The Parade Of Shame -- Palin's Corporate Sponsors

[Madeline]

And what does any of that have to do with her outdoor activities and family life in Alaska?

(And much of your list is nonsense.)

There were several items pertaining to the environment, boedicca. The Infidel asked me why I despise her, and I replied. Nobody has to agree with me, but IMO these items are hardly "nonsense".

 

[tinydancer]

The links are the underlined items in my post, tinydancer.

Aye carumba! I'll hit this harder tomorrow, but that list contains sources that haven't backed up their facts.

For example the issue of the rape kits. I don't give a shit that someone reported this in the "news". It was disproved.

I have it in my other post.

And even in the CNN report from your own link, go back and read it carefully. Where's the proof?


This is all heresay. I just gave you testimony under oath. Where are the invoices?

All these lawyers that went to Alaska... all these accusations....not one fucking invoice. It's bullshit.

 

[Madeline]

There is no CNN source linked in my post, tinydancer.

 

[tinydancer]

And what does any of that have to do with her outdoor activities and family life in Alaska?

(And much of your list is nonsense.)

There were several items pertaining to the environment, boedicca. The Infidel asked me why I despise her, and I replied. Nobody has to agree with me, but IMO these items are hardly "nonsense".

Re: environment.

On that I'll throw up the Alaska Constitution which mandates that the Governor and the government MUST practice predator control in support of First Nations food supplies.

No option. None. Zip. Nada. The wolf and bear hunts must be carried out.

Boy oh boy. I'll try to find time tomorrow and tackle the most outrageous of the accusations that are off the wall.

The other issues are common and the country is divided on.

Yes, she is opposed to abortion. Many are. And many are pro choice. As a matter of fact, the President wouldn't take a position on botched abortions where the baby lived and then was allowed to die without medical attention in Illinois. I call that extreme. (this is when he was a state senator)

Yes she is opposed to same sex marriage, but so is the President and the Vice President. And many are pro same sex marriage.

But these positions are just part of the makeup of the population these days, for and against.

The other accusations like the charging of the rape kit and "wolf killer" are out to lunch.

 

[tinydancer]

There is no CNN source linked in my post, tinydancer.

With all due respect, it's in your link.

While mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for rape kits
Sarah Palin’s hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

Former state Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, sponsored a state law requiring cities to provide th examinations free of charge to victims. He said the only ongoing resistance he met was from Wasilla, where Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002. “It was one of those things everyone could agree on except Wasilla,” Croft said. “We couldn’t convince the chief of police to stop charging them.“

Alaska’s Legislature in 2000 banned the practice of charging women for rape exam kits -- which experts said could cost up to $1,000. Some supporters of Palin say they believe she had no knowledge of the practice. But critics call it ”outrageous“ and question Palin’s commitment to helping women who are the victims of violence.

Alaska has the worst record of any state in rape. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.


Source: Jessica Yellin on CNN.com Sep 22, 2008

whoopsies. I'm tired. Apologies.

Go to this section in the link you gave me.

* Use my daughter Bristol as a teaching tool for others. (Oct 2008)
* Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy. (Oct 2008)
* Abortion should be states’ issue, not federal mandate. (Oct 2008)
* While mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for rape kits. (Sep 2008)******************
* Rejected sympathy for Down’s Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
* Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
* Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
* Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
* Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
* Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
* Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
* If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what’s next. (Oct 2006)
* Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
* Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
* Only exception for abortion is if mother’s life would end. (Jul 2006)

When you click on the one I put the stars beside it takes you to the CNN idiotic report with no proof. And BTW I hate the media when they do this to anyone.

Latest trick these days is to pick up a rumour off a blog site and then the MSM can report what the blogger says with impunity.

Absence of malice and the jerks can get away with a screaming headline and bury the retraction days later after the damage is done.

And I'm truly non partisan in my hatred of the media for pulling this shit on people.

 

[Madeline]

If OnTheIssues.org is a CNN source, I was not aware of that, tiny dancer. If I recall, Palin discusses the charge back to victims for processing rape kits in her book, "Going Rogue", but feel free to research this.

