The Reality of Man Made Global Warming Shows Up In Michigan.

[westwall]

Man makes the climate change. Interesting.
How did our 200K year old species do it 3 billion years ago?

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

We were exiting the Little Ice Age at the start of the industrial revolution.. SO your claiming that all of the warming is man made when it is easily shown to be natural variation?

The only "coincidence" is the fact we have just left an active solar phase (which created the increased heat) and our warming is coming to an end..

What little ice age are you talking about. There have been at least a few in historical times. And for those that did happen, could something like the eruption of Krakatoa have anything to do with it?

He's referring to the one that came to an end in 1850. All of the warming we have experienced since then is taking us back UP to where we used to be.

 

[coolhardy]

Wow! Are you full of crap! Each year all the volcanoes on earth release about 200 million tons of CO2 into the environment. The activities of humans are responsible for the release of about 26.8 BILLION tons. Like it or not, CO2 IS leading the way.s

You are dodging the question. The question you responded to has nothing to do with volcanoes. It was regarding whether rises in ambient temperature tend to precede rises of the CO2 levels in the ambient air or vice-versa.The fact that you dodged the question strongly indicates that you either have no clue or that you know that you are being deceptive.

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

Really? Water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

And water vapor gets rained out in under 10 days, whereas CO2 is there for many decades. So the effect is that CO2 warms the atmosphere, which warms the oceans, resulting in more evaporation, which results in more warming.

Yes, water vapor is a more potent GHG than CO2, but it is is dependent on the long term warming of CO2. And the feedback effect is already noticeable in the much larger precipitation events we are now seeing.

Bull poo. RT for CO2 ACCORDING to the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed studies is under 10 years. It is ONLY the ipcc who claims otherwise.

Let me guess. You think that the CO2 humans are responsible for has nothing to do with this graph.

 

[coolhardy]

Been there, done that.

And did you find that the rise in CO2 preceded the rise in temperature? Or did you find that the rise in temperature preceded the rise in CO2 like all of us climatologists.

Wow! Are you full of crap! Each year all the volcanoes on earth release about 200 million tons of CO2 into the environment. The activities of humans are responsible for the release of about 26.8 BILLION tons. Like it or not, CO2 IS leading the way.s

You are dodging the question. The question you responded to has nothing to do with volcanoes. It was regarding whether rises in ambient temperature tend to precede rises of the CO2 levels in the ambient air or vice-versa.The fact that you dodged the question strongly indicates that you either have no clue or that you know that you are being deceptive.

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

Really? Water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

Who is talking about water vapor.

 

[coolhardy]

Coolhardy, the deniers on this board will say anything, tell any lie, to cover their vast ignorance and outright deceit. They are, for the most part, really dumb assholes.

Old Rocks

Don't you climategate deniers ever get tired of talking about yourself?

If only there was a loser icon I could click on for people like you.

 

[PredFan]

I live in a town with a river running through it. For all my life, it has frozen over in the winter. In fact, one time when I was a kid, there were icebergs that pushed into the shore of Saginaw bay. These pushed up slabs of ice about three feet thick on to the shore. Destroying some shore front homes. This year, for one day, there was ice on the river thick enough for at least one foolhardy ice fisherman to brave ice fishing. The river has been largely ice free ever sense. Being mid January, there should be ice fishermen around on the river. But it is mostly just open water. Anybody who says man made global warming isn't real can blow it out their ass.

Anyone stupid enough to think that that story proves man-made climate change, is well, stupid enough to believe in it.

 

[westwall]

You are dodging the question. The question you responded to has nothing to do with volcanoes. It was regarding whether rises in ambient temperature tend to precede rises of the CO2 levels in the ambient air or vice-versa.The fact that you dodged the question strongly indicates that you either have no clue or that you know that you are being deceptive.

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

Really? Water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

And water vapor gets rained out in under 10 days, whereas CO2 is there for many decades. So the effect is that CO2 warms the atmosphere, which warms the oceans, resulting in more evaporation, which results in more warming.

Yes, water vapor is a more potent GHG than CO2, but it is is dependent on the long term warming of CO2. And the feedback effect is already noticeable in the much larger precipitation events we are now seeing.

Bull poo. RT for CO2 ACCORDING to the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed studies is under 10 years. It is ONLY the ipcc who claims otherwise.

Let me guess. You think that the CO2 humans are responsible for has nothing to do with this graph.

Considering man contributes slightly less than 5% of the ENTIRE global CO2 budget you would be correct.

