The Republican ignorance on abortion

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

 

[Rigby5]

Where is the ignorance, exactly? Pregnant chick goes to the clinic. Doctor inserts forceps. The baby is dead. You can shroud the thing in women's rights and healthcare privacy all you want. But we all know what happens in those clinics. A growing human being - a living organism - is killed.

A fetus is no more a "living organism" than your appendix.
It is not yet conscious or sentient.
And clearly we do NOT really care about life at all, or we would not have deliberately murdered a half a million innocent Iraqis with "Shock and Awe".

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

WOMEN'S RIGHT TO KNOW
Abortion Risks
The risk of complications for the woman increases with advancing gestational age.
Below are descriptions of the risks that have been associated with abortion.

• Pelvic Infection: Bacteria (germs) from the vagina or cervix may enter the uterus and cause an infection. Antibiotics may clear up such an infection. In rare cases, a repeat suction, hospitalization or surgery may be needed. Infection rates are less than 1 percent for suction curettage, 1.5 percent for D&E and 5 percent for labor induction.
• Incomplete abortion: Fetal parts or other products of pregnancy may not be completely emptied from the uterus, requiring further medical procedures. Incomplete abortion may result in infection and bleeding. The reported rate of such complications is less than 1 percent after a D&E; whereas, following a labor induction procedure, the rate may be as high as 36 percent.
• Blood clots in the uterus: Blood clots that cause severe cramping occur in about 1 percent of all abortions. The clots usually are removed by a repeat suction curettage.
• Heavy bleeding: Some amount of bleeding is common following an abortion. Heavy bleeding (hemorrhaging) is not common and may be treated by repeat suction, medication or, rarely, surgery. Ask the doctor to explain heavy bleeding and what to do if it occurs.
• Cut or torn cervix: The opening of the uterus may be torn while it is being stretched open to allow medical instruments to pass through and into the uterus. This happens in less than 1 percent of first trimester abortions.
• Perforation of the uterus wall: A medical instrument may go through the wall of the uterus. The reported rate is one out of every 500 abortions. Depending on the severity, perforation can lead to infection, heavy bleeding or both. Surgery may be required to repair the uterine tissue, and in the most severe cases a hysterectomy may be required.
• Anesthesia-related complications: As with other surgical procedures, anesthesia increases the risk of complications associated with abortion. The reported risks of anesthesia-related complications is around one per 5,000 abortions.
• Rh Immune Globulin Therapy: Genetic material found on the surface of red blood cells is known as the Rh Factor. If a woman and her fetus have different Rh factors, she must receive medication to prevent the development of antibodies that would endanger future pregnancies.

Long-Term Medical Risks of Abortions
Early abortions that are not complicated by infection do not cause infertility, nor do they make it more difficult to carry a later pregnancy to term. Complications associated with an abortion or having multiple abortions may make it difficult to have children.
Women who have had a first full-term pregnancy at an early age have reduced risks of breast, ovarian and endometrial cancer. Furthermore, the risks of these cancers decline with each additional full-term pregnancy. Pregnancies that are terminated afford no protection; thus, a woman who chooses abortion over continuing her pregnancy would lose the protective benefit. ?If you have a family history of breast cancer or clinical findings of breast disease, you should seek medical advice from your physician before deciding whether to remain pregnant or have an abortion. It is always important to tell your doctor about your complete pregnancy history.
Emotional Side of an Abortion
You should know that women experience different emotions after an abortion. Some women may feel guilty, sad or empty, while others may feel relief that the procedure is over. Some women have reported serious psychological effects after their abortion, including depression, grief, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, regret, attachment, flashbacks and substance abuse. These emotions may appear immediately after an abortion or gradually over a longer period of time. These feelings may recur or be felt stronger at the time of another abortion, or a normal birth, or on the anniversary of the abortion. Counseling or support before and after your abortion is very important. If family help and support are not available to you, it may be harder for you to deal with the feelings that appear after an abortion. Talking with a professional counselor before having an abortion can help a woman better understand her decision and the feelings she may experience after the procedure. If counseling is not available to the woman, these feelings may be more difficult to handle. Many pregnancy-resource centers offer pre- and post-abortion counseling services; these centers are listed in the resource directory.