Nobody's voting tonight; get some rest. I hope you sleep well and wake refreshed.

 

[California Girl]

There is no CNN source linked in my post, tinydancer.

With all due respect, it's in your link.

While mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for rape kits
Sarah Palin’s hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

Former state Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, sponsored a state law requiring cities to provide th examinations free of charge to victims. He said the only ongoing resistance he met was from Wasilla, where Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002. “It was one of those things everyone could agree on except Wasilla,” Croft said. “We couldn’t convince the chief of police to stop charging them.“

Alaska’s Legislature in 2000 banned the practice of charging women for rape exam kits -- which experts said could cost up to $1,000. Some supporters of Palin say they believe she had no knowledge of the practice. But critics call it ”outrageous“ and question Palin’s commitment to helping women who are the victims of violence.

Alaska has the worst record of any state in rape. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.


Source: Jessica Yellin on CNN.com Sep 22, 2008

whoopsies. I'm tired. Apologies.

Go to this section in the link you gave me.

* Use my daughter Bristol as a teaching tool for others. (Oct 2008)
* Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy. (Oct 2008)
* Abortion should be states’ issue, not federal mandate. (Oct 2008)
* While mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for rape kits. (Sep 2008)******************
* Rejected sympathy for Down’s Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
* Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
* Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
* Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
* Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
* Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
* Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
* If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what’s next. (Oct 2006)
* Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
* Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
* Only exception for abortion is if mother’s life would end. (Jul 2006)

When you click on the one I put the stars beside it takes you to the CNN idiotic report with no proof. And BTW I hate the media when they do this to anyone.

Latest trick these days is to pick up a rumour off a blog site and then the MSM can report what the blogger says with impunity.

Absence of malice and the jerks can get away with a screaming headline and bury the retraction days later after the damage is done.

And I'm truly non partisan in my hatred of the media for pulling this shit on people.

Your point about picking up rumors from blogs is well made. I see this happening more and more.... a lie repeated becomes truth... except that it doesn't, it was, is and always will be, a lie... but people will point to MSM as validation of that lie. Which is why it is pretty meaningless to validate with the MSM.

 

[Montrovant]

Well, this thread is full of ridiculousness

Boycotting the companies that sponsor the show is ridiculous. Anyone is free to do it if they want to, but not only do I not see it doing any good, I don't think sponsoring the show is in any way a show of support for Palin, her politics or any ambitions she has. It's about money IMO.

That said, claiming Madeline is trying to curtail anyone's rights, prevent anyone's free expression, using 'Stalinist' tactics, etc. is equally ridiculous. However foolish, worthless, or just plain stupid her actions may be, they aren't infringing on anyone's rights. If she boycotted the sponsors of a show she simply found badly made, I doubt anyone would care enough to fill up a thread like this with complaints about Madeline's suppression of speech or whatever other silly claims have been made here. She is free to buy or not buy whatever products she chooses, she is free to email or call any companies she wants to voice her complaints, and they are free to continue to sponsor the show whether she likes it or not. Personally, I'd be happy if the sponsors of all reality shows were boycotted Then perhaps we wouldn't have so damn many of them using up time that might be filled with actual quality programs!

So, boycott away, Maddy! It's not going to change anything and I think your reasoning is flawed, but it's your dime and your time. And those of you trying to make it seem that Maddy's actions are curtailing your rights, feel free to keep going with that, but you are wrong.

P.S. - I didn't bother reading the entire thread, did anyone get around to blaming Bush?

 

[Madeline]

Why thankies, Montrovant! I applaud your excellent analysis.

No one has blamed Bush for anything yet on this thread.....would you like to go first?

 

[GWV5903]

Volkswagen Group of America:
Target Corporation:
Bally Total Fitness Inc.
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.:
Yahoo!
Troy-Built (owned by MTD)
Frito-Lay (ad was for Sunchips)
Proctor & Gamble (Gillette razors)
Unilever Products (Dove Soap and Degree Deodorant)
Nationwide
Sprint
S. C. Johnson & Son, Inc. (Pledge dusting products)
Disney
Chase
Google
Bose
Intuit
Walgreens
Lowes
Blue dog food
T Mobile
Crayola
Sensodyne
Kayak.com
Martini & Rossi
Breathe Right
Ilovealpacas.com

I intend to write the executives of each and every one of these companies to tell them I plan to boycott their products unless the stop advertising on Palin's Nature show on TLC. I hope you will do the same.

