The Political Spectrum of Individual Liberty

[cnm]

I love it.

Almost as though unpaid labour was not coerced by the founders...Almost

 

[Ringtone]

And now you divert to “illegal immigration” which was never part of the discussion?! Pathetic. Stick to the topic and stop making shit up that I didn’t say.

You complained about THE WALL, that the building of THE WALL and liberty were somehow mutually exclusive! Why do tens of millions of Americans support the building of THE WALL? To keep Americans from escaping? What in the world did you think I was talking about all this time? What does legal immigration have to do with the building of THE WALL?

I'm diverting?! You're as obtuse as a pile of bricks.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

I am a 2.5 on that chart. Piss on Liberty robbing Liberals. Collectivism sucks. Individual Liberty rocks.

I'm about a 4.

About the same here. 4

 

[Slade3200]

And now you divert to “illegal immigration” which was never part of the discussion?! Pathetic. Stick to the topic and stop making shit up that I didn’t say.

You complained about THE WALL, that the building of THE WALL and liberty were somehow mutually exclusive! Why do tens of millions of Americans support the building of THE WALL? To keep Americans from escaping? What in the world did you think I was talking about all this time? What does legal immigration have to do with the building of THE WALL?

I'm diverting?! You're as obtuse as a pile of bricks.

You’re being dishonest again. What’s your deal?! I asked a question regarding the wall but my statement was regarding open borders and liberty. I never complained about the wall. Prove your not a liar and post the quote where I complained about the wall. Post my quote where I claimed building the wall and liberty were mutually exclusive.

If you go back and look for the quote you will see what I really wrote and how you’ve done nothing but lie, distort and spin in reply. Pathetic. Do better

 

[Ringtone]

If you go back and look for the quote you will see what I really wrote and how you’ve done nothing but lie, distort and spin in reply. Pathetic. Do better

I'm not being dishonest, but it now seems from your last post that I have misunderstood you. You wrote earlier that "[o]pen borders is true liberty". I don't agree with that. My reference point is the classical liberalism of the Lockean tradition of natural law, the sociopolitical theory on which this nation was founded. We the people have every right in the world to stop illegal immigration. This nation and its resources are our property, not that of the world. The reason our southern border is being overrun is precisely because folks are fleeing nations whose governments are corrupt and oppressive failures. We cannot be the world's welfare state, and these governments need to be forced to reform, not allowed to let off the steam across our border as they continue to pillage their peoples. Outcomes matter! The political spectrum is bottomed on the Lockean tradition, true liberty.

 

[Slade3200]

If you go back and look for the quote you will see what I really wrote and how you’ve done nothing but lie, distort and spin in reply. Pathetic. Do better

I'm not being dishonest, but it now seems from your last post that I have misunderstood you. You wrote earlier that "[o]pen borders is true liberty". I don't agree with that. My reference point is the classical liberalism of the Lockean tradition of natural law, the sociopolitical theory on which this nation was founded. We the people have every right in the world to stop illegal immigration. This nation and its resources are our property, not that of the world. The reason our southern border is being overrun is precisely because folks are fleeing nations whose governments are corrupt and oppressive failures. We cannot be the world's welfare state, and theses governments need to be forced to reform, not allowed to let off the steam across our border as they continue to pillage their peoples. Outcomes matter! The political spectrum is bottomed on the Lockean tradition, true liberty.

I agree with some of that. I do believe we should protect our border and do a much better job managing immigration. I find it interesting that you want to force other countries to reform. How would you go about doing that?

 

[Ringtone]

If you go back and look for the quote you will see what I really wrote and how you’ve done nothing but lie, distort and spin in reply. Pathetic. Do better

I'm not being dishonest, but it now seems from your last post that I have misunderstood you. You wrote earlier that "[o]pen borders is true liberty". I don't agree with that. My reference point is the classical liberalism of the Lockean tradition of natural law, the sociopolitical theory on which this nation was founded. We the people have every right in the world to stop illegal immigration. This nation and its resources are our property, not that of the world. The reason our southern border is being overrun is precisely because folks are fleeing nations whose governments are corrupt and oppressive failures. We cannot be the world's welfare state, and theses governments need to be forced to reform, not allowed to let off the steam across our border as they continue to pillage their peoples. Outcomes matter! The political spectrum is bottomed on the Lockean tradition, true liberty.

