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Okay, a whole lot of conditions there you can't prove.
Did his wife even work? If she didn't, she made the CHOICE not to
Did his wife's company even offer insurance? If not, she made the CHOICE to work for a company that didn't offer insurance.
Did his wife's company have an insurance company that was just as Evil as Cigna? Again, she made the CHOICE to work there
Could he really have afforded a $350,000 treatment out of pocket? It doesn't cost $350K to make the CHOICE to carry your own insurance
Would a bank have fronted him that kind of money? No bank required for out of pocket insurance
Point was, he took a job and paid a co-pay and worked for a company with the promise of insurance to cover his family, and Lexus and Cigna didn't come through for him.
Wow...talk about "conditions you CAN'T prove". When did Lexus and Cigna promise to "cover" his family?!? They offered health insurance with limitations. His failure to read the policy contract (and your ignorance to refuse to accept the fact that this girl was simply dying) does not justify communism for the U.S.
Incidentally, I noticed that you didn't step up and offer to pay for this poor girl in her desperate time of need. I guess your computer and internet subscription so that you could go on USMB and bitch like a teenage girl 24x7 was more important to you, uh? Typical...
Poodle, pointing out a fact isn't an insult. Deal with it. Come on, out with it, how old are you and how long have you actually been in the workforce.
I take it you are schizophrenic? The other night you practically crying like a little girl about insults. Today you are "big tough guy" with your "deal with it" rhetoric. And since all I did was point out the fact that you are indeed stupid (and even you know that much), then we both agree that I was not insulting you.
Not that I thought you were going to answer the question, but how was asking a simple question- not screaming that someone is a communist or stupid- but a simple question of how old are you and how much have you paid in taxes over a lifetime- insulting you, exactly.
The fact you are unwilling to give a straight up answer speaks volumes.
Guy, Bush made two presenations to the American people.
1) Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (he didn't.)
2) Saddam was working with Bin Laden (he wasn't.)
As such, going to war with him was NOT defense as you've defined it.
We set up a puppet government and the big oil companies were doing business in Iraq again. Um, yeah, they benefitted. So did the Zionists, who wanted Saddam gone and he was gone.
What we didn't get was the WMD's Bush insisted were there.
Again, the constitution doesn't prohibit a universal health care.
Please explain how the "General" are losing health insurance because of ObamaCare. Because, guy, it ain't happening. Oh, a few companies are dropping health care, but they were doing that before Obamacare came along.
Well, good thing for that old bag Ayn she did, because at the end of her miserable, selfish life, after her husband dumped her and most of her fans forgot her, she had to rely on Medicare and Social Security to live.
Guy, you need to get over your Constitutional Fetishism.
The constitution means what people think it ought to mean.
This really does get to the heart of the argument. Is health care a consumer good or a public service. Most sensible, sane people think it should be a public service.
And then there are people who think that selfishness is a virtue. Like you and Ayn.
Why would I want to do that, when we can fix this county and expunge you hateful little selfish fucks and make you pay for our healthcare? Frankly, you make my argument for higher taxes for me.
Guy, as I've said, I've probably paid more taxes lifetime than you ever will.
But to the point, I would bet that if you let people pick where their tax money goes, paying for medical treatment for the poor would get funded long before Wars for Oil and Welfare for Zionists, your favorite programs.
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Okay, a whole lot of conditions there you can't prove.
Did his wife even work? If she didn't, she made the CHOICE not to
Did his wife's company even offer insurance? If not, she made the CHOICE to work for a company that didn't offer insurance.
Did his wife's company have an insurance company that was just as Evil as Cigna? Again, she made the CHOICE to work there
Could he really have afforded a $350,000 treatment out of pocket? It doesn't cost $350K to make the CHOICE to carry your own insurance
Would a bank have fronted him that kind of money? No bank required for out of pocket insurance
Point was, he took a job and paid a co-pay and worked for a company with the promise of insurance to cover his family, and Lexus and Cigna didn't come through for him.
Wow...talk about "conditions you CAN'T prove". When did Lexus and Cigna promise to "cover" his family?!? They offered health insurance with limitations. His failure to read the policy contract (and your ignorance to refuse to accept the fact that this girl was simply dying) does not justify communism for the U.S.