Get this fuckwhit off the air.

You couldn't make it any clearer why you are a retired lawyer.....

I will thank God from this day forward that you are/should.....

 

[Madeline]

Am I supposed to infer some sort of point from your post, GWV5903?

 

[newpolitics]

You could just choose not to watch it.

No no. That would never do. Libs must impose their taste and determinations on the rest of us! It's in the rules.

right, because right wing Christians don't want to censor anything that has 'sex and violence' and could possibily lead their precious stupid children into tempation, and expose the fact that they don't know how to parent their children? Please, most of the censorship comes from the 'traditionalist' viewpoints of the conservative party who are trying to take us back to the 1950's culture of 'everything is perfect' (on appearance). They decry Hollywood completely, so a comment like this is completely hypocritical.

 

[Immanuel]

Why I Despise Sarah Palin (List Is Not Exhaustive) In No Special Order Of Importance.....

* She wants to recriminalize abortion. Palin would outlaw abortion even in cases of rape and incest; she's as extreme as it is possible to be.

* She opposes stem cell research.

* During her term of office as Mayor of Wasilla, she had the police charge rape victims to collect and process rape kits.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* She is opposed to same-sex marriage.

* Opposes any private company or the government offering benefits to employees' partners in same sex domestic partnerships.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Vindictive and unethical. "Troopergate" concerned Palin's termination of Alaska's Public Safety Director for refusing to fire her brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten.

What the Troopergate Report Really Says - TIME

* Cannot fulfill any commitment. Walked off as Governor of Alaska twice; temporarialy when picked as McCain's running mate and permanently when ethics complaints arising from her Veep run appeared likely to be successful.

* Wants creationism taught in public schools (as an alternative to evolution).

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Sued the federal EPA to evade the Endangered Species Act.

* Wants energy independence through "more coal, more oil, more gas and more nukes" rather than through any form of conservation.

* "Drill, baby, drill".

* Rejects global warming as man-made.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposed protection of salmon from mining contamination.

* Sued federal government to take polar bears off the endangered species list.

* Supports killing wolves from helicopters and planes.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposes "explicit" sex education in public schools.

* Criticized conflicts of interest in others (voting on matters of concern to a campaign donor) but did the very same thing herself.

* Created dissent bordering on paralysis in every government office she has ever held.

* Supports ending DC's 32 year old ban on handguns.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Lied about Obamacare providing for "death panels".

Politico equates Palin's "Death Panel" lie with saying Bush misled public about Iraq | Media Matters for America

* Wants to bring back the McCarthy era "loyalty oath".

Sarah Palin on the Issues

One question, Madeline, why on earth do you think fifth graders should be taught "explicit" sex education?

Make it two... are you really for showing porn in the fifth grade classroom?

Immie

 

[asterism]

And what does any of that have to do with her outdoor activities and family life in Alaska?

(And much of your list is nonsense.)

There were several items pertaining to the environment, boedicca. The Infidel asked me why I despise her, and I replied. Nobody has to agree with me, but IMO these items are hardly "nonsense".

One of the reasons you despise Palin is because she opposes same sex marriage, a position both John McCain and Barack Obama hold. Are we to assume you didn't vote for either candidate?

 

[Madeline]

Why I Despise Sarah Palin (List Is Not Exhaustive) In No Special Order Of Importance.....

* She wants to recriminalize abortion. Palin would outlaw abortion even in cases of rape and incest; she's as extreme as it is possible to be.

* She opposes stem cell research.

* During her term of office as Mayor of Wasilla, she had the police charge rape victims to collect and process rape kits.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* She is opposed to same-sex marriage.

