considering everyone is checked as they walk into a GFZ, yes, I think that would keep law abiding citizens from carrying their guns.

 

[tigerred59]

Given proper military training...

... it might be possible, but...

.. you willin' to be the first to go unarmed...

... up against an AR-15?

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Or arm the victims to start with. It was a gun free zone.

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Well if they didn't have a magazine that held more than say 6 or 10 bullets maybe your theory might work.

But that's not reality in America. Here in America a person can have an assault weapon that kills large amounts of people in a matter of a few minutes. Large capacity magazines to ensure they kill a large amount of humans before they have to reload.

Here's a idea. Ban high capacity magazines.

Here's another idea. Ban assault weapons.

If this man had not had access to an assault weapon and high capacity magazine clips, none of this would have happened.

And don't tell me that can't be done. It was done in the 90s. The republicans allowed the ban to expire in the bush boy years and we've had countless mass murders since then.

By the way, democrats tried to ban weapons from terrorists and possible terrorists. The republicans filibustered the bill and killed it.

So when the republicans stop preventing common sense laws from being enacted, THEN I might take you all seriously about terrorism and mass murders.

Right now, you're part of the problem so nothing you all say or do means anything to me.

The 1994 ban did nothing to reduce gun crime and anyone with a little practice can change out clips fast than it takes to describe the process so keep trying.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Given proper military training...

... it might be possible, but...

.. you willin' to be the first to go unarmed...

... up against an AR-15?

Or arm the victims to start with. It was a gun free zone.

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

Weren't you the Liberal whackjob that posted that gun thread, then stopped replying when someone proved you were blatantly ignorant and wrong? Oh, yeah, you were. He even provided statistics and reasoning for crime rates going down when everyone was armed. You should feel silly for carrying that outlook into this thread, even knowing you were proven wrong.
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[HUGGY]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

It's a gay bar. This was the softest of all soft targets. Maybe the grade school at Sandy Hook was softer but not by much.

How many gay bars are there in the U S? 10,000? This lone wolf had a lot of choices and drove a long way to find one that offered no resistance.

There is no way to prevent this kind of attack. It is futile to think it possible. The terrorist made the most out of his suicide attack. Nobody in that kind of a situation is going to choose to take on the AR 15 unarmed especially the gay people. Even trained people will think twice before going after that kind of force with no weapons.

I think maybe the best way to save lives in a place like that club would be an alarm system and/or an alert DJ with a microphone that could turn off ALL of the music in the whole building and yell out instructions backed up with the door person having the same capability.

Also it wouldn't hurt to have many clear and accessible marked exists so the patrons and staff have somewhere to go immediately to get safely away from the gunman.

 

[dannyboys]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Well if they didn't have a magazine that held more than say 6 or 10 bullets maybe your theory might work.

But that's not reality in America. Here in America a person can have an assault weapon that kills large amounts of people in a matter of a few minutes. Large capacity magazines to ensure they kill a large amount of humans before they have to reload.

Here's a idea. Ban high capacity magazines.

Here's another idea. Ban assault weapons.

If this man had not had access to an assault weapon and high capacity magazine clips, none of this would have happened.

And don't tell me that can't be done. It was done in the 90s. The republicans allowed the ban to expire in the bush boy years and we've had countless mass murders since then.

By the way, democrats tried to ban weapons from terrorists and possible terrorists. The republicans filibustered the bill and killed it.

So when the republicans stop preventing common sense laws from being enacted, THEN I might take you all seriously about terrorism and mass murders.

Right now, you're part of the problem so nothing you all say or do means anything to me.

The muslim terrorist murdered people ONE AT A TIME OVER HOURS!
It has nothing do with having an assault weapon you fucking idiot! '
"None of this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't had an assault weapon"
Dear GOD you are so fucking delusional!
The only thing the gays had to defend themselves were a bunch of fucking feathered boas.

 

[tigerred59]

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

Weren't you the Liberal whackjob that posted that gun thread, then stopped replying when someone proved you were blatantly ignorant and wrong? Oh, yeah, you were. He even provided statistics and reasoning for crime rates going down when everyone was armed. You should feel silly for carrying that outlook into this thread, even knowing you were proven wrong.
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listen, you stupid ass ho....in a one on one occassion, yes having a gun is good....but show me one time ever when a mass shooter was stopped by someone carrying a fuckin gun.....otherwise shut the fuck up. And just for the record you stupid piece of shit.....show these stats to the family members of those Sandy Hook parent, the Pulse night club parents, movie theater parents, school and university parents and then lets talk, you dumb fuck head!!

 

[tigerred59]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Well if they didn't have a magazine that held more than say 6 or 10 bullets maybe your theory might work.