Abortion Risks | La Dept. of Health

You forgot to mention....

Dead child

 

[MagicMike]

100% accurate if you had a clue where "humans" come from and how they're formed. 100% false if you're 100% ignorant.

Try "a collection of unwanted cells" instead of "humans" or "babies" and then you'll sound more like you know what you are talking about.
And keep in mind that this cluster of unwanted cells is in the woman's body...therefore it belongs to her.
Like a tumor, or appendix, or tonsils.
Sure, all these cells (technically) are "alive," "living."
It is her choice if she wants to remove them.

 

[MagicMike]

You forgot to mention....

Dead child

Wow!
Now we've moved from "baby" to "child" in this irrational, melodramatic, emotional argument huh?
Try "organism."
That is more accurate.

 

[progressive hunter]

They are fetuses, not babies.

The mother is more important than the fetus.

The mother and her doctor are the one to decide.

Read your Bishop's Handbook.

fetus means offspring which is another way of saying my baby,,

in case you didnt know,,,

 

[Rigby5]

Said no person EVER who did not intend to KILL that baby.

Only a 100 years ago, the average was 6 children per family at least.
That would eventually cause the total extinction of all life on the planet.

Malthus predicted massive starvation in 1798.
{...
In his seminal book An Essay on the Principle of Population, first published in 1798, Thomas Robert Malthus predicted a grim future based on his theory, which is popularly referred to as the Malthusian Catastrophe. A Malthusian catastrophe is a prediction that a growing population will soon outpace the planet’s agricultural production capacity. In other words, at some point in the near future, there will be far too many people and too limited a food supply, leading to great unrest and massive death.
,,,}

Malthus was not wrong, but we delayed his prediction, only by the massive use of fossil fuel.
Which will run out in about 50 years.
And food production will then drop by about 75%.
So the population will then also have to drop by 75%.

You do not get to say that no one dies.
Your only choice is whether adults die slowly and painfully from starvation and war, or that we terminate fetuses.
Those are the only 2 possible choices.

 

[Rigby5]

fetus means offspring which is another way of saying my baby,,

in case you didnt know,,,

Wrong.
Your contribution of an offspring is just sperm.
A fetus is not yours, nor is a born baby your either.

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong.
Your contribution of an offspring is just sperm.
A fetus is not yours, nor is a born baby your either.

sorry its late and I am all full up on stupid for the day,,,

try a dictionary,,,

 

[Unkotare]

Try "a collection of unwanted cells"....

That's all YOU are.

 

[Rumpole]

The only ignorance is based on the left. Roe v. Wade was bad law based on a "right to privacy" that does not exist in the Constitution.

Originally the founders did not want a bill of rights in the Constitution precisely because they knew there would be those who would say 'if it's not in the constitution, it's not a right'. The bill of rights was never installed in the constitution to assert that there are only 10 rights. It was the reason for the 9th amendment, and the right to privacy is a 'penumbra' right.

Although the right to privacy is not explicitly stated in the United States Constitution, it has been inferred from several amendments. The landmark case that brought this into the limelight was Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965). In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a state's ban on the use of contraceptives violated the right to marital privacy.

The majority opinion, written by Justice William O. Douglas, articulated that the specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have "penumbras," created by "emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance." He argued that the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments create a new constitutional right, the right to privacy in marital relations.

This "right to privacy" inferred from multiple amendments is a legal principle called "Substantive Due Process," which argues that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment not only requires procedural fairness but also protects certain fundamental rights from governmental interference. This principle has been applied in numerous cases, like Roe v. Wade and Lawrence v. Texas, further solidifying the concept of a right to privacy in U.S. law.

The Griswold case is pivotal as it set the precedent for the constitutional right to privacy and has had significant implications on many other landmark decisions, shaping civil liberties in America.

It justified the murder of full term babies by turning them upside down in the birth canal and they weren't technically born as long as a couple of inches of their heads were still inside the mother. The monsters cut a hole in the back of a squirming child's head and stick a tube in to suck their brains out and their little skulls collapse. Republicans tried several times to outlaw partial birth abortion but the democrats resisted any attempt at some sort of compromise. The truth of the matter is that young women are probably relieved that they can no longer be forced by an abusive husband or boyfriend into ending the unborn life inside them and they won't endure nightmares and symptoms similar to PTSD for the rest of their lives.