* Opposes any private company or the government offering benefits to employees' partners in same sex domestic partnerships.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Vindictive and unethical. "Troopergate" concerned Palin's termination of Alaska's Public Safety Director for refusing to fire her brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten.

What the Troopergate Report Really Says - TIME

* Cannot fulfill any commitment. Walked off as Governor of Alaska twice; temporarialy when picked as McCain's running mate and permanently when ethics complaints arising from her Veep run appeared likely to be successful.

* Wants creationism taught in public schools (as an alternative to evolution).

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Sued the federal EPA to evade the Endangered Species Act.

* Wants energy independence through "more coal, more oil, more gas and more nukes" rather than through any form of conservation.

* "Drill, baby, drill".

* Rejects global warming as man-made.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposed protection of salmon from mining contamination.

* Sued federal government to take polar bears off the endangered species list.

* Supports killing wolves from helicopters and planes.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposes "explicit" sex education in public schools.

* Criticized conflicts of interest in others (voting on matters of concern to a campaign donor) but did the very same thing herself.

* Created dissent bordering on paralysis in every government office she has ever held.

* Supports ending DC's 32 year old ban on handguns.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Lied about Obamacare providing for "death panels".

Politico equates Palin's "Death Panel" lie with saying Bush misled public about Iraq | Media Matters for America

* Wants to bring back the McCarthy era "loyalty oath".

Sarah Palin on the Issues

One question, Madeline, why on earth do you think fifth graders should be taught "explicit" sex education?

Make it two... are you really for showing porn in the fifth grade classroom?

Immie

Well, for starters I am not sure when sex ed should commence but there is far too much sexual activity in middle school these days to wait much longer, Immie. I dun see why the cirriculum cannot be geared towards the age -- I'd teach different things to different ages. I oppose spending money on "abstinence education". Abstinence is a value that should be taught at home and spending money to not teach sex ed strikes me as bizzare-o.

We know, scientifically, that children do not become sexually active merely because they have reliable sex information. We know they get pregnant or ill from practices they falsely believe are safe when such information is withheld. We know not every parent is equipped to explain the birds and the bees, and that each child in your family must live in a society that will be full of sexual ignoramuses unless the subject is taught in school.

We pay a heavy price for our squeamishness about allowing children to know how their bodies work, sexually. I think that's avoidable suffering all of us would be better off giving a miss.

I see no reason whatsoever to be screening porn flicks in schools, and I dun consider most porn to have any educational value whatsoever. This comment of yours made zero sense, unless you think every depiction of sex organs is inherently pornographic -- a problem I cannot aid you with.

 

[Madeline]

And what does any of that have to do with her outdoor activities and family life in Alaska?

(And much of your list is nonsense.)

There were several items pertaining to the environment, boedicca. The Infidel asked me why I despise her, and I replied. Nobody has to agree with me, but IMO these items are hardly "nonsense".

One of the reasons you despise Palin is because she opposes same sex marriage, a position both John McCain and Barack Obama hold. Are we to assume you didn't vote for either candidate?

I voted for Obama. I chose the best of some bad options on this issue....but neither McCain nor Obama has promised to misuse the office of POTUS to frustrate the rights of GLBT people. BTW, I have repeatedly trashed Obama since he took office for failing to keep his promises to GLBT voters.

I consider Palin a grave threat to the well-being of such people, who are my fellow Americans, and it is just one of dozens of examples where she finds fault, discards an entire group and then appeals to those who remain as "real Americans". This tactic is evil, IMO.

 

[Si modo]

Good gawd! She is STILL going on about this?!!???



If only Madeline was as hot and personable as Palin, then we could all be spared Madeline's drama.

 

[Immanuel]

Why I Despise Sarah Palin (List Is Not Exhaustive) In No Special Order Of Importance.....

* She wants to recriminalize abortion. Palin would outlaw abortion even in cases of rape and incest; she's as extreme as it is possible to be.

* She opposes stem cell research.

* During her term of office as Mayor of Wasilla, she had the police charge rape victims to collect and process rape kits.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* She is opposed to same-sex marriage.