I agree with some of that. I do believe we should protect our border and do a much better job managing immigration. I find it interesting that you want to force other countries to reform. How would you go about doing that?

We've been talking past one another. Put the blame on me. Good question. That's the thing. We secure the border and nix the incentives to jump it. Build the wall, require E-verify, prosecute employers that exploit and officials (leftist politicians and judges) who subvert immigration law, and institute a merit-based system. We need to defeat the lunatic left, and reform immigration law accordingly. This business of sanctuary zones is lawlessness, and the motive of the left is to turn America into a socialist wasteland. We don't need to nor should we directly force other governments to change. Stop the flow. The people of these countries need to rise up and fend for their rights, not steal from us.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Mussolini and Hitler both opposed free-market capitalism. Who in modern America is generally opposed to free-market capitalism? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of education. Who in modern America supports government takeover of education? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of healthcare. Who in modern America supports government takeover of healthcare? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported high taxation to fund their societal dreams. Who in modern America supports high taxation to fund their societal dreams? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported endless government regulations to control business and citizens. Who in modern America supports endless government regulations to control business and citizens? The Democrats.

In spite of all of that, Hitler and Mussolini are "far-right"?

Just about everyone supports national healthcare, and national education.

Basically just prehistoric Hicks don't support such notions.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I love it.

Almost as though unpaid labour was not coerced by the founders...Almost

The Founding Fathers were actually more like Fascists, than anything of today.

Besides, the Founding Fathers didn't invent the political spectrum. It was invented in France where Capitalists, and Democracy supporters formed the first Leftists, while Authoritarians for tradition, and religious values supported the Monarchists on the Right.

 

[Oddball]

 

[OKTexas]

Mussolini and Hitler both opposed free-market capitalism. Who in modern America is generally opposed to free-market capitalism? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of education. Who in modern America supports government takeover of education? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of healthcare. Who in modern America supports government takeover of healthcare? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported high taxation to fund their societal dreams. Who in modern America supports high taxation to fund their societal dreams? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported endless government regulations to control business and citizens. Who in modern America supports endless government regulations to control business and citizens? The Democrats.

In spite of all of that, Hitler and Mussolini are "far-right"?

Just about everyone supports national healthcare, and national education.

Basically just prehistoric Hicks don't support such notions.

Bullshit, both go completely against the concept of federalism.

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[Natural Citizen]

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I used to really enjoy debating the ancaps. It wasn't mean spirited like when you're debating one of the mainstream party hooligans.

 

[Oddball]

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I used to really enjoy debating the ancaps. It wasn't mean spirited like when you're debating one of the mainstream party hooligans.

I also have a foot in the agorist camp....But the ancaps have spicier memes.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I also have a foot in the agorist camp....But the ancaps have spicier memes.

If there was an Age of Empires type of game where the different civilizations were just different political factions, I'd likely pick the agorists and play as them. Heh heh.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Mussolini and Hitler both opposed free-market capitalism. Who in modern America is generally opposed to free-market capitalism? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of education. Who in modern America supports government takeover of education? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported government takeover of healthcare. Who in modern America supports government takeover of healthcare? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported high taxation to fund their societal dreams. Who in modern America supports high taxation to fund their societal dreams? The Democrats.

Mussolini and Hitler supported endless government regulations to control business and citizens. Who in modern America supports endless government regulations to control business and citizens? The Democrats.

In spite of all of that, Hitler and Mussolini are "far-right"?

Just about everyone supports national healthcare, and national education.

Basically just prehistoric Hicks don't support such notions.

Bullshit, both go completely against the concept of federalism.

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Probably 90% of the World supports national healthcare, and national education. LOL

The Founding Fathers supported government healthcare for marines.

An Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen - Wikipedia

There were a number of early public schools.

List of the oldest public high schools in the United States - Wikipedia