Late-term abortions, or procedures performed after about 21 weeks of gestation, are rare and often occur under complex circumstances, such as when the life of the mother is at risk or when severe fetal abnormalities are detected. According to the CDC, abortions after 21 weeks make up less than 1.3% of all abortions in the United States.

 

[progressive hunter]

Originally the founders did not want a bill of rights in the Constitution precisely because they knew there would be those who would say 'if it's not in the constitution, it's not a right'. The bill of rights was never installed in the constitution to assert that there are only 10 rights. It was the reason for the 9th amendment, and the right to privacy is a 'penumbra' right.

Although the right to privacy is not explicitly stated in the United States Constitution, it has been inferred from several amendments. The landmark case that brought this into the limelight was Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965). In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a state's ban on the use of contraceptives violated the right to marital privacy.

The majority opinion, written by Justice William O. Douglas, articulated that the specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have "penumbras," created by "emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance." He argued that the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments create a new constitutional right, the right to privacy in marital relations.

This "right to privacy" inferred from multiple amendments is a legal principle called "Substantive Due Process," which argues that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment not only requires procedural fairness but also protects certain fundamental rights from governmental interference. This principle has been applied in numerous cases, like Roe v. Wade and Lawrence v. Texas, further solidifying the concept of a right to privacy in U.S. law.

The Griswold case is pivotal as it set the precedent for the constitutional right to privacy and has had significant implications on many other landmark decisions, shaping civil liberties in America.

Late-term abortions, or procedures performed after about 21 weeks of gestation, are rare and often occur under complex circumstances, such as when the life of the mother is at risk or when severe fetal abnormalities are detected. According to the CDC, abortions after 21 weeks make up less than 1.3% of all abortions in the United States.

right to privacy doesnt apply when you want to kill another person,,, EVER,,

 

[BrokeLoser]

Then you should try to keep your flaky, emotional language out of the discussion.

"murder babies," for instance.

Innacurate terminology.

They are fetuses, not babies.

The mother is more important than the fetus.

The mother and her doctor are the one to decide.

Read your Bishop's Handbook.

hahaha….leftarded fools…always hiding behing hair splitting semantics to justify their filth.

 

[BrokeLoser]

A fetus is no more a "living organism" than your appendix.
It is not yet conscious or sentient.
And clearly we do NOT really care about life at all, or we would not have deliberately murdered a half a million innocent Iraqis with "Shock and Awe".

Why do you tree-hugging weirdos protect an Eagles egg the way you do?

MagicMike
John Edgar Slow Horses

 

[Bob Blaylock]

WOMEN'S RIGHT TO KNOW
Abortion Risks
The risk of complications for the woman increases with advancing gestational age.
Below are descriptions of the risks that have been associated with abortion.

• Pelvic Infection: Bacteria (germs) from the vagina or cervix may enter the uterus and cause an infection. Antibiotics may clear up such an infection. In rare cases, a repeat suction, hospitalization or surgery may be needed. Infection rates are less than 1 percent for suction curettage, 1.5 percent for D&E and 5 percent for labor induction.
• Incomplete abortion: Fetal parts or other products of pregnancy may not be completely emptied from the uterus, requiring further medical procedures. Incomplete abortion may result in infection and bleeding. The reported rate of such complications is less than 1 percent after a D&E; whereas, following a labor induction procedure, the rate may be as high as 36 percent.
• Blood clots in the uterus: Blood clots that cause severe cramping occur in about 1 percent of all abortions. The clots usually are removed by a repeat suction curettage.
• Heavy bleeding: Some amount of bleeding is common following an abortion. Heavy bleeding (hemorrhaging) is not common and may be treated by repeat suction, medication or, rarely, surgery. Ask the doctor to explain heavy bleeding and what to do if it occurs.
• Cut or torn cervix: The opening of the uterus may be torn while it is being stretched open to allow medical instruments to pass through and into the uterus. This happens in less than 1 percent of first trimester abortions.
• Perforation of the uterus wall: A medical instrument may go through the wall of the uterus. The reported rate is one out of every 500 abortions. Depending on the severity, perforation can lead to infection, heavy bleeding or both. Surgery may be required to repair the uterine tissue, and in the most severe cases a hysterectomy may be required.
• Anesthesia-related complications: As with other surgical procedures, anesthesia increases the risk of complications associated with abortion. The reported risks of anesthesia-related complications is around one per 5,000 abortions.
• Rh Immune Globulin Therapy: Genetic material found on the surface of red blood cells is known as the Rh Factor. If a woman and her fetus have different Rh factors, she must receive medication to prevent the development of antibodies that would endanger future pregnancies.