 

[coolhardy]

Man makes the climate change. Interesting.
How did our 200K year old species do it 3 billion years ago?

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

We were exiting the Little Ice Age at the start of the industrial revolution.. SO your claiming that all of the warming is man made when it is easily shown to be natural variation?

The only "coincidence" is the fact we have just left an active solar phase (which created the increased heat) and our warming is coming to an end..

What little ice age are you talking about. There have been at least a few in historical times. And for those that did happen, could something like the eruption of Krakatoa have anything to do with it?

He's referring to the one that came to an end in 1850. All of the warming we have experienced since then is taking us back UP to where we used to be.

It doesn't matter. He and you are still full of crap. Why not tell me more about how the earth used to be a lot hotter a billion years ago.

 

[coolhardy]

I live in a town with a river running through it. For all my life, it has frozen over in the winter. In fact, one time when I was a kid, there were icebergs that pushed into the shore of Saginaw bay. These pushed up slabs of ice about three feet thick on to the shore. Destroying some shore front homes. This year, for one day, there was ice on the river thick enough for at least one foolhardy ice fisherman to brave ice fishing. The river has been largely ice free ever sense. Being mid January, there should be ice fishermen around on the river. But it is mostly just open water. Anybody who says man made global warming isn't real can blow it out their ass.

Anyone stupid enough to think that that story proves man-made climate change, is well, stupid enough to believe in it.

I doubt if at any time sense the last ice age the river had failed to freeze over for at least a couple weeks. At LEAST.

 

[westwall]

Man makes the climate change. Interesting.
How did our 200K year old species do it 3 billion years ago?

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

We were exiting the Little Ice Age at the start of the industrial revolution.. SO your claiming that all of the warming is man made when it is easily shown to be natural variation?

The only "coincidence" is the fact we have just left an active solar phase (which created the increased heat) and our warming is coming to an end..

What little ice age are you talking about. There have been at least a few in historical times. And for those that did happen, could something like the eruption of Krakatoa have anything to do with it?

He's referring to the one that came to an end in 1850. All of the warming we have experienced since then is taking us back UP to where we used to be.

It doesn't matter. He and you are still full of crap. Why not tell me more about how the earth used to be a lot hotter a billion years ago.

History and science back us up. Not you. You can call us all the names you wish but the reality is there IS no scientific support for the AGW theory. That is a fact. Your silly name calling isn't.

 

[PredFan]

I live in a town with a river running through it. For all my life, it has frozen over in the winter. In fact, one time when I was a kid, there were icebergs that pushed into the shore of Saginaw bay. These pushed up slabs of ice about three feet thick on to the shore. Destroying some shore front homes. This year, for one day, there was ice on the river thick enough for at least one foolhardy ice fisherman to brave ice fishing. The river has been largely ice free ever sense. Being mid January, there should be ice fishermen around on the river. But it is mostly just open water. Anybody who says man made global warming isn't real can blow it out their ass.

Anyone stupid enough to think that that story proves man-made climate change, is well, stupid enough to believe in it.

I doubt if at any time sense the last ice age the river had failed to freeze over for at least a couple weeks. At LEAST.

Irrelevant. It's completely natural and has nothing at all to do with humans. Nothing in your story proves human activity is responsible.

 

[coolhardy]

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

Are you trying to become the King of Dumb Questions?

Okay, I will answer, the answer is ONE, you only need to say it once, as scientific fact. So go ahead, now is your chance.

It is scientific FACT that CO2 in the atmosphere increases global warming. If you are trying to tell me that the earth somehow is warming when it is supposed to be heading toward another ice age and that causes CO2 to increase, you are barking up the wrong tree. Also, feel like going for a COLD swim? Come to my home town and try to go ice fishing. It is a scientific fact that you will get wet.

Nope. It's a scientific theory. One that has no laboratory, nor empirical data to support. It is a theory wholly based on computer models and falsified data with a healthy dose of correlation tossed in for good measure.

People have been measuring both temperatures and CO2 for decades. CO2 has been leading the way.

 

[westwall]

I live in a town with a river running through it. For all my life, it has frozen over in the winter. In fact, one time when I was a kid, there were icebergs that pushed into the shore of Saginaw bay. These pushed up slabs of ice about three feet thick on to the shore. Destroying some shore front homes. This year, for one day, there was ice on the river thick enough for at least one foolhardy ice fisherman to brave ice fishing. The river has been largely ice free ever sense. Being mid January, there should be ice fishermen around on the river. But it is mostly just open water. Anybody who says man made global warming isn't real can blow it out their ass.