But that's not reality in America. Here in America a person can have an assault weapon that kills large amounts of people in a matter of a few minutes. Large capacity magazines to ensure they kill a large amount of humans before they have to reload.

Here's a idea. Ban high capacity magazines.

Here's another idea. Ban assault weapons.

If this man had not had access to an assault weapon and high capacity magazine clips, none of this would have happened.

And don't tell me that can't be done. It was done in the 90s. The republicans allowed the ban to expire in the bush boy years and we've had countless mass murders since then.

By the way, democrats tried to ban weapons from terrorists and possible terrorists. The republicans filibustered the bill and killed it.

So when the republicans stop preventing common sense laws from being enacted, THEN I might take you all seriously about terrorism and mass murders.

Right now, you're part of the problem so nothing you all say or do means anything to me.

The muslim terrorist murdered people ONE AT A TIME OVER HOURS!
It has nothing do with having an assault weapon you fucking idiot! '
"None of this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't had an assault weapon"
Dear GOD you are so fucking delusional!
The only thing the gays had to defend themselves were a bunch of fucking feathered boas.

They keep wanting to prove that gun ownership causes murder rate to go down....yes it does. Thugs are less likely to walk up on a mf, break into your house, etc....HOWEVER, owning a fuckin gun, will never stop anyone in a public setting, caught completely off guard from a guy loaded with a fuckin semi that can kill over and over and over...the only fuckin way I see shit like that happening is if every walks around with a semi strapped to their backs...then we can talk

 

[2aguy]

This is what happened when 3 unarmed people rushed the muslim who shot up the Fort Hood building...

Soldiers....unarmed soldiers......had they been allowed to carry pistols lives would have been saved....

2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Army reserve Captain John Gaffaney tried to stop Hasan by charging him, but was mortally wounded before reaching him.[27] Civilian physician assistant Michael Cahill also tried to charge Hasan with a chair, but was shot and killed.[28] Army reserve Specialist Logan Burnett tried to stop Hasan by throwing a folding table at him, but he was shot in the left hip, fell down, and crawled to a nearby cubicle.[29]

 

[2aguy]

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

Weren't you the Liberal whackjob that posted that gun thread, then stopped replying when someone proved you were blatantly ignorant and wrong? Oh, yeah, you were. He even provided statistics and reasoning for crime rates going down when everyone was armed. You should feel silly for carrying that outlook into this thread, even knowing you were proven wrong.
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listen, you stupid ass ho....in a one on one occassion, yes having a gun is good....but show me one time ever when a mass shooter was stopped by someone carrying a fuckin gun.....otherwise shut the fuck up. And just for the record you stupid piece of shit.....show these stats to the family members of those Sandy Hook parent, the Pulse night club parents, movie theater parents, school and university parents and then lets talk, you dumb fuck head!!

Hey...asswipe....I and others have posted many stories.....I posted a Medical Doctor, an Uber Driver and a Pastor who all stopped mass shooters with pistols....so act like a normal human and be fucking polite.....

And of the 5 church shootings I have posted 3 of them had armed civilians who stopped shooters the other two.....unarmed people......

Armed people 2 deaths...

unarmed people 15 deaths...

you fucking asswipe.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

Weren't you the Liberal whackjob that posted that gun thread, then stopped replying when someone proved you were blatantly ignorant and wrong? Oh, yeah, you were. He even provided statistics and reasoning for crime rates going down when everyone was armed. You should feel silly for carrying that outlook into this thread, even knowing you were proven wrong.
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listen, you stupid ass ho....in a one on one occassion, yes having a gun is good....but show me one time ever when a mass shooter was stopped by someone carrying a fuckin gun.....otherwise shut the fuck up. And just for the record you stupid piece of shit.....show these stats to the family members of those Sandy Hook parent, the Pulse night club parents, movie theater parents, school and university parents and then lets talk, you dumb fuck head!!

The theater, night club, and school were all no gun zones. Weird how most mass shootings happen in No Gun Zones. Are you pretending that having killed more than one person automatically makes you immune to a bullet in your brain? Are you also ignoring the post I linked you? Well, doing so does support your agenda, so of course you are.

 

[2aguy]

The gunman didn't have any trouble getting an angle. Besides, if enough are armed, one has to be close enough when he enters.

Ok, you keep thinking that, I'm telling you what will work to minimize causalities 100% of the time.

And you're not wrong. It would minimize casualties. So would actually arming the victims, since they'd be able to gun down the lowlife as soon as he enters the building and raises his gun.

Just seeing someone raising a gun in a crowd doesn't justify shooting them, it could be an undercover cop seeing something you don't. You obviously haven't had much training.