* Opposes any private company or the government offering benefits to employees' partners in same sex domestic partnerships.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Vindictive and unethical. "Troopergate" concerned Palin's termination of Alaska's Public Safety Director for refusing to fire her brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten.

What the Troopergate Report Really Says - TIME

* Cannot fulfill any commitment. Walked off as Governor of Alaska twice; temporarialy when picked as McCain's running mate and permanently when ethics complaints arising from her Veep run appeared likely to be successful.

* Wants creationism taught in public schools (as an alternative to evolution).

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Sued the federal EPA to evade the Endangered Species Act.

* Wants energy independence through "more coal, more oil, more gas and more nukes" rather than through any form of conservation.

* "Drill, baby, drill".

* Rejects global warming as man-made.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposed protection of salmon from mining contamination.

* Sued federal government to take polar bears off the endangered species list.

* Supports killing wolves from helicopters and planes.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Opposes "explicit" sex education in public schools.

* Criticized conflicts of interest in others (voting on matters of concern to a campaign donor) but did the very same thing herself.

* Created dissent bordering on paralysis in every government office she has ever held.

* Supports ending DC's 32 year old ban on handguns.

Sarah Palin on the Issues

* Lied about Obamacare providing for "death panels".

Politico equates Palin's "Death Panel" lie with saying Bush misled public about Iraq | Media Matters for America

* Wants to bring back the McCarthy era "loyalty oath".

Sarah Palin on the Issues

One question, Madeline, why on earth do you think fifth graders should be taught "explicit" sex education?

Make it two... are you really for showing porn in the fifth grade classroom?

Immie

Well, for starters I am not sure when sex ed should commence but there is far too much sexual activity in middle school these days to wait much longer, Immie. I dun see why the cirriculum cannot be geared towards the age -- I'd teach different things to different ages. I oppose spending money on "abstinence education". Abstinence is a value that should be taught at home and spending money to not teach sex ed strikes me as bizzare-o.

We know, scientifically, that children do not become sexually active merely because they have reliable sex information. We know they get pregnant or ill from practices they falsely believe are safe when such information is withheld. We know not every parent is equipped to explain the birds and the bees, and that each child in your family must live in a society that will be full of sexual ignoramuses unless the subject is taught in school.

We pay a heavy price for our squeamishness about allowing children to know how their bodies work, sexually. I think that's avoidable suffering all of us would be better off giving a miss.

I see no reason whatsoever to be screening porn flicks in schools, and I dun consider most porn to have any educational value whatsoever. This comment of yours made zero sense, unless you think every depiction of sex organs is inherently pornographic -- a problem I cannot aid you with.

Your first post on this indicates that you don't like Sarah Palin because she opposes "explicit" sex education. Explicit sex mean porn. That seems to say to me that you support showing children porn in school.

I find it disturbing when any intelligent adult, and I do believe you are intelligent, says they are opposed to teaching abstinence to children. I do not believe in "abstinence only" sex education, but I believe we should be teaching our children that there is not a damned thing wrong with waiting to have sex. Not a damned thing at all.

Why on earth do you oppose teaching kids that it is okay to wait?

Immie

 

[Wicked Jester]

I've known a couple o' crazy old bats in my time....One of 'em was Miss Kreglo. She lived up the street from my elementary school. She would save rotten oranges off her tree and throw 'em at the school kids when they walked by in front of her house on what she claimed was "MY FUCKIN' SIDEWALK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS!!....The COPS used to drag her ass out of her house on a regular basis and take her for the ol' 72 hour psyche hold.

I always wondered what happened to Miss Kreglo....I think I now know.

 

[rikules]

I particularly enjoy seeing Google and Crayola on the list.

GOOG is truly EVUL, but who amongst us suspected the truly diabolical agenda of the seductive Crayola Crayon?

palin is as qualified to be president of the U.S. as my pet gerbil

if conservatives are as rational and intelligent as they claim why do they support palin for pres instead of colin powell, or john mccain, 2 people who are far more qualified than palin....??

I have a feeling that conservative support for palin is proportional to liberal contempt for her