Long-Term Medical Risks of Abortions
Early abortions that are not complicated by infection do not cause infertility, nor do they make it more difficult to carry a later pregnancy to term. Complications associated with an abortion or having multiple abortions may make it difficult to have children.
Women who have had a first full-term pregnancy at an early age have reduced risks of breast, ovarian and endometrial cancer. Furthermore, the risks of these cancers decline with each additional full-term pregnancy. Pregnancies that are terminated afford no protection; thus, a woman who chooses abortion over continuing her pregnancy would lose the protective benefit. ?If you have a family history of breast cancer or clinical findings of breast disease, you should seek medical advice from your physician before deciding whether to remain pregnant or have an abortion. It is always important to tell your doctor about your complete pregnancy history.
Emotional Side of an Abortion
You should know that women experience different emotions after an abortion. Some women may feel guilty, sad or empty, while others may feel relief that the procedure is over. Some women have reported serious psychological effects after their abortion, including depression, grief, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, regret, attachment, flashbacks and substance abuse. These emotions may appear immediately after an abortion or gradually over a longer period of time. These feelings may recur or be felt stronger at the time of another abortion, or a normal birth, or on the anniversary of the abortion. Counseling or support before and after your abortion is very important. If family help and support are not available to you, it may be harder for you to deal with the feelings that appear after an abortion. Talking with a professional counselor before having an abortion can help a woman better understand her decision and the feelings she may experience after the procedure. If counseling is not available to the woman, these feelings may be more difficult to handle. Many pregnancy-resource centers offer pre- and post-abortion counseling services; these centers are listed in the resource directory.


Abortion Risks | La Dept. of Health

Those, of course, are the risks to the mother.

The risk to the child is much greater, and more immediate.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Then you should try to keep your flaky, emotional language out of the discussion.
"murder babies," for instance.
Innacurate [sic] terminology.

It's the plain truth. That is exactly what abortion does—it murders an innocent child.

To detach the the emotional impact of a horrific crime from the crime itself is sociopathic.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A fetus is no more a "living organism" than your appendix.

That is a lie, plain and simple.

An unborn human being absolutely meets any recognized biological definition of a living organism.

 

[ActionJackson]

They are fetuses, not babies.

The mother is more important than the fetus.

The mother and her doctor are the one to decide.

Read your Bishop's Handbook.

You use the term: “Mother.”

Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1: a female parent
She's the mother of three small children.


Dictionary.com

1. a female parent.
   
   
   So, have you ever heard of someone being the “parent” of three wonderful fetuses?
   

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Only a 100 years ago, the average was 6 children per family at least.
That would eventually cause the total extinction of all life on the planet.

Did you even try to think before you wrote that bit of insane bullshit? Total extinction of all life on the planet, because there is too much life? When Orwell thought up the concept of Doublethink, I don't think he even could have imagined it taken to the extreme that you have just now demonstrated.

Malthus predicted massive starvation in 1798.
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Malthus was not wrong, but we delayed his prediction, only by the massive use of fossil fuel.

And yet, here we are, more than two centuries later, thriving in a manner that nobody in 1798 could ever have imagined.

It seems that he was, in fact, very wrong, as have been everyone else throughout history who have made similar predictions.

 

[ActionJackson]

Try "a collection of unwanted cells" instead of "humans" or "babies" and then you'll sound more like you know what you are talking about.
And keep in mind that this cluster of unwanted cells is in the woman's body...therefore it belongs to her.
Like a tumor, or appendix, or tonsils.
Sure, all these cells (technically) are "alive," "living."
It is her choice if she wants to remove them.

Just because you've just proven yourself to be a clump of unwanted cells doesn't mean you aren't human. Try again, but do better next time.