Anyone stupid enough to think that that story proves man-made climate change, is well, stupid enough to believe in it.

I doubt if at any time sense the last ice age the river had failed to freeze over for at least a couple weeks. At LEAST.

And you would be wrong. Which river are you talking about and I will show you.

 

[westwall]

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

Are you trying to become the King of Dumb Questions?

Okay, I will answer, the answer is ONE, you only need to say it once, as scientific fact. So go ahead, now is your chance.

It is scientific FACT that CO2 in the atmosphere increases global warming. If you are trying to tell me that the earth somehow is warming when it is supposed to be heading toward another ice age and that causes CO2 to increase, you are barking up the wrong tree. Also, feel like going for a COLD swim? Come to my home town and try to go ice fishing. It is a scientific fact that you will get wet.

Nope. It's a scientific theory. One that has no laboratory, nor empirical data to support. It is a theory wholly based on computer models and falsified data with a healthy dose of correlation tossed in for good measure.

People have been measuring both temperatures and CO2 for decades. CO2 has been leading the way.

Actually it hasn't. CO2 has continued to increase while the global temps haven't budged in 18+years. The continued claims of "last year was the warmest ever" are all fiction.

 

[coolhardy]

Wow! Are you full of crap! Each year all the volcanoes on earth release about 200 million tons of CO2 into the environment. The activities of humans are responsible for the release of about 26.8 BILLION tons. Like it or not, CO2 IS leading the way.

You are dodging the question. The question you responded to has nothing to do with volcanoes. It was regarding whether rises in ambient temperature tend to precede rises of the CO2 levels in the ambient air or vice-versa.The fact that you dodged the question strongly indicates that you either have no clue or that you know that you are being deceptive.

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

welllllll, you'd have to actually show that it does when EVERY single study has shown that CO2 lags temperature by hundreds of years. So you've already been shot down.

Do you get paid to be a denier fool, or is helping to destroy just fulfill a doomsday cult fetish. You people are like a water balloon. One part gets squeezed and you just puff out someplace else. As I was telling someone else, each year all the volcanoes on earth release 200 million tons of CO2. Each year human activity is responsible for the release of 26.8 BILLION tons! Only a delusional-evil fool would say that an independent rise in global warming is responsible for that. I will show you part of something I copied from a website. It is about real climate scientists talking about real science. You can read the rest by going to a website called, "The lag between temperature and CO2." Read it and weep sucka.

That's cute. You post an OPINION piece that has no corroboration. And you think that is meaningful? Get a clue son, you're dealing with the real world and real scientists here.

Corroboration is the last thing people like you want. Or you would go to the website and corroborate it yourself. I'm sure that whoever wrote the piece would be more than happy to give you more corroboration than you could handle if you contacted them and asked them.

 

[westwall]

You are dodging the question. The question you responded to has nothing to do with volcanoes. It was regarding whether rises in ambient temperature tend to precede rises of the CO2 levels in the ambient air or vice-versa.The fact that you dodged the question strongly indicates that you either have no clue or that you know that you are being deceptive.

How many ways do I need to say that CO2 leads the way.

welllllll, you'd have to actually show that it does when EVERY single study has shown that CO2 lags temperature by hundreds of years. So you've already been shot down.

Do you get paid to be a denier fool, or is helping to destroy just fulfill a doomsday cult fetish. You people are like a water balloon. One part gets squeezed and you just puff out someplace else. As I was telling someone else, each year all the volcanoes on earth release 200 million tons of CO2. Each year human activity is responsible for the release of 26.8 BILLION tons! Only a delusional-evil fool would say that an independent rise in global warming is responsible for that. I will show you part of something I copied from a website. It is about real climate scientists talking about real science. You can read the rest by going to a website called, "The lag between temperature and CO2." Read it and weep sucka.

That's cute. You post an OPINION piece that has no corroboration. And you think that is meaningful? Get a clue son, you're dealing with the real world and real scientists here.

Corroboration is the last thing people like you want. Or you would go to the website and corroborate it yourself. I'm sure that whoever wrote the piece would be more than happy to give you more corroboration than you could handle if you contacted them and asked them.

Wrong. I want factual data. If it confirms AGW so be it. If it doesn't, which so far none has, then so be that too. You see that's the problem with you folks. You rely purely on "faith" that it is occurring. You have no science.