Incidentally, I noticed that you didn't step up and offer to pay for this poor girl in her desperate time of need. I guess your computer and internet subscription so that you could go on USMB and bitch like a teenage girl 24x7 was more important to you, uh? Typical...
Guy, I was paying or working for about $6000 bucks a year that went directly to Cigna, so I kind of was paying into it. So was Mr. Sarkisyan, who paid a co-pay and was working for insurance.
So the argument here is, "He should have known that Cigna would cheat him at the first oppurtunity, and have chosen better".
really? And this is the system you support, one that is based on promising a service and then not providing it?
If what you say is true, then the people of Cigna should be prosecuted both criminally (for breach of contract) and civilly (for pain & suffering). But that doesn't justify unconstitutionally altering our healthcare system. I was 100% happy with our current system - who are you to force me out of it?
It's not true.
Death of Nataline Sarkisyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uh, yeah, it is true.
And, no, Cigna can't be prosecuted. The court found that because Nataline's Dad's employer had paid for the insurance, he had no standing to sue them.
...a Nataline Sarkisyan. She was the girl who needed a liver transplant, but Cigna denied her coverage and fought her dad in court AFTER the man had worked for and paid for insurance.
You are either the most ignorant poster on USMB or you are the biggest liar on USMB (I suspect it's a lot of both).
It does not matter what company his employer chose for their health insurance plan. He always had a CHOICE. He could have turned down their plan and gone on his wife's. Or he could have turned down their plan and paid out of his own pocket (god forbid, right commie?) for the plan of his choosing. Or he could have actually read Cigna's plan and accepted it. He had OPTIONS. He had CHOICE.
Okay, a whole lot of conditions there you can't prove.
Did his wife even work?
Did his wife's company even offer insurance?
Did his wife's company have an insurance company that was just as Evil as Cigna?
Point was, he took a job and paid a co-pay and worked for a company with the promise of insurance to cover his family, and Lexus and Cigna didn't come through for him.
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The fact that you are so concerned about my age speaks volume. The reality is, even when we post indisputable facts - quacks like you, RDean, and RW cry "right-wing propaganda". So what good will posting my age do when you'll just claim it's not true anyway?
(Hint: I'm much older than you think I am)
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From Chuck Pfarerr's book, Seal Target: Geronimo
It is a chilling fact that thousands of chemical weapons have been uncovered in Iraq.
So why haven't the American people been told of the stock-piled caches of chemical WMD's uncovered in Iraq or of the chemical weapon attacks by Al Qaeda?
By the way - what is this "we" shit? You're a coward who sits at home bitching about the U.S. and crying about defense. Like everything else in life, you're not willing to stand up and put your ass on the line.
You're right.....at the state level. Unfortunately for you, Obamacare was implemented at the federal level. And the Constitution explicitly "prohibits" (your word) any action by the federal government outside of the 18 enumerated powers. Oops!
Well by that logic, we can imprison you for life and torture you, because I most definitely believe that doing just that to communists is what the Constitution "ought to mean".
Of all of your absurd statements, this is by far the most asinine. Since everyone would have their own opinion on what it "ought to mean", who gets to decide? Let me guess, you? And before you say "the Supreme Court" - remember that you just declared "what people think it ought to mean", which means we would get to decide that the Supreme Court has no authority to rule on it
If it were intended to be whatever each person thought it "ought" to be then it wouldn't have been written down and signed into law dumb ass. It would have simply been shared verbally and left to each person from there
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Second, it doesn't matter what people think. It matters what the law says. For instance, assholes like RDean thought that George Zimmerman should go to prison. But the law said he was justified to use lethal force in self-defense.
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What does paying taxes have to do with your refusal to stand up and pay for children who are dying because they don't have healthcare coverage? You're a greedy, selfish ass-wipe who lets children die and then tries to convince himself that he "cares" because you are forced to pay taxes. Your tax dollars are not voluntary - so you've committed no great benevolent act.