Another thing people aren't considering in this particular situation when they said more guns would have helped is that it was obviously a very crowded club. I'm not sure a bunch of untrained people shooting across the club would have made the situation much better. How do you even tell who the bad guy is at that point?

I've mentioned this kind of scenario many many times.
Also gun shooting at university........... Just imagine untrained students running around with guns ............ How would you know who is the bad guy or good guys?

And this has happened.....the guys not shooting innocent people are the good guys, the guys shooting innocent people are the bad guys......

Again...students at a university would be 21 years old in order to carry a gun.....hardly an 18 year old with a gun is it?

 

[2aguy]

Given proper military training...

... it might be possible, but...

.. you willin' to be the first to go unarmed...

... up against an AR-15?

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

Or arm the victims to start with. It was a gun free zone.

Every police who responded to that murder that evening had a weapon.

It took ELEVEN highly trained police offers to stop and kill that man but you believe an untrained civilian who is partying will.

That's the problem with you people. YOU DON'T THINK.

Well dumb ass I could set up a demonstration with a paint ball gun and prove otherwise. You're the one not thinking.

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

Wrong....they are also stopped by armed civilians who are on the scene......you forgot that one...and the stories that we have all listed these last few years....

 

[2aguy]

This may sound counter intuitive but the only way to save lives when a gunman opens fire in a crowd is for the crowd to collapse on them and take them down and never give them a chance to reload. No shooter would get off more than a few rounds if people were taught to respond in this manner.

You thoughts?

The first real instincts of humans when faced with danger is to protect themselves from harm, run, get out of the way...in essence become a coward and protect you. This John Wayne bullshit you NRA gun toting fuck heads keep putting out here is all fantasy. Perhaps in a few incidents hero's emerge and yes there are times when all envolved can prevent further mayham, but time and time again, most people are caught off guard and their survival instincts prevail.

Please if you want to offer advice or co sign onto Trump bullshit, find a website for comedians and have at it.

Do some research.....read actual encounteres rather than talking out of your ass...

You do me a favor, cowboy, re watch the Waco Texas shooting....everyone with guns run for cover...because as stated, your first instinct is to stay alive.....now get off the John Wayne kool aide, cowboy and have a glass of cowardly milk!!

And the other mass shootings stopped by civilians, non law enforcement with guns.......what about them?

 

[tigerred59]

I will wager you will get more people willing to rush a paint ball gun than you will to rush an AR-15. As someone else said....this is not the movies.

These people are delusional.

They actually believe what they see in a work of fiction movie.

If someone was going to rush a crazy person with a gun to stop them even though they aren't trained for it and don't have a gun, it would have happened by now.

The only time a crazy person with a gun is stopped is either when the police shoot them or they run out of bullets.

No one is going do what that conservative wants done.

That conservative doesn't even know the difference between a paint ball gun and an automatic weapon.

It's pathetic.

These morons live in a fantasy world. And all talk this cowboy hero shit, from a safe place in thier homes. These congress bitches, talk safely while tax payers pay for their protection, as does Trump, who can afford a safe haven even after this is all over....in the real world, we're left to deal with these crazy mf's who for what ever reason don't value life. You can't stop crazy mf's from killing people at random, but what we can do and must do as a nation, where Mass shootings are now the norm, is demand metal detectors for all public venues, ban assault weapons and make it harder for radical folk who clearly have no problems posting their bullshit, make it harder for these types to purchase guns.

Weren't you the Liberal whackjob that posted that gun thread, then stopped replying when someone proved you were blatantly ignorant and wrong? Oh, yeah, you were. He even provided statistics and reasoning for crime rates going down when everyone was armed. You should feel silly for carrying that outlook into this thread, even knowing you were proven wrong.
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listen, you stupid ass ho....in a one on one occassion, yes having a gun is good....but show me one time ever when a mass shooter was stopped by someone carrying a fuckin gun.....otherwise shut the fuck up. And just for the record you stupid piece of shit.....show these stats to the family members of those Sandy Hook parent, the Pulse night club parents, movie theater parents, school and university parents and then lets talk, you dumb fuck head!!

The theater, night club, and school were all no gun zones. Weird how most mass shootings happen in No Gun Zones. Are you pretending that having killed more than one person automatically makes you immune to a bullet in your brain? Are you also ignoring the post I linked you? Well, doing so does support your agenda, so of course you are.

Listen, this debate, this trying to justify gun ownership is nilly to me. I am a gun owner, I live in a SYG state and I own a gun. I do not however advocate semi automatics as part of this package. So lets just agree to disagree. I'm not bending and neither are you, so whats the point, eh?