 

[elektra]

From noaa-
What's the hottest Earth's ever been? | NOAA Climate.gov

Our planet probably experienced its hottest temperatures in its earliest days, when it was still colliding with other rocky debris (planetesimals) careening around the solar system. The heat of these collisions would have kept Earth molten, with top-of-the-atmosphere temperatures upward of 3,600° Fahrenheit.

Even after those first scorching millennia, however, the planet has sometimes been much warmer than it is now. One of the warmest times was during the geologic period known as the Neoproterozoic, between 600 and 800 million years ago. Another “warm age” is a period geologists call the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred about 56 million years ago.

You didn't really just say that...

Man makes the climate change. Interesting.
How did our 200K year old species do it 3 billion years ago?

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

Look for yourself.

Probably is not fact or science!

 

[coolhardy]

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

We were exiting the Little Ice Age at the start of the industrial revolution.. SO your claiming that all of the warming is man made when it is easily shown to be natural variation?

The only "coincidence" is the fact we have just left an active solar phase (which created the increased heat) and our warming is coming to an end..

What little ice age are you talking about. There have been at least a few in historical times. And for those that did happen, could something like the eruption of Krakatoa have anything to do with it?

He's referring to the one that came to an end in 1850. All of the warming we have experienced since then is taking us back UP to where we used to be.

It doesn't matter. He and you are still full of crap. Why not tell me more about how the earth used to be a lot hotter a billion years ago.

History and science back us up. Not you. You can call us all the names you wish but the reality is there IS no scientific support for the AGW theory. That is a fact. Your silly name calling isn't.

Like it or not, your "science" is fools science. I have heard it said that if you took an average size globe and put a coat of varnish on it, the thickness of the varnish would be a pretty good approximation of thickness of the earth's atmosphere. And each year, humans are responsible for releasing 26.8 billion tons of CO2 into it. That has to and is having an effect.

 

[westwall]

We were exiting the Little Ice Age at the start of the industrial revolution.. SO your claiming that all of the warming is man made when it is easily shown to be natural variation?

The only "coincidence" is the fact we have just left an active solar phase (which created the increased heat) and our warming is coming to an end..

What little ice age are you talking about. There have been at least a few in historical times. And for those that did happen, could something like the eruption of Krakatoa have anything to do with it?

He's referring to the one that came to an end in 1850. All of the warming we have experienced since then is taking us back UP to where we used to be.

It doesn't matter. He and you are still full of crap. Why not tell me more about how the earth used to be a lot hotter a billion years ago.

History and science back us up. Not you. You can call us all the names you wish but the reality is there IS no scientific support for the AGW theory. That is a fact. Your silly name calling isn't.

Like it or not, your "science" is fools science. I have heard it said that if you took an average size globe and put a coat of varnish on it, the thickness of the varnish would be a pretty good approximation of thickness of the earth's atmosphere. And each year, humans are responsible for releasing 26.8 billion tons of CO2 into it. That has to and is having an effect.

Wrong. I suggest you look up the term "pseudo science" And look up the term "non falsifiable". Both of those terms fit AGW "theory" to a T. But that's real science and real science scares you religious nutters.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You didn't really just say that...

Man makes the climate change. Interesting.
How did our 200K year old species do it 3 billion years ago?

Man made global warming started to show up at the beginning of the industrial revolution. Coincidence?

Look for yourself.

Ohh lookie, Jack Chic tracts from your doomsday cult.

Wow, I'm gunna join now...

 

[coolhardy]

I live in a town with a river running through it. For all my life, it has frozen over in the winter. In fact, one time when I was a kid, there were icebergs that pushed into the shore of Saginaw bay. These pushed up slabs of ice about three feet thick on to the shore. Destroying some shore front homes. This year, for one day, there was ice on the river thick enough for at least one foolhardy ice fisherman to brave ice fishing. The river has been largely ice free ever sense. Being mid January, there should be ice fishermen around on the river. But it is mostly just open water. Anybody who says man made global warming isn't real can blow it out their ass.

Anyone stupid enough to think that that story proves man-made climate change, is well, stupid enough to believe in it.

I doubt if at any time sense the last ice age the river had failed to freeze over for at least a couple weeks. At LEAST.

And you would be wrong. Which river are you talking about and I will show you.

The Saginaw river. And it has frozen over every year that I can remember. Sometimes at least for a couple months. Maybe longer. Maybe you would like to look up the icebergs that pushed up against the shore of Saginaw bay. I think it was back in the mid to late 60's.