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But to the point, I would bet that if you let people pick where their tax money goes, paying for medical treatment for the poor would get funded long before Wars for Oil and Welfare for Zionists, your favorite programs.
So then why don't you simply solve that pesky little Constitutional problem by amending the Constitution to make healthcare the responsibility of the federal government (you know, since sooo many people support your socialism over defense)? Oh wait, that's right, because you can't get the votes for it
Which just proves that you are full of shit and lying through your teeth as usual
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Death of Nataline Sarkisyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sarkisyan had health insurance coverage under the employer coverage of her parents
Parents = both. It doesn't say Father's insurance.
Know what I find odd, I can't find any reference to the Father anymore.
Hilda Sarkisyan, Northridge Real Estate Expert - Top Real Estate Agent
Perhaps you should look into the facts of the whole story before you throw out a name.
This tragedy was about much more than a mere liver transplant.
Uh, yeah, it is true.
And, no, Cigna can't be prosecuted. The court found that because Nataline's Dad's employer had paid for the insurance, he had no standing to sue them.
Uh, no, it's not true.
This was your original quote:
...a Nataline Sarkisyan. She was the girl who needed a liver transplant, but Cigna denied her coverage and fought her dad in court AFTER the man had worked for and paid for insurance.
Can't have it both ways, dude.
Try to spin it as much as you want but your own words tell a different story, period!
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Who cares that you paid into Cigna?!? When this girl was denied further treatment by Cigna, why didn't YOU stand up and pay for her healthcare needs?
Because JoeB. only cares about JoeB.
Ayn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping moral philosophy that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.
Her books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).
As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.
Rand also believed that the scientific consensus on the dangers of tobacco was a hoax. By 1974, the two-pack-a-day smoker, then 69, required surgery for lung cancer. And it was at that moment of vulnerability that she succumbed to the lure of collectivism.
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The initial argument was on greed, Pryor continued. She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didnt watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didnt feel that an individual should take help.
Here's the thing, as I explained to you the last time you tried to pass this shit off. Nobody was going to war over the cutting edge weapon of 1914. Bush claimed there were nuclear and biological weapons. There weren't. A weapon that can only spread damage over an acre and is easily foiled with a gas mask just isn't that scary. And most of what was found was expired, outdated or impotent.
Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Alternet
Ayn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping moral philosophy that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well.
Her books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).
As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.
Rand also believed that the scientific consensus on the dangers of tobacco was a hoax. By 1974, the two-pack-a-day smoker, then 69, required surgery for lung cancer. And it was at that moment of vulnerability that she succumbed to the lure of collectivism.
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The initial argument was on greed, Pryor continued. She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didnt watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didnt feel that an individual should take help.
Sorry, Poodle, your "Hero" went hat in hand to the "Communists" and asked for help.
Or, and get this... paying more money into a broken system doesn't fix the system, dipshit.
Here's how it goes. The insurance companies NOW have to do what they promised.
No more lying, no more cheating, we'll let them have a few more years before we put everyone on medicare, which is what we should have done to start with.
Uh, served for 11 years. Five as a reservist, six active duty. Got out at the rank of E-6, MOS 76y30. But I did get out after the first Gulf War because I was disgusted by the whole thing.
yeah, when you get a racist jury tryng a white man for murdering a black child, that's the result you get. Just ask Emmett Till.
Why should I pay money when the money is already out there.
Once more time. We spend more than ANY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. But that money is going to pay assholes like Ed Hanaway 9 figure retirement packages and investors on wall street playing casino when it SHOULD be going to pay medical bills. I paid my taxes, I pay my co-pay to Cigna. And now I'm insisted the money be used for the purpose it was meant for. What a fucking concept.
Here's the thing, as I explained to you the last time you tried to pass this shit off. Nobody was going to war over the cutting edge weapon of 1914. Bush claimed there were nuclear and biological weapons. There weren't. A weapon that can only spread damage over an acre and is easily foiled with a gas mask just isn't that scary. And most of what was found was expired, outdated or impotent.
Most of the world, doctors are not compensated as well as they are in the US. They are actually in it because they want to heal the sick.
So one more time, are you willing to let a poor child die because her parents can't pay for treatment?
